LOS ANGELES | METRO Project Rundown 2.0 (non-downtown)

[brudy]

I think LB is just entering some people's awareness as a place to live where you could get something of a beach and urban (or at least walkable) context and still be close to everything LA provides. I've heard a few people talking about it here in downtown and a guy in my building moved down there earlier this year to a much larger place for less rent on the water.

[Flavius Josephus]

On another note, LADCP's environmental notices have this:

- 254 unit river-adjacent apartment development at 6621 N Reseda Blvd with ground floor retail. http://cityplanning.lacity.org/staffrpt/mnd/ENV-2014-1760.pdf. It's about 2/3 of a mile from the Orange Line. Replaces an auto body shop.
- Major expansion of a homeless shelter to include a bunch of supportive housing at 340 N Madison Ave by PATH Ventures. http://cityplanning.lacity.org/staffrpt/mnd/ENV-2014-1303.pdf

[edluva]

Originally Posted by Flavius Josephus

Beach-related hyperbole aside, Long Beach's openness to development is what may well allow it to compete with the Westside as a vibrant neighborhood. SaMo is nice if you already live there, but its rabid anti-growth politics mean that it is essentially off-limits to everyone who is not very rich (or moved into a rent-controlled place 30 years ago and will never move out).

Sure, being next to a megaport and its associated pollution isn't good. But in a housing market as constrained as SoCal's, if you build a bunch of housing in an increasingly walkable area with moderately good transit near some stores, bars, and restaurants, people will live there and a vibrant urban lifestyle will spring up. There are hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people in the AV and IE who would love to have an urban lifestyle closer to LA if only they could afford it. If Long Beach understands this and increases supply while Santa Monica fights to keep new people out, perhaps some day in a decade or two we'll be talking about how all the Post-Millennials are moving to the trendy south.

i won't completely negate the positives DTLB has. its near water. it's got walkable bones. there's transit. attractions too.

but to your point, fundamental gentrification in DTLB is going to occur on the scale of decades, not years. DTLB attracts primarily weekenders of the middle-lower socioeconomic spectrum. the restaurants, bars, even the type of "redevelopment" targets patrons from the gateway cities and the IE. it completely lacks the sophistication of santa monica, DLTA, and pasadena. think jersey shore. for this reason, there is still a long long way to go for it to become a national or even international destination in its own right, excepting the demographic it currently serves.

santa monica does have its problems. especially rent control and the SMRR, and to some degree it's become a victim of its own success. but all in all, santa monica has an enviable list of positives that DTLB could only dream of ever possessing.

[Flavius Josephus]

Originally Posted by edluva

i won't completely negate the positives DTLB has. its near water. it's got walkable bones. there's transit. attractions too.

but to your point, fundamental gentrification in DTLB is going to occur on the scale of decades, not years. DTLB attracts primarily weekenders of the middle-lower socioeconomic spectrum. the restaurants, bars, even the type of "redevelopment" targets patrons from the gateway cities and the IE. it completely lacks the sophistication of santa monica, DLTA, and pasadena. think jersey shore. for this reason, there is still a long long way to go for it to become a national or even international destination in its own right, excepting the demographic it currently serves.

santa monica does have its problems. especially rent control and the SMRR, and to some degree it's become a victim of its own success. but all in all, santa monica has an enviable list of positives that DTLB could only dream of ever possessing.

I think it would be great to give folks from the Gateway Cities and IE an urban alternative to overcrowded '50s tract homes and insane commutes from exurbia. And I'm not sure if you're referring to Jersey Shore generally or the TV show in particular, but assuming it's the former, it's worth remembering the critical role the Jersey Shore long played as an opportunity for recreation for working class and middle class people. It's currently very tough to be poor in SoCal - if this provides some housing to mitigate upward pressures on rents and some convenient recreational amenities for people in the surrounding areas, then that's a win from my perspective even if it doesn't end up going all the way to ultra-trendy like DTLA or DTSM.

Short version: SoCal needs housing. Anywhere that builds a lot of it sufficiently close together for people to walk and generate sufficient demand for concentrations of restaurants, etc., to develop is going to do well. That's the lesson of DTLA.

[caligrad]

Originally Posted by edluva

i won't completely negate the positives DTLB has. its near water. it's got walkable bones. there's transit. attractions too.

but to your point, fundamental gentrification in DTLB is going to occur on the scale of decades, not years. DTLB attracts primarily weekenders of the middle-lower socioeconomic spectrum. the restaurants, bars, even the type of "redevelopment" targets patrons from the gateway cities and the IE. it completely lacks the sophistication of santa monica, DLTA, and pasadena. think jersey shore. for this reason, there is still a long long way to go for it to become a national or even international destination in its own right, excepting the demographic it currently serves.

santa monica does have its problems. especially rent control and the SMRR, and to some degree it's become a victim of its own success. but all in all, santa monica has an enviable list of positives that DTLB could only dream of ever possessing.

