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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 1:42 PM
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With this approach to development, 'revitalizing' Camden is going to bankrupt New Jersey. There are incentives (part of the world in which we live0 and then there's...what they are doing.
Some of these deals arguably make sense. Camden is desperate and NJ is paying not just for jobs but for development, which gives the city a better shot at turning it around.

Not sure about the Lockheed deal, though. There is conflicting information as to whether they are moving all 3500 or so workers from Moorestown or just 250. Most sites seem to agree on 250, which is insane.

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With this approach to development, 'revitalizing' Camden is going to bankrupt New Jersey. There are incentives (part of the world in which we live0 and then there's...what they are doing.
Good point, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like Camden is just poaching jobs from other parts of NJ with state tax $$$. Shouldn't they try attracting companies that are from outside the region?
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 4:28 PM
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Good point, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like Camden is just poaching jobs from other parts of NJ with state tax $$$. Shouldn't they try attracting companies that are from outside the region?
The spend and big tax breaks are designed to lure companies to Camden from outside the region. Including Philadelphia. We'll see how successful they are...
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 4:38 PM
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Some of these deals arguably make sense. Camden is desperate and NJ is paying not just for jobs but for development, which gives the city a better shot at turning it around.

Not sure about the Lockheed deal, though. There is conflicting information as to whether they are moving all 3500 or so workers from Moorestown or just 250. Most sites seem to agree on 250, which is insane.
They might feel they have no choice. It's probably the best shot for Camden development, but the costs are inordinate. I'm not sure it's worth it. But I'm not making theese decisions, of course...
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The spend and big tax breaks are designed to lure companies to Camden from outside the region. Including Philadelphia. We'll see how successful they are...
I know they are designed to do that, but all Camden seems to be getting is companies that are already in the area and probably would have built in the region anyway. Ex: Lockheed Martin, the jobs will be coming from Cherry Hill and Morristown; Holtec International, their HQ is in Burlington County; 76ers, based in Philadelphia. And Camden tried getting Dietz and Watson which is in Philadelphia.

I know on paper it might look good for the state when they can tout all these new industries in Camden, but poaching isn't really sustainable and costs a lot of tax dollars.
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Good point, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like Camden is just poaching jobs from other parts of NJ with state tax $$$. Shouldn't they try attracting companies that are from outside the region?
The absolute best long-term state-wide planning policy is to promote Camden, Trenton, AC, and Newark as the best places to live/work in the state.

The effects being consolidation/concentration of population density, infrastructure, jobs, wealth, etc., making is easier/cheaper to maintain those resources and preserve the wetlands and farmlands that have been developed into low efficiency areas that are more too expensive to maintain.

I may not agree with the exact methods for acheiving this, but intra-regional shifts are still good for the state.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 5:53 PM
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22nd and Walnut lot - Walnut Estates.

Not as bad as I thought. I'm glad the 5 floor condo building with ground floor retail faces Walnut. Looks like a nice modern design.

It was granted approval by the ZBA. Renderings in the article below.

http://www.phillyliving.com/blog/zba-grants-variance-to-walnut-estates-tower.html
The new zoning code still sucks if a 5 story building on Walnut Street needs a variance. It's still totally unrealistic. If the variance was allowed, then why wasn't the issue just accounted for when the new zoning code was written? I thought one of the main reasons for the overhaul was to cut the red tape and speed up the building process. I'm not seeing any evidence of this. But maybe less homeowners are needing variances for decks, fencing, and things like that. Who knows.
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Don't know if this means they got the vote or if it's just precautionary. Take it for what you want.

"The four sports complex community directors have called an important meeting for 6:30 p.m. Nov. 12 (tomorrow night) at Stella Maris, 10th and Bigler streets, concerning the expected decision that the proposed Live! Hotel and Casino site, 10th Street and Packer Avenue, will be awarded Philadelphia's second casino license."

http://www.southphillyreview.com/news/features/Urgent-community-meeting--282318451.html
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 6:19 PM
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The new zoning code still sucks if a 5 story building on Walnut Street needs a variance. It's still totally unrealistic. If the variance was allowed, then why wasn't the issue just accounted for when the new zoning code was written? I thought one of the main reasons for the overhaul was to cut the red tape and speed up the building process. I'm not seeing any evidence of this. But maybe less homeowners are needing variances for decks, fencing, and things like that. Who knows.
Nothing to do with the code. It needed a variance to cover 100% of the lot. This may or may not be a problem with the zoning *map*, but this isn't a good example of the code failing.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 6:50 PM
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Don't know if this means they got the vote or if it's just precautionary. Take it for what you want.

"The four sports complex community directors have called an important meeting for 6:30 p.m. Nov. 12 (tomorrow night) at Stella Maris, 10th and Bigler streets, concerning the expected decision that the proposed Live! Hotel and Casino site, 10th Street and Packer Avenue, will be awarded Philadelphia's second casino license."

http://www.southphillyreview.com/news/features/Urgent-community-meeting--282318451.html
All reporting suggests this site is going to be the winner. I dont get it personally, the people there dont want it and a CC location would be better.
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The absolute best long-term state-wide planning policy is to promote Camden, Trenton, AC, and Newark as the best places to live/work in the state.

The effects being consolidation/concentration of population density, infrastructure, jobs, wealth, etc., making is easier/cheaper to maintain those resources and preserve the wetlands and farmlands that have been developed into low efficiency areas that are more too expensive to maintain.

