Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[jubguy3]

Ahh yes because shitty piles of rocks drilled in to the ground to prevent you from going off the trail is an inspiring and beautiful name

[Makid]

More information about the Sandy Project:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/1867489-155/sandy-unveils-plan-for-its-new

Sandy • After spending three years and $2 million in planning, officials unveiled blueprints Monday to transform 1,100 acres in the heart of Sandy into a new downtown with high-rise residential and office towers and a renovated South Towne Mall.

Plans call for new trails, transportation improvements, hotels, a bustling arts and entertainment scene and other amenities officials say will make Sandy’s city center an international base camp for recreation in the Wasatch canyons.

It is exactly the sort of new high-density development around mass transit that regional planners have been promoting to handle an expected doubling of the Wasatch Front’s population over the next 30 years.

"We have pretty much filled up as far as single-family residences are concerned," said Sandy Mayor Tom Dolan. "Density is a necessity. We can no longer spread out in sprawl. We have to go up" with high rises. "We want our citizens to live, work and play here" without the need to travel far, saving fuel, land and preventing air pollution.

The new residential project is called "The Prestige," and will include two 25-story towers, and two shorter six-story buildings. It will include 650 residential units, including apartments and condominiums at Centennial Parkway and Sego Lily Drive, just east of I-15.

2 25 story buildings now. 50 stories / more than 500' total in 2 buildings in Sandy. I just don't see the demand. If there was demand, SLC would be seeing taller buildings for residential.

[SLC Projects]

" City leaders broke ground on a multi-billion dollar downtown development project that attempts to create an urban core in this suburban community."
-fox13now.com

So today was the groundbreaking? I thought it was just a announcement. For some reason I thought I heard somebody saying that February 2015 would be the groundbreaking.
Do we even know who the developer is? Can't recall any of the news links saying anything about the name of the developer company who is behind this development.

[wrendog]

This project would look great downtown.

[Highrise_Mike]

I think just because they say they held a groundbreaking, I doubt it means construction is starting. I have seen developers hold ground breaking ceremonies before their applications are even approved. I'm not going to get too excited yet until I see some concrete being poured. Also as much as I would love to see this in downtown, I'm just glad to see that other places are starting to propose something other than single family subdivisions.

[jubguy3]

I think the point that everyone is trying to make is that 25 stories isn't necessary or attractive in sandy. They could have built them downtown, or they could have built 5 10 story buildings that worked much better with the area. This is awful planning that's, like other people were saying, a UDOT/UTA/City of Sandy circlejerk over trying to be the next greatest thing. When land is cheaper, people will go, and SLCo needs to do something to stop downtown like growth in Sandy when there are no structured plans at all. SLC has the Downtown Master Plan that really shows that developers downtown have an intent and know what they are doing - Sandy seems to be the developer reject land.

[StevenF]

My biggest issue with this is not really the fact that Sandy isn't ready for this kind of urban construction, it is that there is no contractor or developer being listed anywhere. If this is supposed to be under construction in just a couple months, then there should be a developer ready to build this. Just seems to be another thing Sandy is doing to draw attention to itself but doesn't really have any merit.

[Makid]

I did find the developer:

"It will be an attraction to millennials as well as those empty-nesters who are retiring because it will give them a chance to downsize" and have recreation, entertainment and work nearby, said Dan Simons, CEO of Simons Platt Creations, the developer.

This is from the link to the Trib article above.

[jubguy3]

its like a building for the millenials that are scared of downtown and want to stay in the suburbs but don't want the convenience of the suburbs or the space of the suburbs in an attempt at being new and edgy - if you are going to live in an apartment and you aren't under the poverty line / requiring food stamps / living in government housing (i.e. park place) / looking for a short term housing solution, just live downtown because there is no reason to live in an apartment otherwise. I can't see the appeal of seeing the RioTinto stadium, geneva rock, suburban houses, etc from my 25th floor apartment... in sandy. Do people really want to live in this? The developer needs to take a step back and realize how disconnected he is from his target buyer.

