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W.M. Fares is proposing a new 4/5-storey apartment building on Linden Lea in Downtown Dartmouth. A rendering can be viewed below.

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Hate to get away from this captivating conversation but has anybody see a bunch of brand new red tower crane sections around the city? Was on my way to NB last thursday evening and saw probably 25 or so trucks drive by with this nice shinny new red tower crane. Had what looked like a very light grey or white cab.
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wouldn't surprise me.

I saw a herald article from 2012 where LEAD (the guys doing formwork for the Nova Center, Icon Bay)had their 7 cranes in use, and were looking for more I don't know how many they have now, but they tied up 5 between the 2 projects i mentioned.

I believe then, they were looking to rent/buy from the south/south west US

Manitowoc (who own Pontain) have a plants in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, so it may be from there.
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W.M. Fares is proposing a new 4/5-storey apartment building on Linden Lea in Downtown Dartmouth. A rendering can be viewed below.

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Isn't there currently a pond in there?
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Isn't there currently a pond in there?
I thought that there was an apartment building on the site proposed. The reason I say that is because I looked at 10 Linden Lea (which is beside it) as a potential home purchase.
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I thought that there was an apartment building on the site proposed. The reason I say that is because I looked at 10 Linden Lea (which is beside it) as a potential home purchase.
Correct. It is a plain box apartment building with a large parking lot.
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European Tourists Lament Canada's "Car Culture"

Anyone else follow this story?

Two European tourists recently wrote an "open letter" to a bunch of Canadian politicans / media outlets, about their recent trip across Canada, which included Halifax.

Their view? They had a great time and loved the people, but were shocked by the brutal car culture they encountered.

Story here: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/danish-tourists-lament-canadian-car-culture

Funny, they single out Halifax, in particular, for our car-centered city centre:

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As humans trying to enjoy Canada’s major cities (Toronto, Montreal, Quebec City, Ottawa and Halifax) we were treated like second class citizens compared to cars. The air was dirty, and the constant noise from horns and engines was unpleasant.

An observation that was especially noticeable in Halifax was the sheer amount of land in the city centre given to parking. Ginormous swaths of prime locations for living (parks, shops, cafés, market squares, theatres, playing fields etc – human activities which are key to quality of life) concreted over as homes for an ever increasing number of SUVs (most trucks and SUVs we saw contained only one person. The most SUVs we saw in a row were full of singular people driving through Tim Hortens).
I have to say, she's nailed it. We *do* have massive gigantic parking lots downtown, sitting, rotting, taking up space, for no good reason. Though much of these lots aren't an explicit result of car-centered policies (it's not like we've set these aside for parking), but an indirect result of car-centered policies-- that is, sprawl development is cheap and until recently, developing downtown expensive and uncertain, with limited upside due to height limits. So, we have parking lots, not liveable spaces.

Anyways, this should be raising some serious alarm bells in Halifax / Province, because tourism is a life blood industry here.

But instead, it'll probably just lead to a few shrugs from politicians and some snark from pundits, which has already begun-- stuff like "Never been prouder of Canada"!

But that's only because the truth hurts.
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I have to say, she's nailed it. We *do* have massive gigantic parking lots downtown, sitting, rotting, taking up space, for no good reason. Though much of these lots aren't an explicit result of car-centered policies (it's not like we've set these aside for parking), but an indirect result of car-centered policies-- that is, sprawl development is cheap and until recently, developing downtown expensive and uncertain, with limited upside due to height limits. So, we have parking lots, not liveable spaces.
The commenters under the National Post story about this seemed stacked pretty solidly against these two (the phrase "postage stamp country" got a fair workout). Seemed like a knee-jerk dismissal of a fair observation.

A bunch of people (locals and Canadians who had visited) also disputed that Halifax had any surface lots at all downtown, and that the Danes were slandering Halifax/Canada out of Euro-snobbery.

So yeah—a bit defensive, we got.
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Anyone else follow this story?

Two European tourists recently wrote an "open letter" to a bunch of Canadian politicans / media outlets, about their recent trip across Canada, which included Halifax.

Their view? They had a great time and loved the people, but were shocked by the brutal car culture they encountered.

