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It wasn't that long ago that the Beltline was around 16K. A total success story for sure, with more to come.
Even more impressive when you consider that their projections for the neighborhood in 2009 were to be at 19,336 by 2014 and 25,281 by 2024.

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How does that compare to neighbourhoods in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, etc?

I don't see us ever catching Toronto or Vancouver's density in the near future... There are just too many massive developments going in those cities, and too much available land in Calgary. That said, I suppose it all depends on how we define neighbourhood boundaries.

Density (alone) is not my wish for Calgary. I just want a livable, multimodal, healthy, happy city. Density in the right corridors, and especially in the inner city, will help to achieve that (ie. make better transit&retail feasible).
It's hard to do a direct comparison, as the Beltline area includes about 30 acres of vacant land east of Ariva, between the tracks and the Stampede grounds all the way to the Elbow, Stampede grounds, and a significant amount of office and other uses. Though a few of the TO neighborhoods outside of the CBD would have a large amount of office space as well.
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I wonder if eventually the really small suburbs will start to grow like our larger ones have? I'm talking Kathyrn, Delacour, Balzac, Glendale, Priddis, etc. That could end up making for quite a large metropolitan area, if the city decides to put the breaks on urban sprawl and allow mostly intensification.
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Airdrie population growth not slowing down at all, around 5,000 new residents, 10.76% annual growth:

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The results are in and Airdrie is now home to 54,891 residents, according to the 2014 Census.

Sharon Pollyck, manager of Legislative Services, presented the results of the 2014 Census to Airdrie City council on Aug. 5.

The number of new residents amounts to a 10.76 per cent increase over 2013.

In addition, a total of 1,773 new dwellings have sprung up in Airdrie. This reflects a 9.73 per cent increase over 2013.

Mayor Peter Brown’s initial reaction to the results was that it was “great news and not so great news with (the city) growing this quickly.”

Brown said he wasn’t surprised by the increase in population given the number of construction projects and permits that had been issued.

“Did I think it would surpass 10 per cent? Probably not,” he said.

“There’s great things that come with growth. There are great shopping opportunities. You see all these new commercial opportunities coming into Airdrie and the only reason it’s here is because of our growth,” he added.

“Where it hits us the most is on service levels. Every time we grow we need more schools, we need more police officers, we need more fire engines. We’re going to need an overpass or an underpass over one of our rail crossings sooner rather than later. Rush hour traffic is a little more challenging to get in and out of Airdrie.”

Pollyck indicated she was very pleased with the number of residents who completed the survey on the census website. Before the door-to-door census collection commenced on May 12, 49.56 per cent of residents had completed the census online. After the door-to-door collection began, a further 9.28 per cent, for a total of 58.84 per cent, visited the website to complete their census.

A total of 99.76 per cent of homeowners responded to the census. Only 47 homeowners did not respond to either the request to complete the survey online or to the door-to-door census collection.

Pollyck said completion of the census is important for the city for a variety of reasons. It helps with planning and development and provides the City with access to grants. Each person counted on the census amounts to $274 in grant revenue. Based on a population of 54,891, this equates to $1.4 million in increased revenue.

The greatest increases were seen in King’s Heights (781 new residents), Windsong (669 new residents), and in Airdrie’s downtown (559 new residents.) The greatest decrease was seen in Woodside where the neighbourhood lost 50 residents.

The average population per dwelling is now 2.74, up slightly from 2.72 in 2013.

Brenda Hume, executive director of North Rocky View Community Links, said her organization is definitely feeling the stress of all the new residents.

“For the fifth year in a row, Community Links has supported 22 per cent of Airdrie’s population in some way,” she explained. “People are definitely accessing and needing additional supports. It is putting a strain on our workloads. Our waitlists for counseling are running between six and eight weeks.”

“We are continually trying to meet the current need, as well as anticipating what we’ll need for future needs. It’s a complex situation.”

The census was conducted from April 5 through June 30, at a total cost of $52,000.

The City was also able to provide access to the online census collection system to 20 municipalities for a fee, resulting in $140,000 in revenue.
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I wonder if eventually the really small suburbs will start to grow like our larger ones have? I'm talking Kathyrn, Delacour, Balzac, Glendale, Priddis, etc. That could end up making for quite a large metropolitan area, if the city decides to put the breaks on urban sprawl and allow mostly intensification.
Industrial growth in Balzac is already happening.

Some of those other ones I can't see really intensifying until someday in the distant future when the city stretches out that far. Delacour is right beside a train track.

More likely is new subdivision "towns" popping up in various places.