[SL,UT]

You people are insane!!!! This is great news for Sandy City. All you snobby Salt Lakers get so offended when development takes place in the burbs. Get over it. Land is cheep in suburbia and we need more density outside of the core. I'm sure people will choose to live here. It will be a great alternative to Downtown. Closer to the ski resorts and convenient access from I-15. Downtown Salt Lake real estate prices are so ridiculous, it gives me burning diarrhea to think about them. New 700 sq foot, one bedroom at $1100? Might as well rape me... As much as I'd like to live downtown, I'd take my $750 per month, 1000 sq foot, 2 bedroom in Ft Union any day..... I can deal with the soccer Mom's and the strip malls. I can't deal with Salt Lake snobbery that has revealed itself over the past few years......

[Makid]

Originally Posted by SL,UT

You people are insane!!!! This is great news for Sandy City. All you snobby Salt Lakers get so offended when development takes place in the burbs. Get over it. Land is cheep in suburbia and we need more density outside of the core. I'm sure people will choose to live here. It will be a great alternative to Downtown. Closer to the ski resorts and convenient access from I-15. Downtown Salt Lake real estate prices are so ridiculous, it gives me burning diarrhea to think about them. New 700 sq foot, one bedroom at $1100? Might as well rape me... As much as I'd like to live downtown, I'd take my $750 per month, 1000 sq foot, 2 bedroom in Ft Union any day..... I can deal with the soccer Mom's and the strip malls. I can't deal with Salt Lake snobbery that has revealed itself over the past few years......

At least with me, this isn't a SLC versus the suburbs. This is an infrastructure thing. Basically, that area of Sandy is already congested. They are planning to add another 1000 cars just in the development on top of the development to the east across State Street as well as additional planned developments on adjacent properties.

The infrastructure is nearly at capacity currently during rush hours. Sandy is hoping an additional off-ramp (not on ramp, just an exit) there will help. This may help 9000th and 106th but it will increase the traffic congestion at 102nd where this development is going in.

Now, I am for expanded density throughout the valley as it is what is needed and will help the valley grow while also helping to reduce the impact to the air quality.

But for them to say that this project is Transit Oriented when there is very minimal bus service now and no real plans to increase service in the next 10 or so years is crazy.

Encouraging development without having the infrastructure or at least a plan for the infrastructure is also crazy.

I would really like this development to be a success. The main reason for this is that if it is a success for highrise apartments in the suburbs away from transit, highrise apartments in downtown would be as much or larger success as the infrastructure is already in place.

So, instead of thinking this is a SLC versus the suburbs, let's reclassify this as placing high density developments in locations that have the infrastructure or at least a short range infrastructure improvement plan (with possible funding in place) to support them.

This is why many of us are saying WVC is going about it the right way, working on density and infrastructure at the same time as they urbanize.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by Makid

At least with me, this isn't a SLC versus the suburbs. This is an infrastructure thing. Basically, that area of Sandy is already congested. They are planning to add another 1000 cars just in the development on top of the development to the east across State Street as well as additional planned developments on adjacent properties.

The infrastructure is nearly at capacity currently during rush hours. Sandy is hoping an additional off-ramp (not on ramp, just an exit) there will help. This may help 9000th and 106th but it will increase the traffic congestion at 102nd where this development is going in.

Now, I am for expanded density throughout the valley as it is what is needed and will help the valley grow while also helping to reduce the impact to the air quality.

But for them to say that this project is Transit Oriented when there is very minimal bus service now and no real plans to increase service in the next 10 or so years is crazy.

Encouraging development without having the infrastructure or at least a plan for the infrastructure is also crazy.

I would really like this development to be a success. The main reason for this is that if it is a success for highrise apartments in the suburbs away from transit, highrise apartments in downtown would be as much or larger success as the infrastructure is already in place.

So, instead of thinking this is a SLC versus the suburbs, let's reclassify this as placing high density developments in locations that have the infrastructure or at least a short range infrastructure improvement plan (with possible funding in place) to support them.

This is why many of us are saying WVC is going about it the right way, working on density and infrastructure at the same time as they urbanize.

As you already said, the off-ramp/exit will help out a bit. But don't forget about the new road that will run behind this development.....