Story here: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/danish-tourists-lament-canadian-car-culture

Funny, they single out Halifax, in particular, for our car-centered city centre:



I have to say, she's nailed it. We *do* have massive gigantic parking lots downtown, sitting, rotting, taking up space, for no good reason. Though much of these lots aren't an explicit result of car-centered policies (it's not like we've set these aside for parking), but an indirect result of car-centered policies-- that is, sprawl development is cheap and until recently, developing downtown expensive and uncertain, with limited upside due to height limits. So, we have parking lots, not liveable spaces.

Anyways, this should be raising some serious alarm bells in Halifax / Province, because tourism is a life blood industry here.

But instead, it'll probably just lead to a few shrugs from politicians and some snark from pundits, which has already begun-- stuff like "Never been prouder of Canada"!

But that's only because the truth hurts.

Yup. We had just that conversation here the other day, not just about parking lots in the city centre, but also about parking lots in front of shops instead of at back. Halifax needs to focus on creating walkable street scapes, not more broad suburban-style boulevards lined with parking lots in front of strip malls.

And yet, the perception that there is "no parking downtown" persists like an anti-vax messages or the idea that sugar causes ADHD.
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I thought that there was an apartment building on the site proposed. The reason I say that is because I looked at 10 Linden Lea (which is beside it) as a potential home purchase.
the existing building is quite ugly; across Linden lea is "lily filled pond". The new building does look better, hopefully thye won't touch the pond.
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The commenters under the National Post story about this seemed stacked pretty solidly against these two (the phrase "postage stamp country" got a fair workout). Seemed like a knee-jerk dismissal of a fair observation.

A bunch of people (locals and Canadians who had visited) also disputed that Halifax had any surface lots at all downtown, and that the Danes were slandering Halifax/Canada out of Euro-snobbery.

So yeah—a bit defensive, we got.
That is awesome. Do you have any links to ppl denying we had any surface lots downtown? Sort of like, a collective hallucination of defensiveness.
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Yup. We had just that conversation here the other day, not just about parking lots in the city centre, but also about parking lots in front of shops instead of at back. Halifax needs to focus on creating walkable street scapes, not more broad suburban-style boulevards lined with parking lots in front of strip malls.

And yet, the perception that there is "no parking downtown" persists like an anti-vax messages or the idea that sugar causes ADHD.
Agreed on all counts, especially the "no parking downtown" meme.

What people really mean, is that there's no FREE parking located DIRECTLY in front of their destination shop/store, like they get in Bayers Lake or Dartmouth Crossing or at their local Sobeys out in the sprawlburbs or rural areas.

Seriously, if you want parking, it's there. You just have to pay for it. And maybe walk a block or two. We could use more of the walking and less of the driving up.
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That is awesome. Do you have any links to ppl denying we had any surface lots downtown? Sort of like, a collective hallucination of defensiveness.
One guy calls it "patently false" and someone else muses about where the huge car parks are and "can't think of one." Another says "Their description of Halifax is simply dead wrong."

Not sure how to link to individuals comments (there's like 1,500 comments under the story).
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One guy calls it "patently false" and someone else muses about where the huge car parks are and "can't think of one." Another says "Their description of Halifax is simply dead wrong."

Not sure how to link to individuals comments (there's like 1,500 comments under the story).
"two lunatic tree-huggers" <-- a comment starting with that, is among the top "up voted" comments.

The problem is the National Post-- the comments there even worst than the CH news story commentators we lament on here.

Someone should do a survey of these anonymous commentators to online news stories. I'd love to know the demographics, background, etc, to see how they match up with general populations.
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Anyone else follow this story?

Two European tourists recently wrote an "open letter" to a bunch of Canadian politicans / media outlets, about their recent trip across Canada, which included Halifax.

Their view? They had a great time and loved the people, but were shocked by the brutal car culture they encountered.

Story here: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/danish-tourists-lament-canadian-car-culture

Funny, they single out Halifax, in particular, for our car-centered city centre:



I have to say, she's nailed it. We *do* have massive gigantic parking lots downtown, sitting, rotting, taking up space, for no good reason. Though much of these lots aren't an explicit result of car-centered policies (it's not like we've set these aside for parking), but an indirect result of car-centered policies-- that is, sprawl development is cheap and until recently, developing downtown expensive and uncertain, with limited upside due to height limits. So, we have parking lots, not liveable spaces.

