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I think unrealistic expectations may have been behind this. It sounds like they were partly expecting some kind of 19th century scene of trappers running through the bush on snowshoes and not 21st century G8 advanced economy urbanization.

The funny thing is that the car-centric suburbia of North America is not that different than what you see in the outer parts of European cities... I mean, even charming old Paris is surrounded by freeways lined by gas stations, big boxes and their Tim Hortons. It's a part of Europe that really only became known to me on my most recent trip there, which was the first time I rented a car on that continent... it's surprising how much it looks like "home" when you get outside of the old towns.
This and also what others have said.

If they were here for five weeks and took in Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec City and Halifax plus wilderness areas, there was more than enough to keep busy in the wilds AND the city centres for them not to be overwhelmed by motor vehicles and super highways.

When I drove from Florence to Venice recently to see both cities, what stuck in my mind afterwards (and for perpetuity thankfully) wasn't the jammed up autostrada with chaotic Autogrill rest stops and Safety Tutor automated speed control gantries, let me tell you.

Now, there is no shortage of cities on this continent, including many in Canada, where there is "no there there'' in the centre of town. But these places they went, though not perfect, aren't these types of North American cities at all.
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2014, 2:20 PM
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^ And even in the older parts of Paris... people drive like they are hunting down pedestrians for sport.
Considered by many to be the most famous and most beautiful street in the world, the Champs-Élysées nonetheless has about 10 lanes of vehicular traffic.

I believe this is far wider than any city street (non-expressway) in any Canadian city.
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I can think of one remaining cloverleaf in Calgary, at Barlow and 16th. Lots of parclos.

Calgary's roads alternate between freeway and at grade because of changes made to routings after community protests in the 70's as well as the boom-bust economy which left many projects incomplete.

I would think Kelowna, Edmonton, Saskatoon, Regina, KW, London, Quebec City and maybe even Ottawa are similar in car orientation to Calgary. Calgary has far worse traffic than any city outside the big 3, but that is due to geography (hills, rivers, parks, railway tracks, native reservation) that creates bottlenecks, centralized destinations and likely wealth.

Edmonton commutes are shorter timewise because employment destinations are more dispersed.
Stoney and Crowchild is still a full cloverleaf, although weaving is only possible on the Crowchild portion:


In contrast, both of Edmonton's full cloverleafs are very classic designs (like Barlow and 16th, which is slated to be a parclo).

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Considered by many to be the most famous and most beautiful street in the world, the Champs-Élysées nonetheless has about 10 lanes of vehicular traffic.

I believe this is far wider than any city street (non-expressway) in any Canadian city.
There was a discussion a few pages back where someone asked if there were any 10-lane roads of any kind in Canada outside of Ontario. People struggled to find any, and usually any that satisfied 10 lanes were only so for a few hundred meters.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2014, 7:16 PM
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I think we concluded that Toronto & Ottawa are the only cities where there are freeways with at least 8 lanes of through traffic. Ottawa hits 10 lanes for about 4 kilometres, on Highway 417 between Eagleson & Moodie. This is, incidentally, also the widest section of the Trans-Canada Highway.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2014, 8:14 PM
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And Ontario keeps adding 10 lane sections, the 407 is going from 10 to 12 lanes in a month or two between the 427 and 400, the 410 is being widened to 10 lanes over the next few years, there is funding for another ~15km of collector / express systems on the 401, and probably 50km of 10+ lanes in the planning stages.
     
     
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Parts of the Conestoga Parkway and Highway 8 in Kitchener are 8 lanes as well.
     
     
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Parts of the Conestoga Parkway and Highway 8 in Kitchener are 8 lanes as well.
8 through lanes, or does it reach 8 only by counting ramp lanes? If its the former, then we've found a third city to add to the "8 lane+" club.
     
     
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Parts of the Conestoga Parkway and Highway 8 in Kitchener are 8 lanes as well.
Isn't the 401 supposed to be widened to 10 lanes between Hwys 8 and 24?
     
