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Old Posted Aug 6, 2014, 2:24 PM
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Woodframe buildings tend to stick around much longer than 40 years. They simply move slowly downmarket over the decades, and generally remain rentals.

Even if a building loses half its value, it might be worth $150,000 per unit. For 150 units that's $22,500,000. If it's one acre, that's a hell of an expensive way to get developable land...double the price for even the latest Union Station sale if I recall. The cost and expense of kicking people out and demolishing isn't trivial either.
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Woodframe buildings tend to stick around much longer than 40 years. They simply move slowly downmarket over the decades, and generally remain rentals.

Even if a building loses half its value, it might be worth $150,000 per unit. For 150 units that's $22,500,000. If it's one acre, that's a hell of an expensive way to get developable land...double the price for even the latest Union Station sale if I recall. The cost and expense of kicking people out and demolishing isn't trivial either.
Single story 1 1/2" x 3 1/2" (the real 2x4 in 2014) can last a long time, if put on a secure foundation.

Two story stick walls do too.

Where the problem will occur, IMO, will be in 4, 5, and, 6 story stick wall structures. At this level, controlling the expansion and contraction of wood sticks vis-à-vis brick (nicest) or painted sawdust board (yuck) become a concern long term.

Remember, that old stickwall construction was real 2x4, 2x6, 2x8, based construction.

Before stickwall construction, wood framing involved massive wood beams, whose surface area to mass ratio was far lower than what we see today. In addition, older multistory wood frame construction tended to use massive cladding, such as dense bricks (higher radon, LOL), which were attached to very massive wooden beams. This both reduced the net fire risk, as well as kept the costs of water damage due to roof and plumbing leaks to a minimum (real wood floors handle damage far better than carpet, or wood veneer on chipboard suspended by thin wood and chip board box trusses.)

IMO, the longevity of what is being built today that is taller than 3 stories of stick wall is unknown. Having seen high quality construction and looked at hundreds of stick wall structures, I have my doubts about how long our 2014 4-5-6+ story stick wall construction will endure. Likewise, I have serious doubts about the long term maintenance cost curves with respect to time.

This quality, IMO, changes the dynamics of long term occupancy. After, who with any construction and/or applicable engineering experience ever buy such a unit as a condo.

IMO, by 2030, many such apartment units will be for sale, after the original costs have been amortized and expensed out. At that point, relative to new construction such units will be cheap to purchase as they will be expensive to repair by that time (unless one "slums" it) The rent, of course, will be lower as most units being built today will look shabby.
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IMO, the longevity of what is being built today that is taller than 3 stories of stick wall is unknown. Having seen high quality construction and looked at hundreds of stick wall structures, I have my doubts about how long our 2014 4-5-6+ story stick wall construction will endure. Likewise, I have serious doubts about the long term maintenance cost curves with respect to time.
Heed this engineers: your ability to design a building that can last longer then 30 years is highly suspect compared to the vast knowledge of Wizened- transportation, economics, finance, and engineering expert.

Granted, there is a realistic project life that something is designed for, but I doubt that 30 years is that requirement.
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Woodframes from the 1960s-1980s are my main evidence on the stability front. Those buildings tend to be doing ok, assuming they're maintained. They're showing their age and cheaper than they were, but still decent housing. (I don't claim any builder knowledge on the woodframe side!)

Given that they're not falling apart, it becomes a matter of economics. If developable vacant land is $100-200/sf, and the equivalent with a 1975 woodframe is $500/sf, the woodframe stays.

In fact, tearing down a viable building rarely works unless land values are extremely high, which generally means the new building is much larger. In the above example, when land prices are substantially higher than $500/sf, it'll make sense. They won't get that high unless it's a highrise zone and highrise lots are in reasonably short supply.
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There is exactly one who seems to own it. If you're claiming with a straight face that only one exists then I have a "New Urbanism" development concept at an old airport site to sell you.
HAHA, fair enough
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Single story 1 1/2" x 3 1/2" (the real 2x4 in 2014) can last a long time, if put on a secure foundation.