Anyways, this should be raising some serious alarm bells in Halifax / Province, because tourism is a life blood industry here.

But instead, it'll probably just lead to a few shrugs from politicians and some snark from pundits, which has already begun-- stuff like "Never been prouder of Canada"!

But that's only because the truth hurts.
It's interesting, but basically a lot of value being put on the opinions of 2 people. Thing is, many European countries are very small land-wise with relatively large populations, so their car-reduced society is basically a result of necessity that was brought upon by their situation over the years. It is reinforced nowadays by the high cost of vehicle ownership in Europe, high fuel cost being key as well.

Not trying to be critical of them, but they are only seeing things from one perspective.

While considered wrong by many today, the advent of the automobile opened up a degree of personal mobility that was unknown to the individual in the past. Planners and politicians everywhere bought into it and communities were planned with efficiency of automobile use being of high priority. Canada, a sparsely populated country with large land area was particularly well-suited to this type of travel, as it was the most efficient way to travel the distances involved to travel around our vast country.

It was only after the car culture grew to massive proportions that we collectively started to realize the downside: mainly pollution, traffic jams, use of energy resources, etc. Plus, of course, cities that are less friendly to those who choose to get around without a car.

Now things are turning around, as cities are being reconfigured for the preference of those who want to be car-free. More thought is going into designing cities to be nice places to live rather than by necessity to get around in your car. We in Canada are heading in the right direction but it's not going to happen overnight. It is a huge task to turn around the momentum of the past and very expensive to try to change it all overnight. I think the fact that we are discussing it now indicates that change is occurring.

Thus I think it is a little judgmental and unfair for these two visitors to expect Canada to be exactly like Europe. Not to mention making the generalization that everybody is obese, etc. They are not seeing the big picture, rather are viewing the country from their own narrow perspective, and then feeling the need to scold us for our wrongdoing.

There are a lot of ways to look at this, including taking into consideration the downside of countries that are so overpopulated that there is no longer a good balance of natural land, agriculture and populated urban areas. Or that this trend, if unchecked, will eventually only lead to a planet in the future that is polluted, stripped of its natural resources, and subject to food shortages and energy shortages, among many other things.

Regarding the amount of surface parking in Halifax, rather than complain about it, consider the following: this land is only being reserved for future development. Typically they only exist as parking facilities because the market is not in a place yet where it is viable to build on them. When that happens, the surface parking will only disappear to be replaced by gleaming tall buildings that you all crave so.

I don't think I'd be ready to set off alarm bells for tourism just yet, as I believe most people visit Nova Scotia to enjoy our history and natural treasures rather than to bask in the glow of our ultra-chic urban culture (though they can find a degree of that here as well, if they want to seek it out).

Just another perspective. Please discuss.

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It's interesting, but basically a lot of value being put on the opinions of 2 people. Thing is, many European countries are very small land-wise with relatively large populations, so their car-reduced society is basically a result of necessity that was brought upon by their situation over the years. It is reinforced nowadays by the high cost of vehicle ownership in Europe, high fuel cost being key as well.

Not trying to be critical of them, but they are only seeing things from one perspective.

While considered wrong by many today, the advent of the automobile opened up a degree of personal mobility that was unknown to the individual in the past. Planners and politicians everywhere bought into it and communities were planned with efficiency of automobile use being of high priority. Canada, a sparsely populated country with large land area was particularly well-suited to this type of travel, as it was the most efficient way to travel the distances involved to around around our vast country.

It was only after the car culture grew to massive proportions that we collectively started to realize the downside: mainly pollution, traffic jams, use of energy resources, etc. Plus, of course, cities that are less friendly to those who choose to get around without a car.

Now things are turning around, as cities are being reconfigured for the preference of those who want to be car-free. More thought is going into designing cities to be nice places to live rather than by necessity to get around in your car. We in Canada are heading in the right direction but it's not going to happen overnight. It is a huge task to turn around the momentum of the past and very expensive to try to change it all overnight. I think the fact that we are discussing it now indicates that change is occurring.

