Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[Kwik-E-Mart]

The news is just a confirmation of what TransitFreak had noticed a little earlier: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=6608540&postcount=5617


(Screenshot of the TransLink 2013 Annual Report, p. 21)

If Production Way is indeed the terminus rather than Lougheed Town Centre, there needs to be a layover bay built to the west of the station. I am not sure if there is space available for that.

[SpongeG]

they just posted some new pics on facebook







https://www.facebook.com/evergreenline?ref=stream

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by GeeCee

Someone has been doing some poking about the name of the line:

http://www.thenownews.com/news/translink-considers-evergreen-line-name-change-1.1311869

I agree with the mayors. The name, "Evergreen Line", is a brand that needs to remain. It should not be removed just because Translink feels like it.

When Millenium Line came to service, they didn't remove the "Expo Line" on the portions where the two lines overlapped. The "Millenium Line" and "Expo Line" is used to identify which route the trains are traversing up to their final destination.

So it only makes sense that "Evergreen Line" is used for the route that a trainset is using if it were to travel from Douglas / LaFarge to whatever end point it will travel, whether its Lougheed, Commercial, VCC/Clarke or eventually Arbutus (and only up to Arbutus forever ).

If the route of the current Millenium Line, which travels from Waterfront to VCC/Clarke gets shortened up to Lougheed or Production, then so shall it remain that way. There is no point rebranding or rerouting "Millenium Line" to include Douglas / LaFarge, Coquitlam Central and so on as per what Translink is mulling.

So on 2016 (assuming Millenium ends at Production Way), the robot announcer would say this...

Coming from Waterfront:

"Expo line to King George"

"Millenium Line to Production Way"

Coming from Douglas / LaFarge:

"Evergreen Line to VCC / Clarke"

[bardak]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

I agree with the mayors. The name, "Evergreen Line", is a brand that needs to remain. It should not be removed just because Translink feels like it.

When Millenium Line came to service, they didn't remove the "Expo Line" on the portions where the two lines overlapped. The "Millenium Line" and "Expo Line" is used to identify which route the trains are traversing up to their final destination.

So it only makes sense that "Evergreen Line" is used for the route that a trainset is using if it were to travel from Douglas / LaFarge to whatever end point it will travel, whether its Lougheed, Commercial, VCC/Clarke or eventually Arbutus (and only up to Arbutus forever ).

If the route of the current Millenium Line, which travels from Waterfront to VCC/Clarke gets shortened up to Lougheed or Production, then so shall it remain that way. There is no point rebranding or rerouting "Millenium Line" to include Douglas / LaFarge, Coquitlam Central and so on as per what Translink is mulling.

So on 2016 (assuming Millenium ends at Production Way), the robot announcer would say this...

Coming from Waterfront:

"Expo line to King George"

"Millenium Line to Production Way"

Coming from Douglas / LaFarge:

"Evergreen Line to VCC / Clarke"

So your solution is to take 11 station that have been on the millenium line for 12 years now and what people have colloquially known the "millenium line" to a new brand that does not have any connection to. If you tell people you live along the Millennium line The vast majority are going to assume that you mean the section from VCC to Columbia. It makes much more sense to rename the Columbia to Loughead/Production way tail as a expo line and the evergreen line which hasn't even been in service to millenium.

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by bardak

So your solution is to take 11 station that have been on the millenium line for 12 years now and what people have colloquially known the "millenium line" to a new brand that does not have any connection to. If you tell people you live along the Millennium line The vast majority are going to assume that you mean the section from VCC to Columbia. It makes much more sense to rename the Columbia to Loughead/Production way tail as a expo line and the evergreen line which hasn't even been in service to millenium.

Umm...there is NOTHING stopping Translink from simply allowing the current Millenium Line to continue on to VCC/Clarke, and sharing the route from Lougheed to VCC / Clarke with the upcoming Evergreen Line, just like how they did it with the Expo Line with the Waterfront to Columbia route.

It is Translink that wants to halt the Millenium Line up to just Lougheed or Production, so if you have any issues with loosing the "Millenium Line" label for stations west of Production, then take it up with them. Why should anyone do anything special or over complicate things just to keep a name that you happen to like?

There is nothing "Millenium" about the Evergreen route north of Lougheed Town Centre and onwards to Douglas / LaFarge. Nor is anything "Expo" about the route from Columbia to Lougheed or Production

[officedweller]

They could do:

Expo Line
Expo-Millennium Line (ending at Production)
Millennium-Evergreen Line
Canada Line

The hyphenated ones are listed in chronological order.

