YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[excel]

Airlines that operate 777s at some point in the year at YVR just off the top of my head for fun.

Air Canada
Air China
Eva Air
Philippine Airlines
Air New Zealand
Cathay Pacific
Korean Air


Missing or incorrect on any?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by excel

Airlines that operate 777s at some point in the year at YVR just off the top of my head for fun.

Air Canada
Air China
Eva Air
Philippine Airlines
Air New Zealand
Cathay Pacific
Korean Air


Missing or incorrect on any?

And soon to be Air France too!!

[craneSpotter]

^ JA - Do you know how the AC flight to Mexico City is doing? Don't hear much about it.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

^ JA - Do you know how the AC flight to Mexico City is doing? Don't hear much about it.

Same. Don't hear much about it. I think it's doing OK. It seems to be maintaining year-round daily with no seasonal reductions as it had in the past. YVR-MEX is like the quiet kid in the corner... eats his veggies, does his homework, doesn't cause any trouble and just carries on.

[excel]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

And soon to be Air France too!!

Oh yeah. Not sure how I forgot that!

[Johnny Aussie]

I did this for Europe a few weeks ago.

So based on current scheds, the following are the weekly flights to Asia next summer:

HKG 21
PVG 21
PEK 18
ICN 14
NRT 14
TPE 11
MNL 11
HND 7
CAN 7
KIX 5
SHE/CTU 3
TTL 132

And to the South Pacific (we'll wait and see what Qantas does!):

SYD 7
AKL 5

[deasine]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

^ JA - Do you know how the AC flight to Mexico City is doing? Don't hear much about it.

JL had a previous fifth freedom right to MEX didn't they? Perhaps another potential airline to have a flight to South America

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by deasine

JL had a previous fifth freedom right to MEX didn't they? Perhaps another potential airline to have a flight to South America

Someone in YVR marketing / route development told me it would be Lima, if anything. At first, anyway.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I did this for Europe a few weeks ago.

So based on current scheds, the following are the weekly flights to Asia next summer:

HKG 21
PVG 21
PEK 18
ICN 14
NRT 14
TPE 11
MNL 11
HND 7
CAN 7
KIX 5
SHE/CTU 3
TTL 132

And to the South Pacific (we'll wait and see what Qantas does!):

SYD 7
AKL 5

Hey Johnny, there must be few cities in the world with this many weekly flights to Asia?? Mumbai, Sydney...

[Gordon]

Is there now a 4th encore gate (A12) because WestJet still uses Gate B12

normally there would bot be a flex gate between a mainline carrier & a commuter carrier(turbo prop).

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Hey Johnny, there must be few cities in the world with this many weekly flights to Asia?? Mumbai, Sydney...

MEL has about 160 flights per week to just SE Asia alone.

[Hourglass]

Follow-up to earlier comment re SEA numbers -- looks like Delta is still planning further growth there:

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11...e-seattle-gates-in-alaska-challenge.html

Don't know whether this is domestic growth as DL continues to encroach on Alaska Airlines or if further international growth is planned (and for that matter -- where? Maybe more tier-2 cities in China?). Either way, this would be a pretty significant-sized hub.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Follow-up to earlier comment re SEA numbers -- looks like Delta is still planning further growth there:

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11...e-seattle-gates-in-alaska-challenge.html

Don't know whether this is domestic growth as DL continues to encroach on Alaska Airlines or if further international growth is planned (and for that matter -- where? Maybe more tier-2 cities in China?). Either way, this would be a pretty significant-sized hub.

OK. Now. Perhaps people will start realizing that Seattle can and will be a direct competitor "de grand ampleur" for Asian traffic,
and try going after the same if not greater market share as YVR.
This current complacency that Sea-Tac is wobbly and poses no threat to YVR as King of the Asian Market may soon dissolve into what it is: wishful thinking.
YVR needs to get that TWOV facility going: FAST!! Whether that's wishful thinking as well or not, it is essential that we set it all up before Seattle does. {IMO}

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Follow-up to earlier comment re SEA numbers -- looks like Delta is still planning further growth there:

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11...e-seattle-gates-in-alaska-challenge.html

Don't know whether this is domestic growth as DL continues to encroach on Alaska Airlines or if further international growth is planned (and for that matter -- where? Maybe more tier-2 cities in China?). Either way, this would be a pretty significant-sized hub.