Two story stick walls do too.

Where the problem will occur, IMO, will be in 4, 5, and, 6 story stick wall structures. At this level, controlling the expansion and contraction of wood sticks vis-à-vis brick (nicest) or painted sawdust board (yuck) become a concern long term.

Remember, that old stickwall construction was real 2x4, 2x6, 2x8, based construction.

Before stickwall construction, wood framing involved massive wood beams, whose surface area to mass ratio was far lower than what we see today. In addition, older multistory wood frame construction tended to use massive cladding, such as dense bricks (higher radon, LOL), which were attached to very massive wooden beams. This both reduced the net fire risk, as well as kept the costs of water damage due to roof and plumbing leaks to a minimum (real wood floors handle damage far better than carpet, or wood veneer on chipboard suspended by thin wood and chip board box trusses.)

IMO, the longevity of what is being built today that is taller than 3 stories of stick wall is unknown. Having seen high quality construction and looked at hundreds of stick wall structures, I have my doubts about how long our 2014 4-5-6+ story stick wall construction will endure. Likewise, I have serious doubts about the long term maintenance cost curves with respect to time.

This quality, IMO, changes the dynamics of long term occupancy. After, who with any construction and/or applicable engineering experience ever buy such a unit as a condo.

IMO, by 2030, many such apartment units will be for sale, after the original costs have been amortized and expensed out. At that point, relative to new construction such units will be cheap to purchase as they will be expensive to repair by that time (unless one "slums" it) The rent, of course, will be lower as most units being built today will look shabby.
LOL, 2x4s haven't actually been 2x4s for 80+ years...I used to do structural engineering for homes which included renovation and repairs (pop tops, scrapes, additions, etc.), and I can tell you that homes built today are generally of much much higher quality than the stick framed homes built in the 1900s in terms of structural integrity, foundations, weather tightness, resistance against lateral loads, etc. Many of the older stick framed homes around, when you really look at the "bones", are actually not that great.

Wood will last a very long time as long as you don't have termites (which we mostly don't in the metro area, though they have started making a come back this year due to the higher humidity) and don't let water in behind the exterior surfaces. There is no reason to believe these stick framed 3+ story structures won't last a long time as long as they are maintained properly which can be said about any buildings. Shrinkage and drying of the wood framing is more of a nuisance issue than a structural integrity issue.

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Heed this engineers: your ability to design a building that can last longer then 30 years is highly suspect compared to the vast knowledge of Wizened- transportation, economics, finance, and engineering expert.

Granted, there is a realistic project life that something is designed for, but I doubt that 30 years is that requirement.
Very true, most structures are "realistically" designed for a 40-50 year service life, though obviously they can go much longer if properly maintained.
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Haven't seen this kind of build in Denver for a while. Core first, structure later. Triangle is bookin' it!


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IMO, by 2030, many such apartment units will be for sale, after the original costs have been amortized and expensed out. At that point, relative to new construction such units will be cheap to purchase as they will be expensive to repair by that time (unless one "slums" it) The rent, of course, will be lower as most units being built today will look shabby.

Unless you have some kind of crystal ball to see what these developments will look like in 40 years...your constant rants about this are trying my nerves.

I get bunts rants, I understand where he's coming from on affordability and all. I totally do.

But we're just going on and on and on about wood structures. So what!!! So we don't use steel on every damn structure. So we don't use plaster and lath any more and houses made of nothing but brick. Im not trying to be some senseless booster, yay Denver...build build build...we're the best city in the world...yay yay yay!! Argh--I'm not even going to continue and this really isn't aimed at anyone else but Wizened.

I feel like you think you're nothing more than the Omnipotent Sage of everything Denver and the world! When in fact, I remember, in your first few posts you didn't even know how to spell some of Denver's streets properly. Look, not a personal attack, but please enough about the wood structures, and your seedy slums, etc. etc.