As long as we don't go to Toronto's new system -

Yonge-University-Spadina Line => now Line 1
Bloor-Danforth Line => now Line 2

[dpogue]

So it's been about 1 year since work started around Lougheed station.

Video from August 15th, 2013 (terrible quality)

Video from August 14th, 2014

[Meraki]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

so if you have any issues with loosing the "Millenium Line" label for stations west of Production, then take it up with them. Why should anyone do anything special or over complicate things just to keep a name that you happen to like?

The cost of removing all the Millennium Line signage, window coverings, station decorations.

The Millennium Line platform signage is still arguably the best in the system, including over the new designs being floated at New Westminster and Scott Road. Why throw out that success when you can just make the new stations a matching yellow colour and everybody who knows the Millennium Line as it currently is now has an extension of it into Coquitlam.

On the flip side, please explain from a financial/wayfinding/customer recognition standpoint why we should rebrand 10 stations that have been Millennium for a decade to satisfy some Tri-Cities Mayors.

Please ensure you run your posts through a spell check application before replying, thank you.

The hints we're seeing about TransLink heading that route shows that they see the same benefits. Other than a few upset Tri Cities mayors who cares about the name Evergreen Line? If it's that big an issue they can just join Derek Corrigan in the group of mayors who refuse to work with anybody unless it personally benefits them.

[rihanageorge]

The Evergreen Line is an essential element of The Provincial Transit Plan and the federal Building Canada Plan.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Meraki

The cost of removing all the Millennium Line signage, window coverings, station decorations.

The Millennium Line platform signage is still arguably the best in the system, including over the new designs being floated at New Westminster and Scott Road. Why throw out that success when you can just make the new stations a matching yellow colour and everybody who knows the Millennium Line as it currently is now has an extension of it into Coquitlam.

On the flip side, please explain from a financial/wayfinding/customer recognition standpoint why we should rebrand 10 stations that have been Millennium for a decade to satisfy some Tri-Cities Mayors.

The hints we're seeing about TransLink heading that route shows that they see the same benefits. Other than a few upset Tri Cities mayors who cares about the name Evergreen Line? If it's that big an issue they can just join Derek Corrigan in the group of mayors who refuse to work with anybody unless it personally benefits them.

i agree. make the evergreen line nonexistent and just brand it as part of the millennium line. since it was always supposed to be part of the millennium line originally. who cares about what the mayors want or the fact it wasn't built for the millennium. trankslink needs to save money not waste it "re-branding" perfect, high-quality station signs, colours, etc.

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by Meraki

The cost of removing all the Millennium Line signage, window coverings, station decorations.

The Millennium Line platform signage is still arguably the best in the system, including over the new designs being floated at New Westminster and Scott Road. Why throw out that success when you can just make the new stations a matching yellow colour and everybody who knows the Millennium Line as it currently is now has an extension of it into Coquitlam.

On the flip side, please explain from a financial/wayfinding/customer recognition standpoint why we should rebrand 10 stations that have been Millennium for a decade to satisfy some Tri-Cities Mayors.

Oh please! When it comes to spending stuff on silly things like making the Main Street station pretty (or even spending legal fees to go after a crappy game set on it ), I see no complaints. But signs that can easily be replaced at a minimum costs for greater clarification to the public, its such a big deal now?

People couldn't care less about how the signs look like, all it matters is they know which train goes where. Besides, the opulence of the Millenium Line is just proof of a dark age where a government couldn't care less about servicing more people but rather just reward certain ridings because they happen to support their twisted views.

It will satisfy more than just "some Tri-Cities Mayors". The name Evergreen is significant to the community it serves, and it has been ingrained to the rich (and colourful) history of this line, its challenges to get off the ground, and how it appears in numerous government, news and community documents, and so on. There is even not one, but two buildings with the name "Evergreen" at Pinetree Way, one of them named specifically after the Skytrain Line! Its a brand that needs to be ingrained on the map.

Again...so on 2016 (assuming Millenium ends at Production Way), the robot announcer would say this...

Coming from Waterfront:

"Expo line to King George"

"Millenium Line to Production Way"

Coming from Douglas / LaFarge:

"Evergreen Line to VCC / Clarke"

That is really all what the passengers need to hear. The rest of the maps found on the trains, stations, brochures, websites, etc. need to be updated anyway to reflect the Evergreen Line coming onboard, just like when the totally separated Canada Line went in service.

Originally Posted by Meraki

Please ensure you run your posts through a spell check application before replying, thank you.