I'd say a place like Conrich is more likely.
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I wonder if eventually the really small suburbs will start to grow like our larger ones have? I'm talking Kathyrn, Delacour, Balzac, Glendale, Priddis, etc. That could end up making for quite a large metropolitan area, if the city decides to put the breaks on urban sprawl and allow mostly intensification.
I don't believe there's actually any people actually living in Balzac - there's a few churches and business, a community center and that's about it. No actual residences. Kathryn might have 6 homes, Delacour might have 3 homes, Glendale has nothing, Priddis has no actual town site where there is a collection of homes.

As such, I don't see any of these places growing into anything of any substance as other more established hamlets/towns will grow instead.
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Industrial growth in Balzac is already happening.

Some of those other ones I can't see really intensifying until someday in the distant future when the city stretches out that far. Delacour is right beside a train track.

More likely is new subdivision "towns" popping up in various places.

I'd say a place like Conrich is more likely.
But the industrial growth in Balzac is not actually in Balzac no different than the industrial growth on the east side of Calgary north and south of Glenmore Trail. This is all just rural industrial parks in associated municipal districts - in the case of Balzac, businesses might have a PO box mailing address in Balzac but most of them certainly are not located in the boundaries of what would truly be considered Balzac.

Conrich - yupp, a growing place with respect to residential but it's almost all over-sized lots (under sized acreages) of which none would fit in well with how Calgary develops it's suburbs. Langdon would be a great example of a location with residential areas that are being developed more inline with how Calgary does things.
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But the industrial growth in Balzac is not actually in Balzac no different than the industrial growth on the east side of Calgary north and south of Glenmore Trail. This is all just rural industrial parks in associated municipal districts - in the case of Balzac, businesses might have a PO box mailing address in Balzac but most of them certainly are not located in the boundaries of what would truly be considered Balzac.

Conrich - yupp, a growing place with respect to residential but it's almost all over-sized lots (under sized acreages) of which none would fit in well with how Calgary develops it's suburbs. Langdon would be a great example of a location with residential areas that are being developed more inline with how Calgary does things.
I believe the plan for growth around Cross Iron Mills includes some residential phases. The industrial and retail growth there will eventually cause the residential growth, I imagine.

Conrich I can see growing significantly, with "proper" designed subdivisions in the future. There is actually something there to build around.

Langdon is already a bit bigger, but I imagine that it will continue to grow until it is mentioned much more often as one of the surrounding city/towns. It certainly could become a city like Airdrie or Cochrane are right now.
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Langdon is already a bit bigger, but I imagine that it will continue to grow until it is mentioned much more often as one of the surrounding city/towns. It certainly could become a city like Airdrie or Cochrane are right now.
Langdon's population in 2013 was 4897, which is more than the combined total of every other hamlet in Rockyview (Cochrane Lake at 792 is next then Bragg Creek at 454), and between 2006 and 2013 had an average annual growth of 12.4%. It also comprises nearly 13% of the population of Rockyview itself.

This puts it at about where Cochrane was size was in 1990. Langdon really is missing the commercial/industrial sector that Cochrane and Airdrie had when they were that size, but I don't think they've really wanted it either.
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Heres the 2013 census numbers for Rockyview's hamlets:


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So Calgary and airdrie alone now have 1.25 million between them.

Pretty cool that, in terms of municipal population, we are now in the company of Dallas and San Diego, and not far off Phoenix and San Antonio, and we have a smaller land area than all those cities. It is not outside the realm of possibility that within 15 years we may surpass philly and maybe even Montreal.
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I believe the plan for growth around Cross Iron Mills includes some residential phases. The industrial and retail growth there will eventually cause the residential growth, I imagine.

Conrich I can see growing significantly, with "proper" designed subdivisions in the future. There is actually something there to build around.

Langdon is already a bit bigger, but I imagine that it will continue to grow until it is mentioned much more often as one of the surrounding city/towns. It certainly could become a city like Airdrie or Cochrane are right now.
Melcor has a Balzac project that has been on hold for a decade., Rocky View Creek is west side of the tracks and North of the general store ( AKA the actual hamlet boundaries). It is supposed to be a 55 plus residential/ Golf course

A higher (relatively) density residential concept was once discussed (homberg?) for north of Hwy 566 and east of range road 292 (roughly kitty corner to the Costco) but I don't think it actually got to a development application.

Conrich has an area structure plan under review I recall the idea was to start filling out westward from the existing developments. A couple of kilometers to the east is a plans for a 1500 dwelling community called Buffalo Hills.

The big growth in RVC will be north of the Springbank Airport. Harmony is supposed to break ground this summer with a build-out of about 10,000. It will be similar to Langdon for density.

