ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[thepope117]

Originally Posted by ATLSkyPalaceOwner

I received an email from the sales team at 7th Midtown saying they will be breaking ground in November.

Fantastic!!

[atlantaguy]

I took a look at Fuqua's website today, and it was sickening.

He's portraying himself as an urban, mixed-use development expert.

The City needs to lock down zoning around the BeltLine and within proximity to all MARTA stations to protect us from this cancerous garbage.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by forj

i was really hoping Amtrak would move forward with their plans for this site. hearing that Fuqua is involved makes me very worried.

i am actually glad that the amtrak deal is not occuring in atlantic station. it would totally conflict with the plans for the MMPT, and might pressure amtrak into actually considering the MMPT proposal, which they hadn't before.

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

Someone on another site mentioned a project I didn't know about.

The good news is a new mixed use development is apparently coming to the vacant lot at 17th and Northside (where the new Amtrak station was once talked about), set to open Fall 2016. The bad news is the developer is Fuqua. I don't know how firm this is, but I did see it being surveyed recently.

http://fuquadevelopment.com/projects/
http://www.fuquadevelopment.com/files/atlanta/northsideand17th.pdf

You would think hearing about a huge, vacant piece of land in a relatively prime area would excite me, but I can't help but feel disappointed hearing Fuqua is the developer. To be fair, they do have a few developments that I find well done, but I won't hold my breath for this to be included among those.

For what it's worth, via the flyer, they mention the project will be a "... mixed use project (that) will contain high density multifamily units and high density detached single family for sale homes and dynamic retail and restaurant offerings."

Are detached single family homes appropriate for this area? Is that really the highest and best use? I can't imagine they ran their numbers and that is what it told them, however I will defer to their "expertise". I wonder where they'll cram these homes? Along the rail line behind the Ikea? Along 17th or Northside?

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by ATL_J

You would think hearing about a huge, vacant piece of land in a relatively prime area would excite me, but I can't help but feel disappointed hearing Fuqua is the developer. To be fair, they do have a few developments that I find well done, but I won't hold my breath for this to be included among those.

For what it's worth, via the flyer, they mention the project will be a "... mixed use project (that) will contain high density multifamily units and high density detached single family for sale homes and dynamic retail and restaurant offerings."

Are detached single family homes appropriate for this area? Is that really the highest and best use? I can't imagine they ran their numbers and that is what it told them, however I will defer to their "expertise". I wonder where they'll cram these homes? Along the rail line behind the Ikea? Along 17th or Northside?

I could imagine that it's going to be more like zero lot line detached homes(similar to the ones on State Street near 15th St), townhomes (similar to Mecaslin at 15th) and multifamily homes with "some" retail if it's the lot across from Mecaslin. The question is whether more grid-like connections will be created within the site or will the railroad and 17th street bridge and northside remain barriers.

[Atlanta3000]

Re: Fuqua Development/Atlantic Station

I am no fan of Fuqua, but I like the fact they are proposing single family homes.
* High density multifamily units = Renters
* High density detached single family for sale homes = Families

Atlanta's in town neighborhoods need families.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Is something off with the render of Broadstone Terraces?

I count only 5 floors or residential, and lobby floor. Is the parking underground giving the two additional floors for the proposed 8 floors they describe? (The original proposal diagram did say 5 residential floors over a podium.

[Libertarian]

Fuqua must be getting it for a steal if they can put single family homes there.

[Tuckerman]

The Amtrak station at Atlantic Station has never made any sense. For the pitiful 2 trains per day one does not need anything more than the station we already have. Also, if and when we have high speed RR traffic through Atlanta and we have commuter trains like the lamented 'brain train," the multi-modal project is the only thing that makes sense. In any case, these possibilities are years, if not decades, in the future. The advantage of the Fuqua project is that it may tie up and make the possible Amtrak use of that area even less feasible.