Thus I think it is a little judgmental and unfair for these two visitors to expect Canada to be exactly like Europe. Not to mention making the generalization that everybody is obese, etc. They are not seeing the big picture, rather are viewing the country from their own narrow perspective, and then feeling the need to scold us for our wrongdoing.

There are a lot of ways to look at this, including taking into consideration the downside of countries that are so overpopulated that there is no longer a good balance of natural land, agriculture and populated urban areas. Or that this trend, if unchecked, will eventually only lead to a planet in the future that is polluted, stripped of its natural resources, and subject to food shortages and energy shortages, among many other things.

Regarding the amount of surface parking in Halifax, rather than complain about it, consider the following: this land is only being reserved for future development. Typically they only exist as parking facilities because the market is not in a place yet where it is viable to build on them. When that happens, the surface parking will only disappear to be replaced by gleaming tall buildings that you all crave so.

I don't think I'd be ready to set off alarm bells for tourism just yet, as I believe most people visit Nova Scotia to enjoy our history and natural treasures rather than to bask in the glow of our ultra-chic urban culture (though they can find a degree of that here as well, if they want to seek it out).

Just another perspective. Please discuss.
All fair points, and you make a good case that things are turning around. I think that's true. I also hope that these parking lots *are* going to be eventually developed, so long as we can avoid debacles like this: http://www.thecoast.ca/RealityBites/arch...er-5-million-to-buy-a-gravel-parking-lot

(City should buy back Texpark from United Gulf and sell to serious developerS).

That all said, I'm not sure it's also fair to expect a couple of tourists to know the history of Canadian urban development and the role of the automobile in there. I just expect tourists to speak to their experiences and what they felt and observed.

So, these two tourists experienced a brutal car culture and, I don't think you'll disagree, that the things they describe have a ring of truth-- Canada has a car culture, Halifax, particularly so. We're doing better urban planning in Halifax, but let's be honest, the lionshare of funds are still spent on massive road projects, new roads, road expansions, bridge expansions. This is a lot of what the consternation over RP+5 was about. While we were failing to hit our urban growth targets (and suburban growth spiraled out of control) the most detailed section of the new Regional Plan was this multi-multi-multi-million dollar road network plan; and we can't forget the massive costs the Bayers Road widening and bridge expansions, cost.

Also, the tourists' comments on obesity have a ring of truth too. An unhealthy number of Canadians are obese. And we're getting fatter and at alarming rate, unfortunately. Atlantic Canada, in particular, has problems on this count, because the higher rates of obesity, the greater demands on the healthcare system, meaning greater costs for our already strained system due to a disproportionately old population:

Canada's obesity rates triple in less than 30 years
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-s-obesity-rates-triple-in-less-than-30-years-1.2558365

Including: "Obesity rates surged 200 per cent between 1985 and 2011 (from six per cent to 18 per cent)."

I wonder how the rise of car culture maps with the rate of obesity. I bet they correlate closely.
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All fair points, but then, I'm not sure it's also fair to expect a couple of tourists to know the history of Canadian urban development and the role of the automobile in there. I just expect tourists to speak to their experiences and what they felt and observed.

So, these two tourists experienced a brutal car culture and, I don't think you'll disagree, that the things they describe have a ring of truth-- Canada has a car culture, Halifax, particularly so.

Also, their comments on obesity have a ring of truth too. An unhealthy number of Canadians are obsese. And we're getting fatter and at alarming rate, unfortunately. And Atlantic Canada, in particular, has problems on this count, because the higher rates of obesity, the greater demands on the healthcare system, meaning greater costs:

Canada's obesity rates triple in less than 30 years
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-s-obesity-rates-triple-in-less-than-30-years-1.2558365

Including: "Obesity rates surged 200 per cent between 1985 and 2011 (from six per cent to 18 per cent)."

I wonder how the rise of car culture maps with the rate of obesity. I bet they correlate closely.
I don't expect them to know the history of Canadian urban development, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't introduce it to add perspective to their ideas. That said, since they decided get their ideas "out there", I'm a little disappointed that they didn't make the effort to educate themselves a little on the subject, from a Canadian perspective.

