DENVER | Main Development Thread #6

[comoneymaker]

Rather it be a vacant lot than the turd they are putting in there. Oh well maybe it will look better in person than the rendering.

[afrench]

Originally Posted by comoneymaker

Rather it be a vacant lot than the turd they are putting in there. Oh well maybe it will look better in person than the rendering.

1401 Lawrence!? Come on, man!

[RyanD]

Pa chow! Look! Buildings! FOG! WOOO!


Foggy Denver Night by RyanDravitz, on Flickr

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by comoneymaker

Rather it be a vacant lot than the turd they are putting in there. Oh well maybe it will look better in person than the rendering.

If 1401 Lawrence looks as nice as this rendering then I like it just fine.


DenverInfill


RyanD... Nifty fog shot.

[Dogpatch]

^That's just badass, Ryan. Bad. Ass.

[comoneymaker]

The base and top need work and dammit why cant it just be glass all the way around. Why ruin it with that side being concrete crap.

[DenverInfill]

Originally Posted by seventwenty

Ken's new home on Auraria, assuming he actually has an office in this building.

ETA: He does not. Ken, demand a home in the new building.

The College of Architecture and Planning already occupies most of the building at 14th and Larimer and we're taking over the 6th floor next due to another department moving to the new building.

[RyanD]

Originally Posted by TakeFive

RyanD... Nifty fog shot.

Originally Posted by Dogpatch

^That's just badass, Ryan. Bad. Ass.

Thanks!

Let's hope this weather clears by this evening so I can get some drone shots up!

[seventwenty]

Did Bunt get a drone yet? Because there needs to be a dogfighting through the city video. Guaranteed 1,000,000 hits.

[RyanD]

Originally Posted by seventwenty

Did Bunt get a drone yet?

He didn't. He needs to though.

[denconyny]

Some new entries in the Denver Development Services Project Report on the 9/8/14 release

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To begin, this appears to be the most curious

California Tower 2014D00334 622 16th St Mixed Use: Office; Lodging Accommo Mixed-Use D-C Steve Oliver

Is this the infamous Block 162? Is there something actually to begin here? A lot of space that could be built on. I would think that this one could reach for the sky, and with a name of California Tower, well……….

Next, we have a new listing for the Kistler Building below

Kistler Building 2014D00214 Mixed-Use Mixed-Use D-C Steve Oliver

Hmmmmm?

As per the below:

http://www.historicdenver.org/programs/kistler-building/

On September 17th Historic Denver testified at a public hearing at the Landmark Preservation Commission to endorse a significant new project in the Downtown Historic District involving the Kistler Building, located at 1640 Champa Street. The project involves the construction of a new, high-rise tower straddling the center of the block above the back portion of the Kistler Building, which will be partially removed.


It seems that however this will be worked out, for a developer to have to work with an already existing historic building, it would seem that this would have to go up some in order for costs to be recouped, yes?

Moving on, we next have

DHHA Office and Retail 2014D00332 601 Broadway Office/ Retail Commercial C-MX-16 Doug Jones

and this seems to be part of the DGH property, The lot is parking, and to the west of the lot is a 3 story building (maybe to be replaced?) and the to the north is a 9-10 story building, which most likely will not be disturbed. I know nothing of this project, but can we just guess that if the 3 story building is left alone, the project will have to go up some….. up to 16 stories… but probably end up with 6 stories…… after all, this is Denver.

Continuing with the rest

Best Western @ Gateway 2008D00041 16161 E 40th Ave Commercial Gateway 4/11/2008 Greg Savage

Can anything in that area be built above 10 stories?

Core Power Yoga 2014D0226 3740 Sheridan Office Commercial C-MU-10 Doug Jones

Zoned up to 10 stories, but what will be built there?

Sheridan Residence 2014D00146 10th and Sheridan Multifamily Olga Mikhailova

Part of the Sheridan TOD? How high can these go?

Sloan's Lake Block 3 2014D00080 17th and Perry Mixed Use Olga Mikhailova

Sloan's Lake GDP, Block 1 2014D00327 1640 - 1650 Stuart Street 12 Story Residential buidling with 224 Jeff Brasel

Part of the St. Anthony's redevelopment beginning? I thought some buildings would be up to 16 stories, but the filings are with 12 stories?

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Anyways, just going through the new release these were the new listings that I though worthy of mention here.

[PLANSIT]

Originally Posted by denconyny

Some new entries in the Denver Development Services Project Report on the 9/8/14 release

--------------------------------------------------------------

To begin, this appears to be the most curious

California Tower 2014D00334 622 16th St Mixed Use: Office; Lodging Accommo Mixed-Use D-C Steve Oliver

Is this the infamous Block 162? Is there something actually to begin here? A lot of space that could be built on. I would think that this one could reach for the sky, and with a name of California Tower, well……….

Yes, Block 162

[denconyny]

Originally Posted by PLANSIT

Yes, Block 162

Okay, thanks..... and maybe the name change means the projects is moving along?

[EngiNerd]

Originally Posted by denconyny

Some new entries in the Denver Development Services Project Report on the 9/8/14 release

--------------------------------------------------------------

Next, we a new listing for the Kistler Building below

Kistler Building 2014D00214 Mixed-Use Mixed-Use D-C Steve Oliver

Hmmmmm?

