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Old Posted Oct 26, 2014, 7:37 PM
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Then why not have that top setback treated as an elongated metallic-reflective crown to bolster the spire?
That makes sense to me.
     
     
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If they would just get rid of the last stubby setback, I think the tower would be read much more cleanly. The space up there isn't occupiable anyway.
The last setback is necessarily for the visual height of the building. The last setback is apart of the crown.
     
     
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The last setback is apart of the crown.
I thought for some time that it was dedicated to mech floorage/space. So then why does/should it have the same facade as the rest of the tower?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2014, 10:41 PM
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I thought for some time that it was dedicated to mech floorage/space. So then why does/should it have the same facade as the rest of the tower?
The top or crown is supposed to be an observation deck, I believe the façade is supposed to be the same yes. The difference might be the addition of the inside X shaped bracing, which the picture below shows.


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this tower is super impressive, but its amazing how little office space it actually offers compared to much smaller towers...it has 1/3rd the sq feet of office space than met life tower
     
     
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this tower is super impressive, but its amazing how little office space it actually offers compared to much smaller towers...it has 1/3rd the sq feet of office space than met life tower
The Met Life has about 3.14msf of space, so it has just under twice the space.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2014, 12:21 AM
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If you are going to build tall buildings, this is where you would put them. This has to pass otherwise NY has lost its marbles.
It'll pass because the city wants this development.


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i wish they would extend the top, it doesnt match the scale of the main tower.
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I dunno...If anything, it's the spire that looks too stubby for the tower's dimensions.
It's a combination of both. If only they could take some length of the BofA spire and add it here.



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this tower is super impressive, but its amazing how little office space it actually offers compared to much smaller towers...it has 1/3rd the sq feet of office space than met life tower
Well, as I mentioned earlier, the only reason it's a building this tall is because of the developer's desire to build a signature skyscraper. SL Green is the largest office landlord in the city, yet they have never developed a skyscraper from the ground up. That's why the brought Hines in. But they're gonna get their signature tower, and we're gonna get a new skyline icon with an observation deck and much needed transit improvements. The improved shuttle access and new connection to Grand Central alone are worth it.

Meanwhile, this guy continues to whine...


http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...ide-tower-plan

Grand Central owner rails against East Side tower plan
Andrew Penson takes on SL Green over 1 Vanderbilt complex.



BY ANDREW J. HAWKINS
OCTOBER 24, 2014


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One of the hundreds of thousands of people who stream through Grand Central Terminal every day also happens to own the storied transit hub: Andrew Penson, a real estate investor who runs Midtown Trackage Ventures, which bought the terminal in 2006 for $80 million.

Mr. Penson normally shuns the spotlight, but his dispute with the city over the price of air rights in the forthcoming midtown east rezoning plan has forced him out of the shadows. In September, he made an offer to pay $400 million for the site of SL Green's planned 1 Vanderbilt office tower, saying he could build the complex cheaper—transit improvements included.

The developer dismissed the offer as a "publicity stunt," but Mr. Penson's point was to say that SL Green Realty Corp. would be willing to pay more for Grand Central's air rights. Still, the city is moving toward giving SL Green the zoning variance to build the 65-story structure. Mr. Penson says he has not finished his fight.


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What was your reaction to the de Blasio administration's support for SL Green's 1 Vanderbilt proposal?


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I understand this administration wants to show they're somewhat business-friendly. But this goes over and above being friendly to business. This is corporate welfare to an enormous degree. And so you wonder about the wisdom of bestowing such a huge subsidy. It really is an enormous subsidy to one of the wealthiest real estate companies in the world.

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SL Green says it will spend $210 million on transit improvements and will shoulder any cost overruns. What's wrong with that?


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I just want to point out there's no obligation under the Vanderbilt corridor exchange [adjacent to Grand Central] for them to spend a penny. They're quick to point out that they're responsible for any cost overruns, but the corollary is true. If it's not [$210 million], it's half of that or a quarter of that; then they get the benefit of that, too. But what's important is none of the work that they're undertaking is work that lends itself to cost overruns. It's pretty standard work. They're not digging into streets and having to deal with utility repairs. We think the $210 million is a publicity stunt. That's not real.

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Others are calling your offer to buy the lot from SL Green and build the tower cheaper the same thing: a publicity stunt.


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I don't focus on name-calling. I like to focus on substance.

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Regardless, SL Green doesn't appear willing to accept your offer.


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Haven't heard back from them. It's a real offer. I can't predict what someone else is going to do.

