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Old Posted Sep 25, 2014, 6:17 PM
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And ideally, that new management would be subject to the rule that Portland or Seattle supposedly has, that senior transit management has to actually take transit at least 40 times a month.
They should totally do that here.
     
     
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Kingston has that rule too. I believe the TTC in Toronto does too.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2014, 4:17 PM
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Ottawa LRT maps could confound the colour blind

Carys Mills, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: September 25, 2014, Last Updated: September 25, 2014 10:42 PM EDT



This images is a simulation showing what the proposed LRT map colours would look like to someone with the most
severe form of red-green colour blindness. The image was provided by the group Colour Blind Awareness.



Maps of the O-Train system will appear to most people as a red line running east-west, intersecting with a green north-south line, if the city continues with its colouring plans.

But to people with a common colour blindness, those hues will be hard to distinguish.

“If you have a choice, make a choice that’s more inclusive than exclusive,” says Ottawa resident John Olson, 70, who has a type of red-green colour vision deficiency, known commonly as colour blindness.

A tentative map, showing colours and numbers marking the two lines, was shown at transit commission last week and the colour combo has worried Olson and others pushing for accessibility.

Transit commissioners voted in favour of using “O-Train” to refer to the whole light-rail transit system, including the east-west line, which should be fully operational in 2018, as well as the existing north-south rail service already going by that name.

The existing O-Train line will be called Trillium, marked by green on the map, and the new one named Confederation, which was shown in red.

“In my case, it would certainly be clearer if they were more distinct different colours . . . such as yellow and (dark) blue or black,” Olson said.

Red-green is the most common type of colour blindness, according to U.K.-based group Colour Blind Awareness. The group estimates all kinds of colour blindness — involving light sensors in the retina and their sensitivity to the light spectrum — affect one in 12 men and one in 200 women.

“Red and green is a silly choice to start with,” said Kathryn Albany-Ward, founder of Colour Blind Awareness, adding that people with the red-green colour blindness also confuse colours that have red or green as part of the whole colour, such as blue and purple.

She referred to a European soccer game that created confusion earlier this month, because Liverpool was wearing red and Ludogorets green. Albany-Ward simulated what that would look like for someone with red-green colour blindness. The result, for people with regular vision, is all the players appearing to wear brownish uniforms.

“It depends on the specific shade of red and the specific shade of green, whether or not colour-blind people can tell the difference,” Albany-Ward said. “It could be a dark green or a bluey green, compared with an orangey red, and they would probably be able to tell it apart. But what normally happens in these situations is they choose colours that are the same tone and shade … so it looks nice aesthetically for people who see colour normally.”

Pat Scrimgeour, OC Transpo’s manager of transit planning, said the city is starting to look into whether the colour combination is a problem and if there are particular tones of red and green that would be easier for people to tell apart.

Line names and numbers will also be used on maps and the system as identifiers to help people find their way, he said.

The commission didn’t approve specific colours. But the Christmasy pair is a “leading candidate,” Scrimgeour said, partially because red is symbolically tied to Canadian confederation, and green matches the trillium flower.

“The bigger reason is that any of the other primary colours, or the other top six colours, are just less practical for our use,” he said. Red is tied to the Confederation line because it matches OC Transpo’s traditional colours and is symbolic. “Then the question is,” he said, “what do we use for the other line?”

Yellow can’t be reproduced nicely on a white background; orange and purple can be confused with red under certain lights and blue could be confused with Blueline Taxi, if someone says “Take the blue line,” Scrimgeour said.

“As far as we’ve found so far, it’s not recognized as a disability, so the law doesn’t give us any guidance,” he said.

But accessibility consultant Lesley MacDonald, who has worked on other Ontario transit systems, said the law is the bare minimum. Mississauga, for example, created an accessibility design handbook guiding the municipality to avoid red and green, as well as other difficult pairings.

The Toronto Transit Commission, MacDonald said, paid attention to colour blindness when it designed its map, with a black background and specific shades of colours that stand out, including an orangey yellow.

“To use red and green together, I wouldn’t do that,” MacDonald said.

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Old Posted Sep 26, 2014, 4:26 PM
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Instead of colours, perhaps symbols to reference the various lines.


This could be the Happy Trail line. Sell some advertising and call it the McHappy Trail.



This could be the "sink or swim" line.


At a few billion dollars, one would think the creative juices from council would be a bit more innovative.
     