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There is no reason to believe these stick framed 3+ story structures won't last a long time as long as they are maintained properly which can be said about any buildings.
What does it mean to maintain the wood frame structure of a home? Am I supposed to take off the siding and Thompson's WaterSeal my framing every 5 years? Or are you really just saying to plug leaks when you notice them?
     
     
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Prices for today's old woodframes aren't a mystery....buildings are sold all the time.
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What does it mean to maintain the wood frame structure of a home? Am I supposed to take off the siding and Thompson's WaterSeal my framing every 5 years? Or are you really just saying to plug leaks when you notice them?
Yes, plug leaks when you notice them, replace the caulking around windows when its time, fix siding if damaged, tuck-pointing brick mortar, etc. Roofing is a big part of it too, as a big majority of water damage in the walls comes through the roof. Asphalt roofing has a service life of about 20-25 years (yes they are called 25-30 year, but probably don't expect them to last that long, especially in CO with our UV and hail) so replacing those when the are worn goes a long way these days. The wood frame and sheathing should be maintenance free over the life of the home.

New wood frame production home construction in Colorado is actually very good, pretty much all the homes are now framed with plywood sheets fully covering the outside , and air/water housing wrap barrier on the outside of the plywood just under the siding, and ice/water barrier on the roof below the shingles. Keeps things nice and water tight.

They didn't do construction like this in the 90s or before (where they used masonite boards and lower quality materials...70s, 80s, 90s probably saw the least robust construction methods used). This is also a reason homes have gotten more pricey, but they really are a better product these days from a longevity standpoint. Same with these multistory residential developments, these incorporate a lot of building construction practices that go a long way toward longevity of the structure...though obviously mistakes can be made like at the Beauvillon, but those are more the exception and not the rule.
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EngiNerd... Awesome comment. Thanks for taking the time.
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Is Taxi really that different in density than the 3500 Rockmont development? ... In my mind they cannot all be Denargo Market or Prospect style developments, at least not without some serious commitment on the developers part.
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Oh look, another big overpriced rental project. #whocares #notme
I've been assuming that 3500 Rockmont will provide lower cost rentals and maybe even be more family friendly. Clearly this should make bunt_q happy.
If so, it's product that we need more of and it's out of the way enough that Wong's Elitist friends shouldn't be bothered.
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I bet the average building full of $1,700 one-bedrooms (for example) is full of people making $60,000-90,000. In San Francisco people routinely pay absurd percentages of their takehome toward rent, like 65%. That's much of the difference between cheap cities and expensive ones....incomes play a role, but mostly people pay higher percentages of their incomes, while also reducing square footage. So maybe in Denver a lot of people pay 40%, and the ones without cars often pay 50%.

I'll repeat another point I've been making back home: New construction will always be expensive because it costs a lot to build. But buildings age, and that's where you get cheap units. Today's cheap housing is often what was built in the 1970s, or even 1990s to a degree. It's cheap because it's been supplanted by newer housing that pushes it down the chain, in contrast to SF/Man which don't have enough new supply to do that.
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An important note about that "89% of the units under construction in Toronto are sold" statistic that I learned on my trip to Toronto last year:

Toronto has rent control which discourages developers from building for-rent apartment towers from scratch. Therefore, the way it works there is that the new residential towers are built as "for sale" units with a big percentage of the units purchased by investors who then rent them out. Most of the 89% "sold" units will actually be rentals. Add in the 11% that are built at rentals, and well over 50% (probably like 60-70%) of the new 46,000+ units are rental apartments in reality.
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Looks like a new developer, same plans and now that all the litigation is over (at least I think it is), five-story buildings after all? http://insiderealestatenews.com/
What a delicious News Flash. I've noticed that Alliance likes good locations. I believe they previously bought the unfinished land part of a Cherry Creek project as well.
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It's Starwood Capital- a privately held real estate investment firm. While once having an interest in Starwood resorts, it divested itself in 2000. So, no affiliation with W Hotels.
...and Starwood Property Trust (STWD) is the nation's largest commercial mortgage REIT and is managed by Starwood Capital Group.