     
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I think we concluded that Toronto & Ottawa are the only cities where there are freeways with at least 8 lanes of through traffic. Ottawa hits 10 lanes for about 4 kilometres, on Highway 417 between Eagleson & Moodie. This is, incidentally, also the widest section of the Trans-Canada Highway.
There is a short 8 lane segment of A-15 north of the A-640 interchange in the northern Montreal suburbs as well.

Are there not any segments of the Deerfoot in Calgary that have 8 through lanes? I think that the with the Port Man improvements in Vancouver there are some 8 to 10 lane segments there as well.
     
     
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There is a short 8 lane segment of A-15 north of the A-640 interchange in the northern Montreal suburbs as well.

Are there not any segments of the Deerfoot in Calgary that have 8 through lanes? I think that the with the Port Man improvements in Vancouver there are some 8 to 10 lane segments there as well.
A-15 in Montréal between A-40 and Boul.Cartier in Laval. 5.7km
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5342,-73....1!3m2!1sq-k5BK2JeoAgPNGaRdJY_g!2e0?hl=fr

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The sixth eastbound lane along Highway 407 ETR between Highway 427 and Highway 400 opened earlier this week. The westbound lane is basically finished, but the final striping hasn't bee completed, so it is not yet open. Construction barrels will likely remain for a few additional weeks while some final work (such as installing enhanced mileage markers) is completed.




(The sixth eastbound lane exits at the Hwy 400 interchange).
     
     
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conestoga is 8 through lanes.

I think the 401 widening in Kitchener is actually for 10 lanes, for some reason. a 3.5km section of the 401 will go from 6 to 10 lanes, just to return to 6 lanes again.. At least for a few years until they start bringing the 10 lanes (it will eventually become 8+2HOV) eastward.
     
     
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I think we concluded that Toronto & Ottawa are the only cities where there are freeways with at least 8 lanes of through traffic. Ottawa hits 10 lanes for about 4 kilometres, on Highway 417 between Eagleson & Moodie. This is, incidentally, also the widest section of the Trans-Canada Highway.
8 through + 2 ramp lanes in Calgary:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.9319913,-113.9759883,183m/data=!3m1!1e3

8 through in Edmonton:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@53.5103769,-113.5686287,103m/data=!3m1!1e3

Port Mann Bridge in Vancouver is 8 lanes + 2 HOV lanes; sections before and after are difficult to distinguish through or ramp
(google maps renders it terribly)

Presumably these count?
     
     
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Highway 1 is now 8 lanes for about 30km in length from Langley to Vancouver.

The new Port Mann when completed will be 10 lanes wide. 6 through lanes and 4 C/D lanes.
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In Kitchener, both Highway 8 and the Conestoga Parkway are 8 through lanes in some sections. In fact, the Conestoga even has a short collector/express system (2-2-2-2) to reduce weaving on some closely spaced interchanges.

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I think we concluded that Toronto & Ottawa are the only cities where there are freeways with at least 8 lanes of through traffic. Ottawa hits 10 lanes for about 4 kilometres, on Highway 417 between Eagleson & Moodie. This is, incidentally, also the widest section of the Trans-Canada Highway.
It's a bummer though that when they complete the ten lanes from downtown to the split, only buses will be allowed on the new lanes..All as part of the staging for the light rail..Will be kicked of the transit way, and sent on the highway for about 6.0 years.
     
     
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4 years, the LRT opens in 2018.

Hal, you have never driven the 407? Easily the nicest highway in the Province. Smooth, fast, and very good design standards. There is a reason that accidents are almost unheard of on it. The section between the 400 and 404 is my favourite personally, a good mix of highway and skyscrapers haha.

anyone know why the 407 was allowed a 12 lane configuration without a collector - express system? I thought MTO mandated that for highways over 10 lanes.
     
     
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QEW through Halton is still my favourite urban highway in Canada. I don't like the concrete pavement of the 407.
     
     
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