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Old Posted Sep 29, 2014, 3:05 PM
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Awesome! I saw Brigham Yen's post on it as well. Hopefully they will also announce some pilot projects!

And love the street wall that 8th and Grand brings. Lines up very nicely with the existing historic buildings, and looks much better than I thought it would.
How can you tell what it looks like? It's just a frame, and what you see is maybe a quarter/third of the entire length. This thing is utterly massive in person.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2014, 3:07 PM
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About the Broad museum, major disappointment. It's literally a 3-story version of the American Cement Building with a similar "veil". Seele Inc. failed to deliver a decent facade and also caused delays, etc. I hope the money sued over them could be used to hire another company to redo the facade, and I hope this current exterior will be temporary (the company used heavier material which is unsafe for earthquakes). Since it happened already, I hope it'll repeat WDCH's history when they had to replace their exterior materials. The facade, on the side facing WDCH, is suppose to "cave" in a bit but obviously that part is missing.

Broad, LACMA, and Academy Motion museums have all been disappointing. Wishing the best of lucks to the Petersen Automotive, which is closing for renovations this October.
No, the indent faces Grand, and you can see they're working on it.
     
     
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I guess I haven't been following very well, but the honeycomb exterior of the Broad museum isn't happening? Are they not adding the "veil"?
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How can you tell what it looks like? It's just a frame, and what you see is maybe a quarter/third of the entire length. This thing is utterly massive in person.
? I'm just saying that is looks grander in scale than I originally thought. In a dense urban environment, massive is good! And I was referring to the roofline when I said that it lined up with the existing historic buildings.
     
     
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As i was going by the 8th and Grand site today, i noticed that right in the middle of the framing on the Grand side, they were installing a bump in the framing that looks just like the original rendering with all glass.



hopefully they went back to this design instead of the newer ones that were posted on the architects site last year
     
     
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http://www.dailybreeze.com/government-an...entially-transforming-citys-architecture

Making it official...

Los Angeles no longer requires helipads on buildings, potentially transforming city’s architecture



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In a move that could dramatically change Los Angeles’ skyline, city leaders announced Monday that helicopter landing facilities will no longer be required atop new buildings.

The fire code requirement has been criticized for contributing to the “flat-topped” look of Los Angeles’ skyline, particularly in downtown.

Los Angeles was the only major U.S. city with such a rule, which has been in place since at least the 1970s.

Mayor Eric Garcetti, who pushed for the change, called it a “sea change” for Los Angeles design at an event Monday morning to announce the change.

Previous city leaders, including former Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, have long complained the rule hampered architects from designing buildings with spires or setbacks.

But pushback from the Los Angeles Fire Department kept the rule in place. Fire officials argued their helicopters needed to land on top of buildings, despite the fact that fire-fighting technology has evolved and developers in other cities prefer to install safety measures such as special elevators for firefighters rather than helipads.

Standing next to Garcetti on the helipad of the 32-story AT&T Center downtown, Los Angeles Fire Department chief Ralph Terrazas said such elevators can help save lives and said it made “absolute sense” to change the helicopter landing pad rule.

“Our fire department culture is resistant to change sometimes,” Terrazas said.

Under the new guidelines, developers can choose instead to install an array of safety features, including the special elevator.
     
     
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^^^ I just died.........and came back to life. I cant wait to see what architects have planed for downtown in the near future.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2014, 7:28 PM
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No, the indent faces Grand, and you can see they're working on it.
"The facade, on the side facing WDCH, is suppose to "cave" in a bit but obviously that part is missing."
I used the wrong description; I recalled most renderings shows the facade on 2nd street is suppose to "ripple" a bit. Only the latest renderings revealed that piece has been removed and look of the facade has been changed as well. It seems like nobody noticed.


     
     
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"The facade, on the side facing WDCH, is suppose to "cave" in a bit but obviously that part is missing."
I used the wrong description; I recalled most renderings shows the facade on 2nd street is suppose to "ripple" a bit. Only the latest renderings revealed that piece has been removed and look of the facade has been changed as well. It seems like nobody noticed.


Ahh, yeah. You're right about the concert hall side.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2014, 8:18 PM
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? I'm just saying that is looks grander in scale than I originally thought. In a dense urban environment, massive is good! And I was referring to the roofline when I said that it lined up with the existing historic buildings.
I'm reserving judgement until I see the final thing. Massive monolithic designs, aka horizontal skyscrapers, aren't always good, IMO. It's all too much of the same visually for such a long space.
     
     
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Well, looks like Mack Urbans development will be the first without flat roofs per his quote in the LA Times article. Exciting change for the LA Skyline.
     
     
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Well, looks like Mack Urbans development will be the first without flat roofs per his quote in the LA Times article. Exciting change for the LA Skyline.
Really hope we get something like these.

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Nice rundown of development in the Arts District in Curbed LA.

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2014/09/ma...oppable_wave_of_fancification_1.php#more
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2014, 12:12 AM
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Nice rundown of development in the Arts District in Curbed LA.

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2014/09/ma...oppable_wave_of_fancification_1.php#more
That's a lot of stuff. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is Cafe Gratitude coming to One Santa Fe. Pure awesomeness.
     
     
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AEG seeks more time to build NFL stadium in downtown L.A.

By ROGER VINCENT

With time running out, AEG seeks extension to build NFL stadium in downtown L.A.
With the clock running out on a proposal to build a pro football stadium in downtown Los Angeles, developer Anschutz Entertainment Group has appealed to the city for extra time.