bunt_q... Just from clicking around and getting snapshots...
  • Seattle... for all that's already under construction the mid-year report, I believe, showed only one condo project but many apartment projects. I'm sure there are condos under consideration though.
  • Minneapolis has some condo construction but it's in the suburbs. They do have some nice apartment towers being built downtown.
  • Austin is the one city where new condos are a factor downtown. But that's a unique case and understandable.
  • Atlanta, Birmingham, Orlando all have nice apartment projects under construction and being proposed. Condos not so much.
I'd think there's some building demand for condos in Denver but this has been an apartment craze phase all over the country.
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New wood frame production home construction in Colorado is actually very good, pretty much all the homes are now framed with plywood sheets fully covering the outside , and air/water housing wrap barrier on the outside of the plywood just under the siding, and ice/water barrier on the roof below the shingles. Keeps things nice and water tight.
Actually, they use OSB most of the time on the exterior and not plywood. Even the floors are usually OSB. Just a little water on that is a bad thing. And, the building wrap (which is a weather barrier not a vapor barrier) only goes so far if the building is not flashed properly and painting and caulking are not maintained. You really need to make sure you paint and caulk every 10 years or so.

But, in general, if you take a care of a wood frame building it should last indefinitely.
     
     
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Here's an article from the Colorado Real Estate paid edition. Sorry can't link to it, but heres the content from August 6, 2014


Arapahoe Square: Denver’s Next Frontier
John Rebchook

Arapahoe Square is a vast rectangular wasteland of surface parking lots, underdeveloped buildings and homeless shelters between Denver’s central business district and Five Points/ Curtis Points area. It touches edges of far trendier areas such as Ballpark, LoDo and Uptown. At 96 acres, Arapahoe Square is almost four times the size of the much more successful Riverfront Park behind Union Station.

City leaders for more than 15 years have targeted Arapahoe Square as the next big development opportunity in Denver. At long last, Arapahoe Square ’ s time may be arriving.

“That is absolutely right , ” said Tracy Huggins, executive director of the Denver Urban Renewal Authority. “We have been watching this area for a very long time,” she said. “Basically, this is the next frontier for Denver,” Huggins said. Ryan Arnold, a senior associate with JLL, couldn’t agree more. Arnold has been listing the Greyhound bus depot that occupies an entire block in Arapahoe Square for more than four years. It is a prime redevelopment site that is expected to be a huge catalyst for other development in the area.

“Arapahoe Square is real,” Arnold said. “If you look at how Denver is growing with everything around Union Square and everything, the next big opportunities are going to be in RiNo and Arapahoe Square,” Arnold said. Huggins noted that the city and DURA have focused on Arapahoe Square in studies in 1997, 2000, 2007 and 2011, and found the same challenges needed to be overcome for the neighborhood to reach its full potential. “We have not seen any projects come out of it yet,” Huggins said.

But as developments continue in areas like Ballpark, developers and investors will start to stake out claims along the edges of Arapahoe Square and move inward, she said. “Then, we will have the challenge of Broadway dissecting Arapahoe Square diagonally,” she said. “That makes it a little tricky,” she said. Given its proximity to the core central business district, why has it been such a challenge to develop? “I think part of it is that the land use there currently includes a lot of surface parking lots,” Huggins said.

Some of the most affordable parking lots in Denver are found in Arapahoe Square, making them extremely popular for those willing to walk to work. A number of the lots often fill before 8 a.m. during the week. “Those lots are very good revenue generators for the owners and that makes the land very expensive” for other developments, Huggins said. still, she said that the area is gaining momentum.