     
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Seems like an easy fix. Since there are only two lines we could tweak the colours/add a indicator to show the lines terminate. Alternatively for a larger system map with many lines we could look at places like London who have black and white map for colour blind customers.


https://tfl.gov.uk/forms/12387.aspx
     
     
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There are different shades of green and different shades of red, pick the right ones and colour blind people will perceive it as different tones of brown. The lines really are not that complicated anyway, and anyone who is colour blind can figure out the directions based on the termini, much like how they learn to figure out the difference between red and green lights on a traffic signal based on position.
     
     
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The shades the city picked do not go well together. They're both slightly 'weakened' versions of the primary colours. Change Confederation to pure red and the problem is solved.

I'd like the city to make Bayview bolded on that map. That also helps.

Also, we need to come up with a new name for Confederation station. It will be confusing and awkward to have a Confederation Line that does not serve Confederation Station.
     
     
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The shades the city picked do not go well together. They're both slightly 'weakened' versions of the primary colours. Change Confederation to pure red and the problem is solved.

I'd like the city to make Bayview bolded on that map. That also helps.

Also, we need to come up with a new name for Confederation station. It will be confusing and awkward to have a Confederation Line that does not serve Confederation Station.
I'm accustomed to circles for interchange stations and ticks for regular stations. This map uses circles for all stations, but either way I wouldn't think it's anything near a final design.

I liked the idea "Heron West" for Confederation. Another option would be to call it "Confederation Heights" as the train does, which would be slightly less confusing.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2014, 12:49 AM
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I'm accustomed to circles for interchange stations and ticks for regular stations.
Does any transit system actually use those? I've only ever seen fantasy maps like that...

The official transit maps for...

Montreal: http://www.stm.info/sites/all/modules/features/stm_metro/theme/images/map-interactive.gif
Toronto: http://www.ttc.ca/PDF/Maps/SubwayRT_Map_2014.pdf
Vancouver: http://www.translink.ca/~/media/documents/schedules_and_maps/transit_maps/skytrainsystemmap.ashx

... all use circles for all stations. Vancouver marks junction more clearly than the other two, and Toronto doesn't do anything at all to mark junctions. Given that Ottawa seems to be drawing inspiration from the Toronto Subway (for example, we're copying Toronto's unique and awesome fare control strategy) it doesn't surprise me that Ottawa's not putting any special markings of any kind on Bayview.
     
     
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I'm accustomed to circles for interchange stations and ticks for regular stations. This map uses circles for all stations, but either way I wouldn't think it's anything near a final design.

I liked the idea "Heron West" for Confederation. Another option would be to call it "Confederation Heights" as the train does, which would be slightly less confusing.
I'd prefer something more distinct, like "Bronson-Heron" or even "Brookfield".
     
     
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Does any transit system actually use those? I've only ever seen fantasy maps like that...
say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat. London (aka one of the best public transit systems of all time) uses ticks and circles. We should be copying them if we're going to be copying anyone....

     
     
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say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat. London (aka one of the best public transit systems of all time) uses ticks and circles. We should be copying them if we're going to be copying anyone....
I was thinking of London. New York uses small black circles, with the usual white in black circles at interchanges. Regardless, almost all the maps have some way to denote transfers.

Things will get more interesting if there is a combo Transitway-LRT map like there currently is.

http://www.octranspo1.com/map-new/maps_transitway/?lang=en
     
     
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The anagram version is going to have to be revised then
     
     
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I say black dots for stations and slightly larger white dots for connecting stations.

Our system is way too small to include ticks, to the untrained individual, it would look like we only have 1 or 2 stations...
     
     
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[B]Ottawa LRT maps could confound the colour blind

Pat Scrimgeour, OC Transpo’s manager of transit planning, said the city is starting to look into whether the colour combination is a problem and if there are particular tones of red and green that would be easier for people to tell apart.
Maybe Scrimgeour can do a full useability audit of the entire OC Transpo information system, starting with basic questions as "Why do we make it so hard to find a stop number at transit stations?", and "Why do we take the system maps out of major Transitway stations in the summer?"

Maybe Pat Scrimgeour should start actually riding the system he plans.
     
     
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Construction Summary
Week of Sept 28, 2014




Central Segment

Tunnel

West Portal (Jawbreaker)
  • Excavation in drifts is ongoing as mining progresses toward the west entrance of Lyon Station.
  • Mining of the bench was completed.
  • Cavern reinforcement advances.

Central Shaft (Chewrocka)
  • Mining west toward Lyon Station continues in the running tunnel.
  • Construction of a lower level support system continues and includes pouring of concrete slab.
  • Installation of storm sewers and conduits is ongoing.

Central Shaft


East Portal (Crocodile Rouge)
  • Mining and rockbolt installation are ongoing.
  • Mining 24/7 is scheduled to continue until spring 2015.
  • Excavation progresses toward Rideau Station cavern.