Citing progress in talks with the National Football League, AEG asked city officials Monday for an additional six months to land an NFL franchise and get underway building "Farmers Field" stadium while making improvements to the aging Los Angeles Convention Center.

The request will test city officials’ recently stated resolve to stop pining for an NFL franchise to come downtown and get to work on a “Plan B” for the convention center that doesn’t include a stadium. That plan calls for modernizing the convention center while possibly adding a big 1,000-room hotel to help serve it.

Under a 2012 agreement, AEG has until Oct. 17 to sign a team. It is then to demolish the obsolete West Hall of the convention center and replace it with a stadium. It must also build a new $287-million convention center wing to be paid for with stadium proceeds.

AEG’s bid for an NFL team seemed promising two years ago in the flurry of enthusiasm over the proposed stadium that included a multimillion-dollar commitment AEG secured from Farmers Insurance to put Farmers’ name on the venue.

But by spring of this year, with negotiations between AEG and football team owners apparently stalled, city officials announced they were preparing to move on from the stadium and take back control of developing the convention center site when the agreement with AEG expires next month.

It’s common for real estate developers to request more time from the city to get their projects underway, but this request is more fraught because of widespread skepticism that a football deal is possible and the city’s sense of urgency that it must improve the convention center while billions of dollars worth of new housing, hotel and shopping projects are being constructed nearby by private developers.

“We are not asking for more time lightly,” AEG Chief Executive Dan Beckerman said in a letter to the mayor and City Council, “as we understand from your feedback that there are important objectives and principles underlying the project that need to be advanced without undue delay.”

To sweeten its request for more time, AEG has offered to spend as much as $750,000 on elements of the city’s Plan B.

City officials have already launched a design competition under that plan, asking architectural firms to submit their ideas for upgrading the facility while identifying space where the new 1,000-room hotel could be built.

L.A. had been planning to award $200,000 to each of the three finalists in that competition after AEG’s Oct. 17 deadline expired.

Now AEG says it would spend $600,000 on alternative design plans for improving the convention center site and reimburse the city up to $150,000 for costs connected to evaluating the competing plans.

AEG also promised to push for development of a hotel with at least 750 rooms on Olympic Boulevard next door to a new Marriott hotel complex and across the street from the Ritz-Carlton and J.W. Marriott hotels at L.A. Live.

Robert “Bud” Ovrom, executive director of the city’s Convention and Tourism Development Department, supports the stadium while also pushing the city’s Plan B.

He would not specifically discuss AEG’s latest request. But he noted that the city is already struggling to book conventions because of the uncertainty about the facility’s future.

“We’re anxious to see a decision made one way or the other,” he said. “From a marketing point of view, we need to get on with it.”

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I recently moved out of the Museum Tower across the street from the Broad so this one is particularly personal to me. Such a disaster. It is so rare for us in LA to universally love a design. The original plan was so dynamic and unique that many of us were afraid/thrilled that it could potentially even steal the spotlight away from WDCH. At a minimum, it would be an icon for the city. Fast forward to today and it somehow actually manages to look terrible and be incredibly delayed. Might as well build it on the other side of WDCH and drop it somewhere into the music center where it'll fit in better.
     
     
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Looks like the city is the one with the leverage now. Since any Plan B is going to be way worse than a new NFL stadium, they might as well grant them this 6 month extension, but at a cost. The city should go along with AEG but demand a massive amount of money in return. $750,000 isn't even worth the headache the city has had to go through with this mess. It's not as though AEG doesn't want to build FF so I say sweeten the pot first.
     
     
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the architects of the broad museum apparently allowed the technology of the PC to get the better of them, & what worked theoretically....in the world of software & on paper....was impractical or overly complicated....& likely far too expensive....to recreate exactly as the designers wanted.

I feel bad for eli broad since he's put so much of this time & $$ into this proj, & he of all ppl certainly shouldn't be blamed for a less than stellar outcome. I knew he must be quite unhappy with the ppl putting together his proj when not only did his organization file a lawsuit against the fabricators, but when he had been informed that the original completion date would be pushed back by at least 6 months, & when he understood why the scaffolding around his museum, after being dismantled many months ago, had to be reinstalled more recently. That alone must be putting big pressure on the museum's budget.

When I saw the west facing wall of the broad over a month ago....the side facing hope street....the first thing that came to mind wasn't so much the old american cement bldg next to macarthur park....which the Broad has often been compared with.....but an old montgomery wards store in lakewood....which I used to drive by yrs & yrs ago. I believe it has since been torn down....



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I can't figure out why, at least so far, parts of the northern facade have openings....or what looks like punched out holes.....here & there while most of the rest of it is solid. The architects' rendering definitely made the exterior look like it was going to be a very transparent, lattice type of facade, far more variegated or full of texture than a basic wall that's similar to a coffered ceiling turned sideways.
     
     
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^^^ They will be granted the extension easily.

I wish somebody would have proposed a stadium next to the river though. It could have spurred more development on that side of downtown.
     
     
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^^^ They will be granted the extension easily.

I wish somebody would have proposed a stadium next to the river though. It could have spurred more development on that side of downtown.
I hope they dont, im tired of this little game they are playing on us, NFL doesnt need LA, and most importantly we dont either. I prefer the two 1,000 room hotel towers and convention center renovation.

also in other news thanks to the new helipad ordinance repeal, maybe CAL PLAZA 3 will have a iconic design.

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2014/09/50..._could_be_replaced_with_a_skyscraper.php
     
     
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