In large part that is because the Downtown Denver Partnership has never taken if eye off Arapahoe Square and is aggressively marketing and promoting it, she said. “The Downtown Denver Partnership makes sure that studies that include Arapahoe Square do not just sit on the shelf and gather dust,” she said.

“The Downtown Denver Partnership has done just an outstanding job with Arapahoe Square,” Huggins said. “The hope is that (Arapahoe Square) will evolve into a vibrant, mixed-use, mixed-income district that is primarily residential with some key retail locations,” said Brian Phetteplace, senior manager of economic development for the Downtown Denver Partnership. He agrees with Huggins that that Arapahoe Square is a challenging area. “Fractured land ownership is one of the reasons it has taken so long for development to take off,” Phetteplace said.

“Another reason is that other areas of downtown had catalytic elements developed that accelerated development and shone the spotlight them – Denver Union Station, Central Platte Valley and Highland, for example,” he said.

He also agreed with Huggins that Arapahoe Square is one of the top priorities for the partnership. “We are in the process of educating and promoting the area to developers, investors and other industry professionals to draw their attention to the possibilities and opportunities,” he said. A number of projects are either under construction or have been recently completed, either in Arapahoe Square proper or near its borders. They include the Douglas, 2020 Lawrence, Solera, the Mile High United Way headquarters, Renaissance Stout Street Lofts and Harbor Lights, he said.

Arnold, of JLL, is representing several clients who are looking at existing buildings in Arapahoe Square as development opportunities. “The zoning for the area is going to be reviewed later this year,” Phetteplace said. “Currently I believe it allows for approximately 12-story buildings closest to the CBD and stepping down from there as you head towards Curtis Park,” he said.

One place that could accommodate even taller buildings is the 106,685-square-foot Greyhound bus station at Arapahoe and Curtis streets on 19th Street. “It is zoned B-5 so there is really no height limit,” Arnold said. “The maximum density would depend on the use.” “It is a great redevelopment site,” Arnold said. “It is the only full city block in Arapahoe Square that is under one ownership.”

Dallas-based Greyhound Lines Inc. has long known that the parking facility is not the best and highest use of the site. “The problem has been finding a suitable site for relocating the parking garage,” Arnold said. Greyhound Lines, he said, internally is working on where it wants to be in the next 20 years, which could include the disposition of that site. “I am hoping to get some direction in the fourth quarter, with hopes of bringing it to the market in the first quarter of 2015,” he said.

Arnold said he thinks the best and highest use of the site would be either a hotel or an office, or a combination of the two, with retail. He said that at the other end of the area, United Way’s decision to move its headquarters to a new building along Park Avenue West between Stout and California streets is huge. “It’s technically in Curtis Park and not Arapahoe Square, but it’s very close to Arapahoe Square and the area is going to benefit from it,” Arnold said. “That is a huge commitment to the area,” he said.

The new United Way headquarters and the future redevelopment of the Greyhound garage could serve as ends of a barbell, helping to bring life to the vast stretches of land between them, he said. Huggins said she is excited about Arapahoe Square’s prospects. “I stumbled upon an old slide of Arapahoe Square and found the concerns of 20 years ago were the same concerns we have today,” she said. But she is convinced that city leaders won’t be saying that two decades from now. “I’m really excited and bullish about Arapahoe Square,” Huggins said. “Like I said before, Arapahoe Square really is Denver’s next frontier.”

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OK heres another article from Colorado Real Estate Journal paid edition from August 6, 2014. This one is about Eviva in Golden Triangle.


Tower Mixes Luxury, Sustainability

John Rebchook

An Atlanta-based developer with a decade-long history in Denver will start construction this September on one of the tallest apartment towers in Denver. The Atlanta-based Integral Group and Denver-based Charter Realty Group LLC plan develop the 18-story, 274-unit, energy-efficient Eviva Cherokee tower in the heart of the Golden Triangle at 1250 Cherokee St. The tower, two stories taller than a competing 16-story apartment building under construction a few blocks away at 1000 Speer Blvd., will be completed in about 18 months.