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Can you predict whether this issue is going to end up in the courts?


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If this rezoning proposal goes through as currently drafted, absolutely. It's a taking. That's the crazy thing. What's the city doing here? On the one hand, they're giving a multimillion-dollar subsidy to a wealthy real estate developer. On the other hand, they're exposing themselves to risk [of a lawsuit] from us. It's a double whammy.

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What responsibilities do you have as owner of Grand Central, a national and city landmark?


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Frankly, I wish we had more. The truth is, the building is entirely leased to the MTA. They run it. We have a moral and civic obligation to contribute, once we start disposing of our air rights, to the maintenance and upkeep of the terminal. In fact, it's more than that: We have a legal obligation to do that. As far as the day-to-day, we don't control that.

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How do you feel when you pass through the station? And about how most people probably have no idea that you are its owner?


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[Shrugs] It's a piece of paper. It's a public asset.

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SL Green calls you obstructionist.


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I'd ask you to ask them to show me one instance where I have a history of litigation and obstruction.

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How do you view yourself in the real estate industry?


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I see myself as an opportunistic investor. I believe in our capitalistic system. I believe that if someone takes a risk and has an idea, like we did when we saw this opportunity [to buy Grand Central], our air rights were spreadable in a certain zone, and we thought that if we made the right bet that we would be a benefit. I'm not going to apologize for being an investor who takes risks.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2014, 5:28 PM
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The last setback is necessarily for the visual height of the building. The last setback is apart of the crown.
I understand what it is. I just think the tower would be more elegant without it.
     
     
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I understand what it is. I just think the tower would be more elegant without it.
I know, I'm telling you the top is there to make the tower look more elegant.
     
     
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Is there a reason that there seems to be a goal to turn NY into a giant pedestrian mall?
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Is there a reason that there seems to be a goal to turn NY into a giant pedestrian mall?
well cars are evil pollution-belching & pedestrian-killing things, so there's that as a starter...
     
     
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well cars are evil pollution-belching & pedestrian-killing things, so there's that as a starter...
..? ok
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2014, 8:03 PM
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..? ok
Pollution sucks. Kills your skin too, makes you look old.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2014, 9:21 PM
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..? ok
NYC is trying to not be like other U.S. cities which are parking lots and focus too much on automobiles. Its time to become like the rest of the world and have pedestrian oriented cities which focus on mass transit, and walkable areas. This city has been on the cutting edge of green technologies, and essentially becoming a European style city, only in the U.S.. Cities such as SF, DC, and Boston for example are focusing less on automobiles, and more on pedestrian interaction with the surrounding city scape which in my view, and the view of most urbanists, is the right way to go.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2014, 3:51 AM
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Is there a reason that there seems to be a goal to turn NY into a giant pedestrian mall?
This really kicked off under Bloomberg. But in this case, it's well thought out. As it is now the street is not very active the few blocks it runs along.















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According to Yimby, this has grown again! The crown now peaks at 1,414!






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Old Posted Oct 28, 2014, 12:23 PM
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Correct. It will now stand 1,514 feet!

NEW YORK | 1 Vanderbilt | 1,514 FT pinnacle / 1,414 FT roof | 68 FLOORS
     
     
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Is there a reason that there seems to be a goal to turn NY into a giant pedestrian mall?
I realize you already have a point if view, but I'll take the bait.

First, street closures in the city are few and far between. As in, only a handful have actually happened in the past decade. Most notably, of course, is Broadway in Times Square. Fortunately the planning commission (well, under Bloomberg - I can only hope our new mayor has continued some of it) doesn't push the classic "pedestrian promenade" running through a block or generally from nowhere to nowhere. This was an idea that created more harm than good, and it is not what these street closures are aiming for.

Which leads to the second point: these are targeted in areas that both 1. are already densely packed with pedestrians and 2. would not cause traffic to suffer negatively. At Grand Central, there are obviously enough pedestrians to justify such a closure, and the street in question is actually not used that much, given the viaduct around the station itself and the general congestion that is always there anyway. In fact, as with the Times Square example, you might find that traffic actually moves better, given the ripple effects of the closure.

Anyway, the overall point is that no one is suggesting that cars have no place in New York. In fact, for the past 80 or so years we have tried our best to give as much space as possible in this city to cars. Pedestrians and bikes are finally regaining some of the public right of way. I for one am happy to have a more balanced transportation system and a more interesting public realm.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2014, 4:17 PM
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According to Yimby, this has grown again! The crown now peaks at 1,414!
There was no source given, so for now it's as it is.
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