They sure are giving it a go! This would be for both domestic and international I am sure.

I am still really surprised that SEA is showing negative growth to Asia despite all the new capacity. Whereas YVR is clearly absorbing most of its new capacity to Asia and in fact in June and July demand outstripped the new supply. And Air Canada still boosting further with their capacity increases on every route to Asia and new flights to KIX. AC is positioning itself very well in YVR with both the Dreamliners and rouge perfectly moulded to YVR's market. I think AC and YVR are definitely well positioned and up to the challenge of any threats around it. YVR is definitely NOT being complacent and it's good to see YVR and AC taking these challenges seriously. Also Air China showing YVR confidence as well with its latest upgauge. And there should still be more to come :-)

Delta is going to have to try very hard to fill some of those new flights out of SEA... based on the stats produced by SEA TAC many of those new Asian flights would be running far from full. This can and should be expected in slower months, but not in the peak months of June - August.

[teriyaki]

Delta definitely has excess capacity on its transpac routes, as evidenced by the published stats and my own experiences.

Had my last 3 transpac trips route through Seattle on delta, PEK, HKG and Pvg. None of them were even 70 percent in economy.

One of the biggest turn offs for me is the international arrival customs area in Seattle. It's like a throw back to the 80's in there. I know there are plans to upgrade it, but that is many years away. YVR's facilities are a far better experience, but they win on price (at the moment).

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

MEL has about 160 flights per week to just SE Asia alone.

Ya figured at least one of the Australian cities had more Asian flights. Does Mel have more international flights than Syd?

[trofirhen]

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance3/syd-to-lax-jfk/

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance3/syd-to-yvr-jfk/

www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/syd-to-jfk/

The nonstop Sydney - JFK seems too long range for any current aircraft.

The trip via YVR-JFK is 400 miles longer than via LAX.

Does this extra distance preclude a possible run from YVR or not?

Philippine airlines makes Vancouver work for JFK.

And for interest, to Chicago, via YVR and via LAX:

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance3/syd-to-yvr-ord/

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance3/syd-to-lax-ord/

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/syd-to-ord/

Could QF do the same? (again, about 400+ miles more via YVR)

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Ya figured at least one of the Australian cities had more Asian flights. Does Mel have more international flights than Syd?

SYD is far ahead of MEL in terms of both international flights and international passengers. However, MEL's international passenger count continues to grow at a faster rate than SYD.

[Johnny Aussie]

From twitter.... “@airlineroute: Canadian Transportation Agency on 14NOV14 approved planned Philippine Airlines - WestJet Codeshare service, due to start on 01JAN15”

Link to CTA ruling ----> https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/413-a-2014-0

Westjet jumps in with yet another Asia Pacific carrier out of YVR.

So you can add Phillippine Airlines to the growing list of: Cathay Pacific, China Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, JAL, Korean Air and Qantas.

So now Westjet helps feed all non Star Alliance Asia Pacific carriers except Sichuan. On top of that British, KLM and the soon to fly ex YVR Air France. Almost like a pseudo mini hub operation.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

From twitter.... “@airlineroute: Canadian Transportation Agency on 14NOV14 approved planned Philippine Airlines - WestJet Codeshare service, due to start on 01JAN15”

Link to CTA ruling ----> https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/413-a-2014-0

Westjet jumps in with yet another Asia Pacific carrier out of YVR.

So you can add Phillippine Airlines to the growing list of: Cathay Pacific, China Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, JAL, Korean Air and Qantas.

So now Westjet helps feed all non Star Alliance Asia Pacific carriers except Sichuan. On top of that British, KLM and the soon to fly ex YVR Air France. Almost like a pseudo mini hub operation.

Any thoughts what the impact wil be on the Philippines airline service between Vancouver and Toronto where they do not have rights to local traffic?