As per the below:

http://www.historicdenver.org/programs/kistler-building/

On September 17th Historic Denver testified at a public hearing at the Landmark Preservation Commission to endorse a significant new project in the Downtown Historic District involving the Kistler Building, located at 1640 Champa Street. The project involves the construction of a new, high-rise tower straddling the center of the block above the back portion of the Kistler Building, which will be partially removed.


It seems that however this will be worked out, for a developer to have to work with an already existing historic building, it would seem that this would have to go up some in order for costs to be recouped, yes?

So just thinking out loud, will they also be taking down the adjacent parking garages and developing it as part of the overall construction? The description says it straddles the block, so to me that would mean they will be taking down the garage on both the Champa St. and Stout St. sides for development. A quick parcel search shows that the Kistler Building, the Boston Building, and the two garages are all owned by the same entity.

Very interesting, and could potentially be a large project!

[Fritzdude]

Originally Posted by denconyny

Some new entries in the Denver Development Services Project Report on the 9/8/14 release

--------------------------------------------------------------

On September 17th Historic Denver testified at a public hearing at the Landmark Preservation Commission to endorse a significant new project in the Downtown Historic District involving the Kistler Building, located at 1640 Champa Street. The project involves the construction of a new, high-rise tower straddling the center of the block above the back portion of the Kistler Building, which will be partially removed.

I'd be curious to know more about what might be going on here. Also - I'd love to know how there was already a meeting 5 days in the future..?

[The Dirt]

• The front (Champa Street) fifty-feet of the Kistler Building will be retained and structurally secured during construction.

• The front (Champa Street) façade will be carefully and reasonably restored to its original design and grandeur, including the installation of recreated windows and terra cotta details, including the terra cotta band above the entrances. We understand the details of this restoration will be developed as the project progresses and have asked to remain involved in the conversation.

• Added protection will be put in place for the remaining portion of the Kistler Building, which can best be achieved through a preservation easement.

• While certainly limited, intact original features of the Kistler Building, such as the cast iron egress stairs located towards the front of the Kistler Building, will be reused if possible.

• The exterior facades and intact interior details of the Boston Building, an individually designated landmark, will be protected during the adjacent construction, and the interior courtyard facades will be preserved and enhanced. We further understand that additional enhancements will likely be made to the Boston Building as part of this project, and that these improvements are intended to improve the appearance and more closely honor the original presence of the building. We expect to remain involved in those conversations as well.

http://www.historicdenver.org/programs/kistler-building/

The parts in bold have me very excited!

[The Dirt]

Originally Posted by PLANSIT

Yes, Block 162

I think that this is further from fruition than we all seem to think, especially with the upcoming Hines and 1401 Lawrence. Do we seriously think that we could fill 3 new office towers that went online at roughly the same time? Hick and Hancock better have some serious prospects for companies ready to move to Denver if this were to happen.

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by The Dirt

I think that this is further from fruition than we all seem to think, especially with the upcoming Hines and 1401 Lawrence. Do we seriously think that we could fill 3 new office towers that went online at roughly the same time? Hick and Hancock better have some serious prospects for companies ready to move to Denver if this were to happen.

I had similar thoughts. There's also new office space to come in LoDo and Union Station. Hines' proposal at 1144 15th Street is for 640,000 square feet of office space. That's a bunch... although it's not scheduled for completion until mid-2017. If the "California Tower" was primarily hotel space it could fly.


With respect to the needed demand, Cathy Proctor reports at DBJ on a commercial RE gathering at the Four Seasons:

Denver poised for growth from energy sector — and millenials

Denver is poised to reap the benefits that come with being the biggest city in a 600-mile radius as energy companies pour billions of dollars of investment into the oil and gas fields of Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, North and South Dakota, according to John Sikaitis, a senior vice president at commercial real estate firm Jones Lang LaSalle.

It's an interesting read; a very rosy perspective that I viewed as more of a retrospective than a predictor. It could be both of course. The "600 mile radius" point seemed a bit hokey to me as the largest companies and drillers in the Bakken are from Houston and OKC. Certainly Denver has benefited and should continue to benefit.

[TakeFive]

Ever since I (recently) found CityLab I've spent lots of delightful time reading, learning. Richard Florida who is a Senior Editor at The Atlantic and co-founder of CityLab has written a number of articles concerning his view of the folly of economic development incentives (giveaways). None-the-less they are on the rise as he writes about HERE.

And incentives hit a sky high $16 billion in 2013, on the backs of Washington State’s whopping $8.7 billion incentives package for Boeing

He makes a strong case against giveaways HERE.

When it comes to states, Texas leads them all in these corporate giveaways, with $19.1 billion in outlays per year, more than 2.5 times the next highest state, Michigan, with $6.6 billion in annual giveaways.

Map by MPI's Zara Matheson

Moral of the Story? That's another chapter.

[RyanD]

Turns out flying a drone is a little more complicated than I thought so no flying last night. Inaugural flight will be at Cheesman Park around 1pm!!