From the trib.com
"The city used a 7-foot cairn in a ceremony Monday. A mountain climbing rope attached to it was used as the "ribbon" in a ribbon-cutting to launch both a new high-rise project and a planned new road"

Running a new road north and south will help with future traffic. In fact, I believe it's this new road is where the new ramp will run to.

Looking at all the old proposals on that same site over the years, and I think this one has the best chance of coming true. I always thought that area needed some housing. Still think 25-stories is more of a pipe dream, but maybe having something more around 6-10 stories is more realistic. I won't be surprise at all if those towers end up losing 19 floors and we end up with a row of six story buildings.

[Orlando]

I think this is similar to their previous proposal with 30+ story towers, etc. It was called Proscenium, if I remember correctly. I think these guys like to generate excitement without really having substantial financial basis to build that tall. I don't believe that these towers will be built to that height. I bet that they will be lucky to get them built to even half the height of the proposal. I do think that it's great that Sandy and these developers are trying to add density here. I just think this is just premature. When I checked on them previously, they've never done anything like this. So, I just think it's a lot of hype.

[Orlando]

This needs to be posted:


http://www.sltrib.com/news/1867489-155/sandy-unveils-plan-for-its-new

Okay, it looks like it's not a file that can be posted. Maybe someone else can find a workaround.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by Orlando

I think this is similar to their previous proposal with 30+ story towers, etc. It was called Proscenium, if I remember correctly. I think these guys like to generate excitement without really having substantial financial basis to build that tall. I don't believe that these towers will be built to that height. I bet that they will be lucky to get them built to even half the height of the proposal. I do think that it's great that Sandy and these developers are trying to add density here. I just think this is just premature. When I checked on them previously, they've never done anything like this. So, I just think it's a lot of hype.

This is nothing like the Proscenium proposal.
"The Proscenium"


VS

"The Prestige"


The Proscenium as a group of three mix use 35-40 story towers, plus a 12 story hotel, plus a 2,500 seat Broadway theater, plus a outdoor retail area.
The Prestige, is simply just housing. Yes, 25 stories is a bit much, however I think this proposal is by far more realistic then the first.

[bflatflat9]

Originally Posted by Orlando

I think this is similar to their previous proposal with 30+ story towers, etc. It was called Proscenium, if I remember correctly. I think these guys like to generate excitement without really having substantial financial basis to build that tall. I don't believe that these towers will be built to that height. I bet that they will be lucky to get them built to even half the height of the proposal. I do think that it's great that Sandy and these developers are trying to add density here. I just think this is just premature. When I checked on them previously, they've never done anything like this. So, I just think it's a lot of hype.

This is hype for pretty sure....Dolan style. I mean the entire Cairns project is a mega-decade, mega-area undertaking, and I'm sure SOMETHING will come of it, sooner or later.
I wouldn't be surprised if they build one of their proposed high-rise residences fairly soon, but the rest, I'm not sure of the demand at this point.
Give Tommy his due---he's ambitious and has lots of friends in the right places, one being the legislature....you know....and their ilk.
I personally think it's a cool overall idea, and hope they do well.
A southern skyline would look cool in the valley.
Although I prefer downtown SLC to win out in recruiting, or building the big stuff, most large metros have one or more smaller skylines built outside the central downtown.
Sometimes its a true, older town just growing up, or an upstart burb with T.Dolan type mayors and business folk making it happen.
It's almost like the soccer coup they pulled.
"Ski City" is being commandeered by Sandy. You can't really blame them.
They're stepping to an opportunity that presents itself, and they do have the proximity to the canyons.
Wonder if Becker has any plans to compete, or just wants to make SLC the bicycle capitol of, well, somewhere.
I can hear it now..."come to our NEW city..." "No,, come to OUR REAL city..",
"Ours is cooler",, "Ours is ....

[Stenar]

The '60s called. They want their public housing back.

Originally Posted by jedikermit

Here's a rendering...

[jubguy3]

Praise glorious stalin and beautiful house we own in great soviet land!

[Stenar]

It reminds me of this type of public housing:


Source: Flickr

[ToysNoiz]

I fear that visitors/tourists driving from Utah county into Salt Lake county will mistake Sandy for SLC.