I may not agree with the exact methods for acheiving this, but intra-regional shifts are still good for the state.
I could get behind this rationale, Mappy. Those places have better connected infrastructures and can regenerate more easily (arguably) and with a lower environmental impact than creating a new center of gravity in Morristown, for instance.
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My guess is that they just don't see how putting a casino downtown would work well due to traffic and parking concerns. I suppose they would rather risk cannibalization of the other three alternative casinos along I95 within short driving distance than to take a risk on putting a casino downtown. If it goes there, maybe, at the least, they will be more interested in extending the broad street line to the navy yard faster. Sugarhouse gave us a trolley spur!
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 7:43 PM
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All reporting suggests this site is going to be the winner. I dont get it personally, the people there dont want it and a CC location would be better.
Honestly, I don't see how a Downtown casino would be better at all. I think either near Sugarhouse Casino or down in the Sports Complex is the two best options for a casino honestly.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 7:44 PM
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More developments. Relatively small - only 4 story buildings, but I'm starting to smell that things are picking up in this area. It could be the next hot area. The biggest three obstacles are the Reading Viaduct, the massive PECO generators and crap in the area, and the Super blocks that need to be divided up.
http://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-philly/loft-district/we-found-foundations-on-wood-street

And massive industrial building at 31st & Master Streets in Brewerytown is being converted to apartments
http://philly.curbed.com/archives/2014/1...tment-complex-to-have-doubleidentity.php

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You guys missed that 70-something jobs from a Maryland company are coming to Camden as well.

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Diogenix Inc., a molecular diagnostics company, is moving a small laboratory from Maryland to the Camden "in order to expand and transform it into a federally-compliant and accredited facility," says an NJ EDA statement. The Inquirer says it's a done deal, with Diogenix being awarded $7.45 million over 10 years.
Maryland isn't New Jersey or Philadelphia.

At any rate, I'd love to know what you guys would suggest they do to revitalize Camden. New Jersey as a state and the surrounding South Jersey communities spent roughly 50 years dumping their problems in to Camden, from illness-causing industries no one else wanted near their house to affordable housing that other towns paid Camden to take (read this, it's important) to methadone clinics it didn't want in its communities (even though today, most drug users are suburbanites, but, you know). How do you work with that?

Listen, I hate tax breaks. I hate the race to the bottom game we play with each other. It's a horrible way to run a country, and ultimately it's going to make everyone worse off. But let's blue sky this. What would you do to bring people into a place that everyone for 50 years has been calling a crime ridden hellhole you better avoid if you don't want to die? How do you combat a half-century's worth of negativity? Remember, everyone from Camden County, the State of NJ, Camden's own corrupt government, to private businesses of every size spent decades hurting the city. The social signaling that "Camden is a place that you do not go to" is so insanely strong and comes from so many places.

So how do you combat that? How do you undo all those years of destroying whatever Camden built up over the years, especially when the destruction came at the hands of people who still live nearby? I'd love to hear your suggestions, and so would a lot of other people.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 7:56 PM
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The 2-year-old New York Code and Design Academy, which runs Web development classes for working professionals in downtown Manhattan, is launching a new location in Philadelphia in January.
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Honestly, I don't see how a Downtown casino would be better at all. I think either near Sugarhouse Casino or down in the Sports Complex is the two best options for a casino honestly.
I think the simply rule of easy in and easy out of the casino in terms of transportation is key with these planners.

FYI...see the number of casinos up and down I-95:

http://www.ourfavoritecasinos.com/interstate/i-95_interstate.php

And, they are getting ready to building a huge one in PG County in Maryland-see link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/traf...2-3f4b-11e4-9587-5dafd96295f0_story.html

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I know they are designed to do that, but all Camden seems to be getting is companies that are already in the area and probably would have built in the region anyway. Ex: Lockheed Martin, the jobs will be coming from Cherry Hill and Morristown; Holtec International, their HQ is in Burlington County; 76ers, based in Philadelphia. And Camden tried getting Dietz and Watson which is in Philadelphia.

I know on paper it might look good for the state when they can tout all these new industries in Camden, but poaching isn't really sustainable and costs a lot of tax dollars.
Mama Dietz will NEVER relocate to Camden!
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 9:29 PM
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So how do you combat that? How do you undo all those years of destroying whatever Camden built up over the years, especially when the destruction came at the hands of people who still live nearby? I'd love to hear your suggestions, and so would a lot of other people.
You get out your pom-poms and get a big I HEART PHL T-Shirt and root like hell for Philadelphia to become so popular economically and from a real-estate standpoint that there's a natural overflow into Camden. We've seen this happen in Hoboken, Jersety City, Oakland, etc.

They should also figure out an easier way to tie Camden's waterfront with Philadelphia. Whether it's the Gondola or some sort of footbridge, if they break down the barriers between the two cities, suddenly living in Camden has a geographic advantage relative to Center City over living, say, in East Passyunk. B/c the PATCO line is not integrated with SEPTA it's just not accessible for most people in the city--plus the main patco stop is blocks (scary blocks) from the waterfront.

The next thing they should do is work with developers and marketers to create a waterfront neighborhood. Call it something hip, like Jefferson Point, and get a little nexus from which to market and brand the area as safe, accessible, far cheaper than center city, and with some things to do. One of those slightly faux neighborhood development companies (like Kierland Commons in Phoenix, AZ) perhaps? They need to invest in the physical space down there to attract people and developers.
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