[Ant131531]

So apparently, the Water Stacks townhomes in O4W near Auburn/Irwin is already being developed....that was fast...? They look nice though and will no doubt make the area more urban...I just wish there was a store at the corner...like a Flatiron or something.

http://atlanta.curbed.com/archives/2014/...er-tower-stacks-vision-gets-specific.php

Floorplans for The Water Tower Stacks have bubbled up, and they promise a variety of (limited) options on a strategic piece of Old Fourth Ward land. The luxury townhome project's 10 units will rise next to Old Water Tower Park, near the intersection of Irwin Street and Auburn Avenue. Preliminary site work has begun, and construction should begin at the end of this month, officials say. These Stacks are expected to deliver sometime next spring and range from roughly $550,000 to $750,000. On Wednesday, Epic Development released floorplans and sketches of each individual townhouse, shedding a good deal of light on the project. After the jump, a quick breakdown.

You can see more picture and site plans on the link.

[forj]

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

The Amtrak station at Atlantic Station has never made any sense. For the pitiful 2 trains per day one does not need anything more than the station we already have. Also, if and when we have high speed RR traffic through Atlanta and we have commuter trains like the lamented 'brain train," the multi-modal project is the only thing that makes sense. In any case, these possibilities are years, if not decades, in the future. The advantage of the Fuqua project is that it may tie up and make the possible Amtrak use of that area even less feasible.

yeh im in agreement about Amtrak. i thought it would be a great place for a fancy new train station - what with the amazing view of the city you would have from the platform over there... but what i really want is the multi-modal. i fear that may just never happen though. we're stuck with the gulch for awhile.

as for this Fuqua development. i really dislike the idea of detached single family homes here. sure, it means families moving into the area.. but it just doesnt feel right. i think this is going to look a lot like their new proposal up at lindberg for the kroger.. im picturing a big parking lot ... and maybe a Home Depot. guuuuh. but, alas, this lot needed to be developed badly. will be keeping a keen eye out for the plans for this one

[PremierAtlanta]

I do think that more housing geared towards families should be built in the city. As a mom, the Northside Drive @ 17th Street location would NOT be my first choice or 25th choice if I was looking for family friendly housing inside the city. The immediate area is just not that family friendly if I recall the location correctly. This single family detached homes will only wind up going to DINKS. This location should be geared towards midrise.

[Atlanta3000]

Is everyone aware Atlantic Station already has single family homes? As far as if Atlantic Station is family friendly, I personally do not think there is a better location intown and this is coming from someone that lives in Buckhead. Let's see:

- Parks (Check)
- Daycare Center (Check)
- Access to mass transit with their shuttle (Check)
- Movie theatre (Check)
- sidewalks on both sides of the street (Check)
- Walking distance to grocery store, retail and restaurant (Check)

http://www.beazer.com/atlanta-GA/atlantic-station

[ATL_J]

Atlantic Station has homes in the SFH district between 16th and 14th street. If this development were adjacent to that area, SFH would make sense, but this development is sandwiched between a busy Northside drive, train tracks, and 17th Street. SFH make no sense here and I can't imagine they'd be very appealing, even for an Atlantic Station aficionado.

I'm not dogging on Atlantic Station, I like it for the most part, though it'd be better if it wasn't so isolated. But parks? Really? There's a pocket park or two, but until the reservoir is opened, there's not a park I would brag about. Even then, you'd have to trek over Northside drive, which is already hectic without all the development that is coming online.

[PremierAtlanta]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Is everyone aware Atlantic Station already has single family homes? As far as if Atlantic Station is family friendly, I personally do not think there is a better location intown and this is coming from someone that lives in Buckhead. Let's see:

- Parks (Check)
- Daycare Center (Check)
- Access to mass transit with their shuttle (Check)
- Movie theatre (Check)
- sidewalks on both sides of the street (Check)
- Walking distance to grocery store, retail and restaurant (Check)

http://www.beazer.com/atlanta-GA/atlantic-station

Atlanta3000...if you look at the area as it is currently, how many families do you see in the area? I'm sure most of those single family homes are owned by DINKS or SINKS.

Northside Drive is a very busy street where cars travel at high speeds. The same can be said to some degree for 17th Street. Perhaps my idea of family friendly is different. I do afterall currently live in Great Falls, VA. Maybe I have some underlying need to "control" the environment in which we raise our children. Also, family friendly should include "good/great" schools and a safe environment.

There is no way in the world I would feel comfortable with my younger children walking unattended in that area. If I was choosing a family friendly intown location, I would head for Buckhead, Morningside, Ansley Park or Inman Park before that location. And until the Waterworks Park become a reality, there really is no "park" in that location. The water retention area in Atlantic Station doesn't count.