Rocky View County could add about 18,000 over the next decade.
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Still not sure how Okotoks and that whole MD aren't part of Calgary's CMA, being just south of the city limits

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City with small-town soul plans for impressive growt

BY MARTY HOPE, FOR THE CALGARY HERALD AUGUST 11, 2014



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Okotoks gets ready for the big boom with 60-year-plan

Adrian Shellard/For Calgary Herald Kelly and Kevin Kerr in their home in Okotoks, a city that is set to grow bigger and better over the next few decades.
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No longer a sleepy bedroom community for Calgary, Okotoks has a 60-year growth plan that could see the population triple, says a town official.

One key element in bringing the impressive plan to reality is a “safe and secure source of water,” says municipal manager Rick Quail.

“Discussions and negotiations with the City of Calgary are ongoing and we hope to secure an agreement this year,” Quail says.

In addition, the town is talking with the provincial government for funding support to have a water pipeline up and operating in five years, he says.

The town hopes to complete the annexation of2,300 hectares of land from the MD of Foothills in a couple of years - landthat will eventually push the town's population to an estimated 82,000 from the currenttotal of just over 27,000.

By 2024, the forecast is for a population of 40,000.

“That’s big numbers, big growth,” says Quail, adding that in 2012 the town removed the population cap of 30,000 that it had imposed in 1998.

From a residential development perspective there are five major projects underway — Cimarron by Tristar Communities Inc., Air Ranch by Bordeaux Developments, Mountain View by Apex Land, Sheep River Cove by Dreamwest Homes, and Westmount by Prominence Development Corp.

On the resale side, activity in the town has increased by 30 per cent year over year as of June. In the second quarter, the Calgary Real Estate Board tallied 273 sales at an average price of $436,000.

In 2013-14, the town recorded a growth rate of 3.4 per cent, according to Shane Olson, economic development team leader for Okotoks. And 2011 federal census figures rated the town as one of the fastest growing census metropolitan areas in Canada during the previous five years. This year, the forecast is for housing starts to total 250.

“Under the agreed-to Calgary Metropolitan Land Use Plan, we will be striving for density of eight to 10 houses per acre from the present four to five with the completion of the water pipeline,” says Olson.

As for being called a bedroom community, Olson says that just isn’t true any longer.

“We have 1,500 people commute to Okotoks every day to work in many of the 1,200 businesses in the town. We’re more of a full-service community now.”

There is a mix of stores, such as Walmart, Canadian Tire, Costco and Sobeys, and several dining chain outlets to go along with smaller local businesses. Olson says the split between storefront and home-based businesses is about 50-50.

“Business growth will come along with population growth,” he says.

When Tristar Communities Inc. laid claim to some 290 hectares of raw farmland in the mid-1990s, the population of the town was less than 10,000. Now, some 20 years later, Cimarron is a full-service community with a vast array of housing styles and price points — “something for everybody,” says Tristar general manager Moez Moledina.

What is likely thought of as the elder statesman of Okotoks community development, Cimarron is putting the finishing touches on phases 40 and 41. When all is said and done in a couple of years, the massive community will have built an estimated 2,500 homes.

“We’ve been doing 100-plus units a year for the past 10 years. That’s how fast this town has been growing,” Moledina says. The 40th phase of the pioneering community has 36 larger lots, and when the 41st and final phase comes to the market next year it will have 65 lots.

“The country estate product being built by our two builders — Timber Creek Homes and Coco Homes — is something you won’t see all that often in Calgary because of the lot sizes, 70 to 85 feet wide and covering 12,000 to 15,000 square feet,” Moledina says.

Kevin and Kelly Kerr have lived their whole lives in rural southern Alberta and that wasn’t about to change when they married. They signed the purchase contract with Timber Creek Homes in January, 2013, sold their home in the Sunshine Meadows neighbourhood of High River after the devastating flood of that June, and took possession of their three-bedroom, 1,800-square-foot Timber Creek bungalow in the Cimarron community in Okotoks that fall.

“We wanted a bigger home and Okotoks was the only rural community with a country estate area,” says Kevin. “We were looking for something where we weren’t being crowded by neighbours.”

In Cimarron, the Kerrs still have that small-town feel as well as the benefit of being in a live-work-play environment with all the amenities of shopping, dining and lifestyle close at hand.

Moledina has watched Okotoks grow and had an active hand in bringing Cimarron into the development spotlight.

“I’ve been working in Okotoks since 1994 (initially with Genstar Development),” says Moledina from the entrance to the two country estates phases.

Tristar will not be saying goodbye to Okotoks with the completion of Cimarron.