A walking contradiction much ? on the last page you said Long Beach lacked walkability and it lacked transit and now your saying its walkable and it has transit? pick one side of the fence.......

Originally Posted by edluva

the problem with DTLB is it's simply not very desireable like Santa monica or DTLA, because it lacks the transit, walkability, and historic architecture of DTLA and it lacks the creativity/education/money of santa monica/venice.

[bighomey3000]

It is better to ignore trolls (with the ignore button) then feed them.

[edluva]

Originally Posted by caligrad

A walking contradiction much ? on the last page you said Long Beach lacked walkability and it lacked transit and now your saying its walkable and it has transit? pick one side of the fence.......

think a little deeper caligrad. DTLB's connection to the waterfront is horrible. downtown north of ocean has walkability (though patchy, hence the walkable bones) but the main reason people come to DTLB, to be near the water, is lost to horrible connectivity. the shoreline is completely devoid of walkability. overall, it needs lots of work to become walkable. get it?

try harder, caligrad

[Flavius Josephus]

Meanwhile, in Hollywood Target news, it looks like the Court of Appeal has denied Target's request to stay pending appeal the Superior Court decision halting the project. http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=2&doc_id=2084287&doc_no=B258033. Target appears to have filed a petition for review of that order by the California Supreme Court. http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/s...cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2087332&doc_no=S221183.

The court filings do not appear to be freely available online; from the public docket sheets, I think this is just relates to the denial of the stay pending appeal, rather than the whole appeal.

[blackcat23]

Originally Posted by Flavius Josephus

254 unit river-adjacent apartment development at 6621 N Reseda Blvd with ground floor retail. http://cityplanning.lacity.org/staffrpt/mnd/ENV-2014-1760.pdf. It's about 2/3 of a mile from the Orange Line. Replaces an auto body shop.

Here we go:

http://buildinglosangeles.blogspot.com/2014/09/low-rise-mixed-user-to-sprout-on-reseda.html

The WaterMark, designed by TAG Architects. Six-story project being developed by Metric Holdings Corporation.

[edluva]

Originally Posted by Flavius Josephus

Meanwhile, in Hollywood Target news, it looks like the Court of Appeal has denied Target's request to stay pending appeal the Superior Court decision halting the project. http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=2&doc_id=2084287&doc_no=B258033. Target appears to have filed a petition for review of that order by the California Supreme Court. http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/s...cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2087332&doc_no=S221183.

The court filings do not appear to be freely available online; from the public docket sheets, I think this is just relates to the denial of the stay pending appeal, rather than the whole appeal.

just trying to get a target built in hollywood...a friggin' target!

LA is toxic to progress

[BrianMojo]

Originally Posted by blackcat23

Here we go:

The WaterMark, designed by TAG Architects. Six-story project being developed by Metric Holdings Corporation.

Not bad at all! It begins.

[caligrad]

Originally Posted by edluva

just trying to get a target built in hollywood...a friggin' target!

LA is toxic to progress

Now this I agree with you. If this is the Stalled target on sunset they are talking about, its sad. Let it finish ! why stop it mid construction. ridiculous.

[caligrad]

In other news. The shoreline gateway project in Long Beach is digging down at a steady pace like metropolis. However there was a little chirp from one of the neighbors concerned with views being blockeds and traffic increasing but the city of Long Beach politely said "🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵". I like how Projects in Long Beach pretty much move swiftly and most of the time receive little to no opposition from its neighbors. This project sits right next to a couple of 2 story apartments/condos and across the street from other towering condos not much of a peep out of the neighbors until now. There was when it was first proposed but most of them were elderly and this was proposed 8 years ago........so.....yeah.......

[caligrad]

Originally Posted by blackcat23

Here we go:

http://buildinglosangeles.blogspot.com/2014/09/low-rise-mixed-user-to-sprout-on-reseda.html

The WaterMark, designed by TAG Architects. Six-story project being developed by Metric Holdings Corporation.

Thanks for the update blackcat. is it just me......or looking at this harder it looks like a fancy parking garage ? doesn't even look like a residential building to me, just a fancy parking garage........BUILD IT !

[Flavius Josephus]

Originally Posted by caligrad

Thanks for the update blackcat. is it just me......or looking at this harder it looks like a fancy parking garage ? doesn't even look like a residential building to me, just a fancy parking garage........BUILD IT !

Nice project. Nothing special, but a good salt-of-the-earth bunch of apartments quietly bringing much-needed housing without being too bold and provoking too much backlash from the neighbors. A few dozen of these a year and LA might actually stand a chance of getting construction up to a level where it keeps pace with population growth.