While they are nice, I think those Beazer homes look quite awkward in that location. The transition from the highrises to the single family homes in Home Park look clumsy at best. My hope would be that Atlanta has matured beyond making that mistake...AGAIN.

[RocketSurgeon]

MMPT probably isn't going to happen for a number of reasons. Amtrak's current station is literally falling apart, so it can't be long before they'll need to move or do extensive renovations.

There are quite a few families around Atlantic Station. The area has changed drastically over the last couple of years. I can't say 17th and Northside is the best block in Atlanta to plop a house on, but it doesn't seem entirely out of place to me--after all, it's between Home Park and Loring Heights. Frankly I think the days of being fearful of raising a child in an urban setting are numbered, but if they had that mindset I think they'd be more worried about the liquor store and strip clubs than the IKEA.

What I really worry about is surface parking or a fortress-like layout that makes the block feel like a shopping center. I think the former is unlikely given the ambitious specs and the small size of the lot... I think this will be dense, but that doesn't mean well-designed (as Atlantic Station's mall proves). On the plus side, the infill will be welcome there, and it sounds very mixed. Maybe this is one project he will actually do well. One can dream

The for sale sign is still at 17th and Northside, so there's no indication that a deal has happened yet. Fall 2016 certainly sounds like a groundbreaking would be imminent, but for all I know it's just an idea that will never be pursued.

[joecool]

Originally Posted by ATLSkyPalaceOwner

I received an email from the sales team at 7th Midtown saying they will be breaking ground in November.

Is this the same development going where the Starbucks is now?

Any updates on:
-98 14th Street
-22 14th Street
-811 Peachtree
-1163 W. Peachtree (Novare)

These are the 4 developments I am looking forward to most.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by PremierAtlanta

Atlanta3000...if you look at the area as it is currently, how many families do you see in the area? I'm sure most of those single family homes are owned by DINKS or SINKS.

Northside Drive is a very busy street where cars travel at high speeds. The same can be said to some degree for 17th Street. Perhaps my idea of family friendly is different. I do afterall currently live in Great Falls, VA. Maybe I have some underlying need to "control" the environment in which we raise our children. Also, family friendly should include "good/great" schools and a safe environment.

There is no way in the world I would feel comfortable with my younger children walking unattended in that area. If I was choosing a family friendly intown location, I would head for Buckhead, Morningside, Ansley Park or Inman Park before that location. And until the Waterworks Park become a reality, there really is no "park" in that location. The water retention area in Atlantic Station doesn't count.

While they are nice, I think those Beazer homes look quite awkward in that location. The transition from the highrises to the single family homes in Home Park look clumsy at best. My hope would be that Atlanta has matured beyond making that mistake...AGAIN.

PremierAtlanta - I understand and appreciate your points. Let me give you my real world perspective: I live on Longleaf Drive in Buckhead, which is off of Phipps Blvd and behind the mall. The houses on my street go for $500 - 1.2. and we don't have sidewalks on either side of the street. Two years ago I was hit by a lady in a minivan walking my dogs. The dogs were not hurt, but I was. She never even stopped, but an onlooker got her license plate number. Therefore, if I had a choice of where I would walk my dogs, I would pick Atlantic Station over my neighborhood any day.

As for children, I would never let any child venture alone in either area. If I had a pick one where I would rather go walking with my child, again I would chose Atlantic Station.

[RocketSurgeon]

Just found out it's real after all, and it's typical Fuqua



Zoning meetings are imminent. Can someone please stop this man from cursing Atlanta with his garbage?

The hidden garage is welcome, but that's way too much surface parking and it looks like the retail fronts the parking rather than the street.

Edit: Courtesy of eRosewater on Curbed.

This Fuqua development is becoming real. They're moving forward with the re-zoning process. The Loring Heights Neighborhood has a meeting about the project 7 pm Thursday, October 23rd @ Midtown Church (426 Deering Rd) and a later meeting to specifically approve the re-zoning request. Please attend if you live in the area.

[BGump]

Originally Posted by joecool

Is this the same development going where the Starbucks is now?

Yes. The Starbucks will be moving to a temporary space in the Viewpoint building at the end of the month.