Calgary International Airport II

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by YegFan

But SLC will be a single flight. So the SEA increase will cost a frequency to SLC it seems.

Summer 2015 scheds still showing 2 daily (well 13 weekly) YYC-SLC. Yes, there are reductions throughout winter and spring which is normal but summer is back to 2 daily.

Originally Posted by Cage

Indian aviation is a financial hot mess, has been for a while. UA is sticking it out for the long run, but DL is pulled the para shoot. IIRC AA withdrew from the market a while ago.

Probably fair to assume AC 789 service on YYZ-DEL/BOM will never happen?

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Acey

Probably fair to assume AC 789 service on YYZ-DEL/BOM will never happen?

There is still potential for 788 service YYZ-DEL. AC operated with codeshare on AI. However you are correct in that potential is rapidly diminishing on the list of priorities. There is huge potential through the AC/CA joint venture, YYC/YUL-PEK is two aircraft commitment, split the routes into daily each that's four aircraft, add in YVR to secondary china market and it's 5 aircraft operation, or third of the 788 fleet.

Another knock against DEL is the joint venture with LH. I know that a key feature of the AC/UA/LH TransAt JV is beyond revenues but I don't know if one of the countries included in the JV is India. The beyond revenue feature would allow AC to benefit from funnelling pax through FRA and MUC to India with LH.

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by Cage

Indian aviation is a financial hot mess, has been for a while. UA is sticking it out for the long run, but DL is pulled the para shoot. IIRC AA withdrew from the market a while ago.

Soon the ME3 will be the national airlines in India.

I can see KLM cutting the DEL flight, but also this will not have much of an effect on Alberta flights. KLM has much more African connection traffic than Indian connection traffic. Overall a minor hit for AC LHR /FRA and KLM AMS, however moderate hit to BA LHR based on my observation of their YYC checkin desk, appears to be a good number of vacation bound infrequent travellers going to India.

The KLM flight is also quite popular with DEL connections (not just YYC, but other NA destinations), have taken it a few times personally from YYC. It is better timed than BA too.

I would be surprised to see KLM cut DEL completely. IIRC they even operate the 744 during winter months.

[yyc_engineer]

Originally Posted by Acey

Probably fair to assume AC 789 service on YYZ-DEL/BOM will never happen?

Never say never. As growth continues out west there will be increasing interest in providing one-stop service to India from places like YXE, YQR, YWG, etc. This can realistically only be done through YYZ (or MSP, but that is even more unlikely). If AC is able to get 20 or so ppd from these three cities, add in YYC, YEG & YUL feed (YVR may be a stretch), plus a few bodies from connecting transborder routes and finally O&D demand from the GTA, YYZ-DEL may just start making sense.

[yyc_engineer]

Some updates from the IFP.

Granite installation making good progress in the International Holdroom. I don't think we'll ever see the floor this clean again.


The first air bridge is on site and being installed. The IFP has a different set-up than the current ATB in that each gate position leads to a glass walkway, called a "fixed link". The fixed link connects to two different air bridges. This allow simultaneous loading of up to two different aircraft, or loading of one and unloading of the other. Essentially, each gate is able serve two flights at once.


Expansive Transboder Holdroom. Looks empty now but is gonna look great with the new Retail, Eating/Drinking Establishments and Holdroom Seating. Can't say much - but it's gonna be awesome!


Look down the Transborder Pier. Very wide & open space. Offers some good views of 17L / 35R.

[simster3]

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

The first air bridge is on site and being installed. The IFP has a different set-up than the current ATB in that each gate position leads to a glass walkway, called a "fixed link". The fixed link connects to two different air bridges. This allow simultaneous loading of up to two different aircraft, or loading of one and unloading of the other. Essentially, each gate is able serve two flights at once.

Toulouse-Blagnac has these in their new terminal. Their's has 3 connections to the terminal to direct passengers to customs/baggage.

http://www.anna.aero/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/toulouse-airport-aerial.jpg

Not sure the images works. Here is the source site http://www.anna.aero/2010/01/29/will-toulouses-new-hall-d-attract-more-foreign-airlines/

I love flying here to see the A380s! And my wife's family

Here ya go.

[holhm22]

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

Some updates from the IFP.

Granite installation making good progress in the International Holdroom. I don't think we'll ever see the floor this clean again.


The first air bridge is on site and being installed. The IFP has a different set-up than the current ATB in that each gate position leads to a glass walkway, called a "fixed link". The fixed link connects to two different air bridges. This allow simultaneous loading of up to two different aircraft, or loading of one and unloading of the other. Essentially, each gate is able serve two flights at once.


Expansive Transboder Holdroom. Looks empty now but is gonna look great with the new Retail, Eating/Drinking Establishments and Holdroom Seating. Can't say much - but it's gonna be awesome!