[edluva]

Originally Posted by Flavius Josephus

I think it would be great to give folks from the Gateway Cities and IE an urban alternative to overcrowded '50s tract homes and insane commutes from exurbia. And I'm not sure if you're referring to Jersey Shore generally or the TV show in particular, but assuming it's the former, it's worth remembering the critical role the Jersey Shore long played as an opportunity for recreation for working class and middle class people. It's currently very tough to be poor in SoCal - if this provides some housing to mitigate upward pressures on rents and some convenient recreational amenities for people in the surrounding areas, then that's a win from my perspective even if it doesn't end up going all the way to ultra-trendy like DTLA or DTSM.

i agree wholehartedly. the lower class need beaches to play at too. my comments weren't in disgreement with that at all, but more to the delusional forumers touting DTLB as some kind of upcoming santa monica or DTLA, which it probably will never be. the lower class who both surround and swarm DTLB will ensure that DTLB won't ever fully gentrify and attain that universal appeal santa monica or pasadena has. which is ok for what it serves. optimism is good, but let's not get delusional here.

for the same reason DTLB is playground for low income gateway/IE types, DTLB will continue to be viewed as somewhat "ghetto" for a long time coming, like it or not. akin to the jersey shore. and not in the bohemian way venice was in the 90s when it was still a rough neighborhood, for those wishful thinkers up here. anyone trying to deny that is again, being delusional.

[upward 2000]

Originally Posted by caligrad

In other news. The shoreline gateway project in Long Beach is digging down at a steady pace like metropolis. However there was a little chirp from one of the neighbors concerned with views being blockeds and traffic increasing but the city of Long Beach politely said "🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵". I like how Projects in Long Beach pretty much move swiftly and most of the time receive little to no opposition from its neighbors. This project sits right next to a couple of 2 story apartments/condos and across the street from other towering condos not much of a peep out of the neighbors until now. There was when it was first proposed but most of them were elderly and this was proposed 8 years ago........so.....yeah.......

Any word on when the shoreline gateway project is due to open?

[caligrad]

^^^ If I remember correctly, The 18 story tower is suppose to open late 2016 or early 2017. and the 32 story tower wont be completed until 2019. it wont start construction until the first one is done but I've read in the downtown gazette paper in Long Beach that construction of the second tower may actually start between late next year and mid 2016 because developers want to move quickly as quickly as possible while the market is still good for housing. Finger crossed.

[Flavius Josephus]

LADCP case filing report is out. Very quiet fortnight - a few 20-35 unit apartment buildings and a few small lot subdivisions there, but nothing bigger as far as I can see. http://cityplanning.lacity.org/CNCRpts/dsp_viewFileDetail.cfm?filename=298.

Meanwhile, CEQANet has a 97 unit mixed user in Burbank at 550 N 3rd St, http://www.ceqanet.ca.gov/DocDescription.asp?DocPK=684784, and a DEIR for the proposed Sprouts Farmers' Market at 8550 SMB in WeHo, http://www.ceqanet.ca.gov/DocDescription.asp?DocPK=684651. Also a few smallish projects in LA - 18 units in a 5 story apt block at 479 S Fairfax, http://www.ceqanet.ca.gov/DocDescription.asp?DocPK=684658; 34 unit apts at 801 N Hudson, http://www.ceqanet.ca.gov/DocDescription.asp?DocPK=684660; 9 unit, 4 story building on a small site at 316 N Kenmore, http://www.ceqanet.ca.gov/DocDescription.asp?DocPK=684811; and the MND for the supportive housing and shelter expansion, http://www.ceqanet.ca.gov/DocDescription.asp?DocPK=684884.

[RaymondChandlerLives]

Originally Posted by edluva

i agree wholehartedly. the lower class need beaches to play at too. my comments weren't in disgreement with that at all, but more to the delusional forumers touting DTLB as some kind of upcoming santa monica or DTLA, which it probably will never be. the lower class who both surround and swarm DTLB will ensure that DTLB won't ever fully gentrify and attain that universal appeal santa monica or pasadena has. which is ok for what it serves. optimism is good, but let's not get delusional here.

for the same reason DTLB is playground for low income gateway/IE types, DTLB will continue to be viewed as somewhat "ghetto" for a long time coming, like it or not. akin to the jersey shore. and not in the bohemian way venice was in the 90s when it was still a rough neighborhood, for those wishful thinkers up here. anyone trying to deny that is again, being delusional.

Do you even know how gentrification works? DTLA is surrounded by low income neighborhoods on all four sides, and is home to the largest concentration of homeless in the US, yet somehow is it gentrifying at healthy rate. DTLB is actually less in tatters than Santa Monica and Pasadena were before they polished up, it is tailor-made for gentrification. A decent-sized chunk of walkability near the ocean is a precious commodity in Southern California and DTLB provides it. Put your money on it coming up towards the end of the decade, especially if the city embraces condo-culture a'la Miami.