East Portal


For weekly updates on tunnel excavation progress please visit the Roadheader page.

East Segment

Maintenance and Storage Facility (MSF)

Construction activities progress at the MSF site and on the connector as long-term closure of Belfast Road south of Tremblay Road to Trainyards Drive and north of Tremblay Road to Coventry Road continues.
  • Steel erection progresses on the MSF building and the shed.
  • Shoring, piling and the installation of whalers[i] are ongoing for the MSF connector.
  • Site utilities, storm sewer work and backfilling on the MSF site progress.
  • Site utilities north and south of Tremblay Road continue.
  • Works in anticipation of pouring begins at the connector.
  • Masonry advances on the MSF building.
  • Drilling, hoe ramming, excavation and removal of a section of railway track and the installation of the steel bridge is anticipated to occur by end of the week for the temporary VIA Rail track support systems.

MSF


Civic Works

Highway 417 Roadwork, Widening and Structure Rehabilitation
  • Work on Highway 417 median lanes is ongoing with excavation and barrier wall removals from Cyrville Road to Nicholas Street.

Hwy 417 Roadworks


Roadworks
  • Sewer work in the median lane progresses.
  • Panel installation progresses on the retaining wall along the highway from St. Laurent Boulevard to Vanier Parkway.
  • Wiring, boring[ii], and pouring of concrete footing for light poles advances.
  • Roadway construction progresses and includes excavation, milling[iii], placing and compacting granular.
  • Retaining wall and grading work advances at Robinson Avenue.

Signage
  • The three message signs have been installed; and are expected to be operational imminently.

Structures

Widening, reconstruction and rehabilitation of various bridge structures continue along the highway.

Lees Avenue Underpass
  • Final works on the retaining wall continue and include pouring and rebar tying[iv].

Hurdman Bridge
  • Demolition of the structure’s median span is ongoing and includes stripping the deck and access platforms as well as saw cutting and removal of the deck.
  • Girder bracing and shimming[v] continue.

Hurdman Bridge


Vanier Parkway Overpass
  • Waterproofing of the newly constructed bridge structure occurs in the staging area in advance of the rapid bridge lift and replacement scheduled for this weekend.
  • Work on the median pier advances and consists of placing reinforced steel in the columns and formwork as well as pouring of the pier caps.
  • Vanier Parkway roadway rehabilitation works are ongoing in anticipation of the overpass replacement and include sewers, grading, paving, new curb and sidewalks, enhanced geometry as well as intersection lighting relocation.

Vanier bridge


Coventry Pedestrian Footbridge
  • Construction of the new footbridge superstructure continues and includes installation of parapets[vi] and the glazing[vii] and roofing systems.
  • Ongoing concrete placement on the bridge deck advances at the south abutment.
  • Forming of the south ramp and construction of the staircase advance.
  • Forming and pouring of the north ramp continues.

Coventry bridge




Belfast Road Underpass – Reconstruction of the structure progresses as long-term closure of Belfast Road, north of Tremblay Road to Coventry Road continues.
  • Ongoing construction of the underpass’ median pier advances and includes placing concrete on the deck in anticipation of girder erection scheduled for early October.
  • Formwork[viii] progresses at the north and south ramps.

Belfast


St. Laurent Overpass
  • Work on the St. Laurent Overpass has advanced.
  • General site clean-up and demobilization in the area has now commenced.

St. Laurent


Stay on-track with us and follow our progress by visiting the sections related to each area of construction at the top of this webpage.

[i] Whalers are horizontal reinforcement used to secure upright structures, such as formwork for the pouring of concrete.
[ii] Boring refers to the act or process of enlarging a hole.
[iii] Milling refers to the process of removing asphalt pavement with a machine.
[iv] Rebar tying is a method that involves tying sections of rebar together to prevent it from shifting during the pouring of concrete.
[v] Girder bracing serves to stabilize the main girders during construction and shimming refers to adjusting it into its proper location.
[vi] Parapets are low protective walls that run along the edge of bridges.
[vii] Glazing involves furnishing or fitting a bridge with glass.
[viii] Formwork refers to a mold in which concrete is poured.
     
     
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Operational MTO signage is imminent!
     
     
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By the time those signs are operational, the project will be complete!
     
     
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Printing shop in the Podium building seems to have vacated the premises in anticipation for the subway entrance. Forgot to check if the restaurant on Sparks was still open. I'll go by this week to find out. If it's gone, might be a sign of the inevitable demise of the Podium in favour of the new Tower D.
     
     
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They never mention Hurdman Station in these updates. I passed there this weekend and they seem to have the massive rebar cages for the columns that will support the elevated station.
     
     
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