Look down the Transborder Pier. Very wide & open space. Offers some good views of 17L / 35R.

Very nice pictures, yyc_engineer. Thanks for sharing!

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

Never say never. As growth continues out west there will be increasing interest in providing one-stop service to India from places like YXE, YQR, YWG, etc. This can realistically only be done through YYZ (or MSP, but that is even more unlikely). If AC is able to get 20 or so ppd from these three cities, add in YYC, YEG & YUL feed (YVR may be a stretch), plus a few bodies from connecting transborder routes and finally O&D demand from the GTA, YYZ-DEL may just start making sense.

Now that AI is in Star, makes even more sense, people can connect easily at DEL to places like ATQ, BOM, BLR etc.

[yyc_engineer]

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

Anyone know why the FID's are now calling it "West Kootenay" and not "Castlegar". I know the airport is called "West Kootenay Regional Airport" but isn't this confusing. aircanada.ca's booking engine calls it "Castlegar" and I think 99% of people would say "I'm flying to Castlegar tomorrow" not "I'm flying to West Kootenay Regional tomorrow."

YVR still calls it Castlegar.

http://www.wkrairport.ca/home_page

hmmm, looks like someone reads this forum

[Bigtime]

Dang it! They should have gone with Cancelgar.

Also seeing the "retarde" on the remarks has the Airbus voice going "Retard Retard" in my head now.

For reference:

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[Rusty van Reddick]

I googled it and no help- what is a "holdroom"?

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Rusty van Reddick

I googled it and no help- what is a "holdroom"?

Here is how I understand it:

Traditional terminal:

-go through security/customs
-some open area with restaurants/services
-most passengers wander to their gate and wait for the flight

New IFP terminal:

-go through security/customs
-enter into the holdroom, full of shops and services
-announcements are made on PA and screens to call passengers to the gate for their flight at a certain time (so not as much waiting space at gates proper?)

Anyone else feel free to correct me if I'm off on this.

[yyc_engineer]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Here is how I understand it:

Traditional terminal:

-go through security/customs
-some open area with restaurants/services
-most passengers wander to their gate and wait for the flight

New IFP terminal:

-go through security/customs
-enter into the holdroom, full of shops and services
-announcements are made on PA and screens to call passengers to the gate for their flight at a certain time (so not as much waiting space at gates proper?)

Anyone else feel free to correct me if I'm off on this.

Correct.

When referring to "holdrooms" in the IFP, the term essentially means a single, large, common use (that is for all airlines and pax) area where people go after check-in/security/customs and before boarding their flight. IFP will have two holdrooms, one for International (Europe, Asia & South) flights and a second for Transborder (USA) flights.

Both holdrooms have ample seating and numerous Food & Beverage and Retail establishments. When your flight is ready to board it will be "called" and pax will be directed to proceed to their gate for boarding. Hence the name, Call-to-Gate. Seating at the gates will be limited as the idea is have pax spending most of their time in the holdrooms and then essentially walking right onto the plane when it's time to board.

It's explained better here. (architects are better writers than engineers)
http://www.dialogdesign.ca/projects/calgary-international-airport/

[Johnny Aussie]

Although the slowest growth in 2014 so far, still very solid numbers.

http://www.yyc.com/en-us/media/factsfigures/passengerstatistics.aspx

Overall up 4.7% YTD up 6.9%
Domestic up 4.5% YTD up 7.1%
Transborder up 6.3% YTD up 6.8%
International up 2.1% YTD up 5.9%

Overall up over 56,000 from last October. Domestic up ~ 39,400, Transborder up ~ 15,000 and International up ~ 1,800

[CorporateWhore]

Hmm, any idea how many minutes before your boarding they announce the gates in this holding-room type scenario? If it's only slightly before boarding they start boarding, I could seeing it being a bit of a mad rush to the gate, as international flights always tend to be pretty packed and full of anxious people just aching to be first on board.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

hmmm, looks like someone reads this forum

Haha hilarious. And ya even tho our airport is called West Kootenay Regional, YVR has always called us Castlegar. And I see our flight is late but Chicago is right beside us and also late so don't feel too bad. Pretty good airport company.

[Johnny Aussie]

AA's latest sched update has both daily DFW flights operating as 319s instead of 738s so back to a more capacity match with the MD83s.

[lineman]

Originally Posted by CorporateWhore

Hmm, any idea how many minutes before your boarding they announce the gates in this holding-room type scenario? If it's only slightly before boarding they start boarding, I could seeing it being a bit of a mad rush to the gate, as international flights always tend to be pretty packed and full of anxious people just aching to be first on board.

If I recall correctly, at Heathrow T3 (which is also call to gate), you didn't know your gate number until half hour prior to boarding.