Eviva is a brand of ultramodern, highly energy-efficient properties. Eviva Cherokee will be a Gold LEED-certified building when completed. “First and foremost, we are generally seeing a trend nationally of these tall, higher-density infill developments doing better and commanding higher rates than low-rise and midrise buildings,” said Christopher Martorella, president of Integral Investment Management.

“And in many respects, this part of Denver lends itself well to this kind of very high-end building filled with first-class amenities,” he said. The Golden Triangle is the perfect setting for the tower, he said. “We think the Golden Triangle is just a great neighborhood with its proximity to downtown and the Denver Art Museum, the library, and an increasing number of businesses and restaurants opening in the neighborhood.”

Former Denver developer Bruce Berger, who kicked off some of the first loft projects in the Golden Triangle in the mid- 1990s, contended that ultimately the Golden Triangle will have more cachet than places such as LoDo because of its proximity to the Denver Art Museum. In New York, Chicago, San Francisco and other major cities, housing near museums, libraries and other cultural attractions prosper more than real estate near sporting venues, such as the Pepsi Center and Coors Field, Berger argued. “I would agree with him,” Martorella said. “I think a very diverse, eclectic and interesting type of person is drawn to the Golden Triangle.

Our main objective as a developer is to connect the diverse facets of the communities where we build; this is no exception,” Martorella said. He expects the high-rise living to attract a broad base of residents. “Eviva Cherokee is designed to attract renters of all ages, from Gen Y to baby boomers looking for a new standard in luxury living within a thriving neighborhood,” Martorella said. Everything about Eviva Cherokee will be top-of-the-line, he said. The full-height, floor-to-ceiling windows and private balconies will maximize the breathtaking views from the units, he said. “We put a lot of thought into these big windows that will provide our residents with unbelievable, unobstructed views of the mountains and downtown,” Martorella said.

Financing is in place for the tower, although he declined to name of the lender at this time. Records show that the 37,600-square-foot parcel, a parking lot, on Cherokee Street sold for $4.6 million, or $122.80 per sf. For comparison, Trammell Crow Residential recently paid $11.85 million, or $60.69 per sf, for a parcel at the community under way at the former St. Anthony Hospital campus across from Sloan’s Lake. TCR’s purchase included an existing 709-unit parking garage. Integral paid the equivalent of $16,806 per unit, which is “quite reasonable,” said John Winslow, principal of Win- Comps LLC. Trammell Crow Residential paid the equivalent of $32,027 per unit, although since that deal included a parking garage, it is difficult to make a direct comparison.

In any case, “They work for both developments,” said Winslow, who was not involved in either transaction, but is a longtime observer of the market. “It is a functionality of the price per buildable unit and the price per buildable sf that determines the validity of the purchase price,” Winslow said. Eviva Cherokee will have a variety of studio, one- and two-bedroom units, as well as towhome-style units wrapped around a courtyard. Units will range in size from about 550 square feet to 1,150 sf, with an average size of about 850 sf.

Martorella declined to discuss the anticipated rents at this point, “But we are targeting the very top of the market. We have found in other parts of the country that people will pay a premium for buildings that will have the best locations and the highest levels of amenities.” The units are described as having “industrial-chic” aesthetic of exposed concrete columns and ceilings that provide a backdrop to the more refined, ultra-modern fixtures and finishes. Skip Ahern of Charter Management introduced Martorella to the site. “Skip is a great guy and a very strong advocate for the Golden Triangle,” Martorella said. “The Golden Triangle is such an amazing neighborhood and vibrant living space that our new project will fit in perfectly and add to the contextual fabric of this wonderful urban environment,” Ahern said.