“We are looking at a couple of quarter-sections in the southwest part of town that are currently being considered for annexation,” says Moledina. In addition to feeling the positive impact of the Deerfoot Trail extension and the appeal of a slower-paced rural lifestyle, Moledina feels the proposal by the City of Calgary to limit development in suburban areas within the city has provided a boost for Okotoks.

“Absolutely that has played a role in the growth here,” he says. “People will continue to go where they have more choice about where and what they can build.”

Population pipeline links Okotoks and England

It’s no British invasion, but for a town its size, Okotoks has its fair share of accent from the old sod.

And Ian Wisdom of CIR ­Realty’s Okotoks office had a role in relocating folks from the United Kingdom to the growing but still small city just south of Calgary’s corporate limits. Until 2009, Wisdom was part of an immigration trade show movement that would visit locations in Great Britain with information and assistance for those eager to relocate. And, he recalls, there was a lot of interest from Brits on what Okotoks had to offer.

“For the British, Okotoks reminded them of the market towns they grew up with — small and friendly,” he says. “That’s what many of them were looking for.”

On these trade-show trips, the doors opened Friday and by the end of the weekend, Wisdom says it wasn’t unusual for him to come away with 90 or so leads to follow up on. During the time the trade shows were popular, he estimates hundreds took up residence in Okotoks. But in 2009, the trade show era ended with the collapse of the international economy, the decline in the housing market in the U.K., and the increased use of the Internet.
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^ CMA vs not has to do with commuting patterns iirc.
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^ CMA vs not has to do with commuting patterns iirc.
Yeah; basically how it works is that 50% of the workers in an area have to work in the "urban core" of the CMA to be included; for our purposes, IIRC Calgary is the "urban core". However, CMAs are required to be spatially contiguous; that is, there can be no holes or disconnected bits in a CMA. So the question is not whether 50% of Okotoks workers work in Calgary (they do; 52% based on the NHS), but whether the enlarged area that includes Okotoks and is contiguous with Calgary has 50% workers. This would include Foothills MD (64% work in Calgary), as well as the towns inside Foothills; High River (25%), Black Diamond, Turner Valley, Longview and the Eden Valley reservation.

By the time you add it up, only 49.5% of the workers actually work in Calgary. And because this is a sample - and thanks to The Harper Government a biased, flawed sample that is unreliable - there is probably enough uncertainty around these numbers that it's a coin toss in the real world. But official numbers are official, so there you have it.

Of course, today, the Okotoks/Foothills/High River area would probably qualify to join the CMA - Okotoks in particular has grown substantially since 2011. High River has probably lost population, sadly due to the 2013 floods.
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So at 49.5%, they're probably very close to tipping over to 50+%. I wonder how long it will be? Probably not until the 2021 federal census.
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Well Okotoks is a bedroom community of Calgary, and as they continue to grow fast I expect that ratio to tip over 50% for the MD in a hurry.
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They may have already, I just mean that because of that, it won't be added to the CMA officially until the 2021 census.

It's similar to the way CAs turn into CMAs. A CA has to be recognized at over 100 000 in one census in order to be qualified as a CMA in the next census (similar to what is happening to Lethbridge in 2016, because of 2011). Just as with Calgary and Hamilton, their extra-metropolitan areas have to qualify to become part of the CMA in one census to actually become part of it in the next. This is just a semi-educated theory though. Neither Calgary's Foothills or Hamilton's Haldimand qualified for it in the last census, but are likely to qualify in this coming census, but not being included until the census after that.
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I wonder if eventually the really small suburbs will start to grow like our larger ones have? I'm talking Kathyrn, Delacour, Balzac, Glendale, Priddis, etc. That could end up making for quite a large metropolitan area, if the city decides to put the breaks on urban sprawl and allow mostly intensification.
I'll echo the comments that some of these are basically just a rail siding with a name, and maybe we should also add De Winton. But I'm curious if any of these locations has a water supply to support a village or town? Does Airdrie get its water from Calgary?
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I'll echo the comments that some of these are basically just a rail siding with a name, and maybe we should also add De Winton. But I'm curious if any of these locations has a water supply to support a village or town? Does Airdrie get its water from Calgary?
Airdrie does now, as does Strathmore. Cochrane treats its own, but ships its sewage to Calgary (so does Airdrie). Okotoks is pursuing getting water from Calgary. Strathmore treats its own sewage. Chestermere also relies fully on Calgary for clean water and sending sewage back.

To my knowledge all the rest exist on well systems with the only exception I'm aware of really being Bragg Creek having a treatment plant (if theirs is built yet, I know they had gotten funding for it but there was other complications)
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