Again, its always about aesthetics, isn't it...

Originally Posted by rihanageorge

The Evergreen Line is an essential element of The Provincial Transit Plan and the federal Building Canada Plan.

There you have it! The "Evergreen Line", not the "Millenium Line".

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by dpogue

So it's been about 1 year since work started around Lougheed station.

Video from August 15th, 2013 (terrible quality)

Video from August 14th, 2014

And all those updates that you have provided have been wonderful and very much appreciated! Thanks again dpogue!

[Millennium2002]

If there is a line in the Evergreen Line budget that is meant to help TransLink with the rebranding exercise, them I would be fine with a renaming as that would be not be seen as taking money from a cash-strapped authority that would otherwise need it.

If, on the contrary, the province expects TransLink to comply with whatever it does without regard to cost, then we should be concerned about the lack of general accountability and loss of funds that could have been used elsewhere.

[Zassk]

The cost of signage is immaterial, because most of the signage on the entire network has to be replaced every time a new line is added to the network. It is worth spending a little money to make the network make more sense. For example, why are most of the Expo stations also branded as Millennium Line? Somehow on the Canada Line we manage to make do with one line name with two tails. Surely we do not need the "Millennium Line" to extend all the way to Waterfront like some imaginary parallel line to the Expo Line. Now is our chance to clean up how we represent the network.

[Valley_Refugee]

Those photos of the potential maps make me frustrated that TransLink can't find a way to incorporate all three lines (with all stations) on the same map.

[bardak]

Originally Posted by Valley_Refugee

Those photos of the potential maps make me frustrated that TransLink can't find a way to incorporate all three lines (with all stations) on the same map.

I believe the maps are for the inside of the train so I don't think it is necessary for them to show the entire Canada line but I do think that they should have a stub coming off of waterfront showing it.

When it comes to renaming the evergreen/millenium line people have know the section that you want to rename as the millennium line for over a decade. If I tell somebody that I live an the millennium line 9/10 people will assume that I live along the stretch you think should be renamed. People will still be calling that section the millennium line for a decade to come like they do GM place or Skydome.

[scryer]

I might be dreaming on this one but personally I would like to see the Millennium line and Evergreen line shared until Lougheed station where the Evergreen line splits off and goes to Port Moody, etc. I'm not sure if the switches would allow it but I think it would make our metro map look sophisticated and still maintain all the lines. That's just me.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Zassk

Somehow on the Canada Line we manage to make do with one line name with two tails. Surely we do not need the "Millennium Line" to extend all the way to Waterfront like some imaginary parallel line to the Expo Line. Now is our chance to clean up how we represent the network.

Yeah, they seem to be moving to names based on the "Mainline with branches" type of descriptions (which do not overlap),
rather than names based on the "Routes" type of descriptions (which do overlap, and can cause more confusion).

Looking forward, the "Millennium Line" will also have 2 branches - one to Douglas-Lafarge Lake and the other to Port Coquitlam.

All 3 SkyTrain lines will eventually have 2 branches (and who knows, maybe the Expo Line will also branch in Surrey (?)).

[twoNeurons]

So... when the line gets extended to UBC, do you call the whole thing the Evergreen line?

What the PoMo mayor is saying doesn't make sense. He said "you don't just give up on your branding" and yet he wants translink to give up the branding of the M-Line for "Evergreen" which isn't exactly a "STRONG" brand, has weak potential for meaning, isn't really all that representational of the Tri-cities Anyhow, could easily be written off as a construction codename until the line is formally named.

Evergreen is not a brand yet, just like the "RAV" line wasn't a brand. On that note: I'm glad we named the line the "Canada Line" instead of the "Olympic Line."

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

So... when the line gets extended to UBC, do you call the whole thing the Evergreen line?

What the PoMo mayor is saying doesn't make sense. He said "you don't just give up on your branding" and yet he wants translink to give up the branding of the M-Line for "Evergreen" which isn't exactly a "STRONG" brand, has weak potential for meaning, isn't really all that representational of the Tri-cities Anyhow, could easily be written off as a construction codename until the line is formally named.

Evergreen is not a brand yet, just like the "RAV" line wasn't a brand. On that note: I'm glad we named the line the "Canada Line" instead of the "Olympic Line."

I wish it was named the Olympic Line. Would've been cool to continue the pattern of naming lines after recent events. As far as Evergreen Line goes, the name is really not that strong of a brand. Some mayor said that people in the region identify with it. Really? The average non-SSP nerd living in Coquitlam identifies with the Evergreen Line?