“With world-class museums and new ones being added concurrently with our project, we will bring new life and vibrancy to the neighborhood,” Ahern said. “Eviva Cherokee will add a level of sophistication and urban charm to help the Golden Triangle fulfill its potential,” he said. The main amenity level will feature a fitness center that includes aerobics/yoga studios and a locker room/workout facility. Eviva Cherokee also will feature a conference center and business lounge complete with professional prep kitchen and private wine room. The elevated amenity deck will sport a resort-style swimming pool and a sunning deck that is surrounded by private cabanas, community barbecue grills, fire pits and a poolside bar. Nestled against the pool will be an outdoor amphitheater with raised landscaped beds. The interior hospitality amenities include a high-end sports bar with ample seating and semiprivate dining areas for entertaining friends and guests.

Eviva Cherokee is one of several Eviva-brand offerings that will begin to appear in key markets across the United States, including Atlanta, Dallas and San Francisco. Eviva Cherokee is collabora collaboration between Integral and The Beck Group, a design-build project delivery firm with offices in Dallas, Fort Worth and Austin, Texas; Tampa, Fla.; and Mexico City. “We partnered with Integral to create a unique residential experience that combines hospitality amenities and resortstyle living and also responds to the elevated expectations of this culturally sophisticated neighborhood,” said David Morris, design principal with the Beck Group. “The goal was to create an authentically modern design response that both celebrates and respects the cultural and creative spirit of the arts/ museum district in which it is located,” Morris said.

In addition to the design, aesthetics and amenities, Martorella said he thinks residents will appreciate that it will be a Gold LEED-certified building. “First and foremost, sustainability is part of our platform and is an issue we take very seriously and is part of all of our projects,” Martorella said. “It’s not only important to us personally, but we think it will be important to our residents,” he said. “They will appreciate that it is good for the environment and the world, but also will save them money on their utility bills,” Martorella said.

Also, Integral plans to be a long-term owner and building a green building makes sense both in terms of quality and long-term savings, he said. “Yes, getting a Gold certification adds a few percentage points to the construction costs, but long term it will more than pay for itself, both as far as energy savings and in helping to attract residents,” he said. As an exit strategy, he has no plans to convert Eviva Cherokee into condos. “Never say never, but that is not part of our strategy,” Martorella said. “That said, one of the things that we really liked about the Golden Triangle is that it is a neighborhood that predominately has owner-occupants, and the housing is mostly high-end,” Martorella said. “It wouldn’t be shocking if someone approached us at some point who wants to buy it to convert it into condos,” he said.

Martorella said that he remains bullish on Denver because of its strong economy and its attractiveness to young professionals, and despite unprecedented construction activity in and around downtown. “We monitor the supply very carefully and take it very seriously,” Martorella said. “Most of the construction is taking place around Union Station and LoHi, so another appeal of the Golden Triangle to us is that it's not quite that busy as far as new product coming on line,” he said.

Eviva Cherokee won’t be Integral’s last project in Denver.

“We will be making other announcements in the coming months,” Martorella said.
     
     
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DownhomeDenver Thanks for posting; it was a good read.

I really like United Way's new building. Other than an isolated development project, I suspect that Arapaho Square catching on is a good decade away still. A lot will depend on the economy.
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Thanks again for posting. Love it. So this Eviva Cherokee project may indeed be real. Even though we hadn't read much about it I wondered if it might be. I wondered if they might have their financing already lined up. Hmm, September is only days away at this point.

I think Aviva might just be my new favorite. I could move into this one, order a hard copy of the Denver Post to be delivered to Dozens and roll out of bed in the morning knowing that a hot cup of coffee and the real Denver Post was awaiting my arrival.

Also it seems (as I had speculated) that Aviva Cherokee is their Virgin project to be duplicated in other cities.
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Arapahoe Square...they mention other areas had a catalyst but make no mention of identifying or promoting a catalyst for AS. Perhaps that is why 15 years later nothing much has happened, maybe ya know an actual square or kick ass park, a public/private partnership to get the area moving. Doesn't seem that complicated.
     
     
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