Not arguing any of your points and I look forward to reading about your research to prove the correlation of car culture and obesity. However, to be fair please be sure to include in your research the topics of fast food, processed food, food additives, the effect of television, the internet and video games, not to mention the over-protection of our children so they don't get hurt playing outside. Cultural phenomena as such is usually a cumulative effect of many factors and often not as simplistic as we'd like it to be.
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So, these two tourists experienced a brutal car culture and, I don't think you'll disagree, that the things they describe have a ring of truth-- Canada has a car culture, Halifax, particularly so.
I agree that Canada has a car culture and Halifax does as well, to a point, but I'm not sure why you think that Halifax "in particular" has a car culture. Have you been many other places in Canada? Halifax is one of the least car-oriented cities in the country. More people walk and take transit here than in most of Canada. Do we have more of a car culture than St. John's, than NB's cities, than SW Ontario and the 905, than Northern Ontario, than the Prairies, including their cities, than the BC interior? Having spent time in all of these places, I sincerely doubt it. I'm not trying to be boosty, these places just ARE designed more for cars and less for pedestrians than Halifax is. Just like Halifax is designed more for cars and less for pedestrians than Copenhagen. Can you give an example to back up your claim that "Canada has a car culture, Halifax, particularly so"?

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I don't think suburban growth spiraled out of control, it just continued at more or less the same rate that it had been before the regional plan was implemented. In terms of the growth targets, it seems like a lot of people expected an immediate switch to 25% urban, 50% suburban etc. during the first five years of the regional plan. This isn't really fair or realistic to expect because many subdivisions under construction now were already approved or in the late planning stages when the regional plan was adopted. The flip side is that downtown/infill construction is still logistically difficult (despite HRMbD) and that it takes a while for the market and development/construction industry to adapt to the new paradigm. As development/construction companies get used to working within the constraints of the Peninsula (and Dartmouth) I think we will see an acceleration in the number of projects U/C... in fact this already seems to be happening. I think over the 25-year course of the plan growth will much better reflect (or exceed) the growth targets.

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I wonder how the rise of car culture maps with the rate of obesity. I bet they correlate closely.
Anecdotal, but I worked out of Cochrane, Alberta (a suburb of Calgary) for a couple weeks 2 summers ago. It's a sort of Bedford-esque suburb with no public transit. Most people who were younger than me seemed to be in great shape, or at least not overweight, while most people who were older than me seemed to be overweight or obese. My theory was that younger people without cars/licenses had to walk everywhere - and this means long distances - while those with cars never walked anywhere and quickly gained weight.
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Anecdotal, but I worked out of Cochrane, Alberta (a suburb of Calgary) for a couple weeks 2 summers ago. It's a sort of Bedford-esque suburb with no public transit. Most people who were younger than me seemed to be in great shape, or at least not overweight, while most people who were older than me seemed to be overweight or obese. My theory was that younger people without cars/licenses had to walk everywhere - and this means long distances - while those with cars never walked anywhere and quickly gained weight.
An interesting theory based on anecdotal information, but other factors have to be kept in mind in order to make it an unbiased scientific opinion. These factors can include, cultural/social disparities between generations (i.e. the propensity for younger generations to be more aware of their bodies due to improved education/information available on the subject, and the ensuing healthier eating habits, tendencies to work out and participate in more active free-time activities, etc.), not to mention consumption of alcohol and other unhealthy lifestyles.

Other factors could include lifestyle compromises to compensate for increased responsibilities/busy schedules. These factors can result in such things as less time to participate in physical activities such as walking to a destination rather than driving, or sitting at their kids' soccer games rather than playing in their own games, eating fast food rather than taking the time to prepare a healthy meal, etc.

Not to mention the tendency for metabolisms to slow down as we age.

If one wanted to look at things simply (and incorrectly), one could draw the conclusion that since we see people of all shapes, sizes and physical condition driving cars, that car use has no effect on one's state of physical fitness. (I don't agree with this, by the way)

I definitely do not intend to argue the point, but again wish to encourage the consideration of other factors to help explain the phenomena. Certainly, increased car use plays a part in it, but to not consider other important lifestyle factors is not looking at it objectionably, IMHO.
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Honestly some of the same people I know who complain about parking in downtown Halifax will drive around and around in circles at Canadian Tire trying to get a spot close to the door. Or, for example, if already at the Dartmouth Crossing Best Buy, will get into their car and drive over to Home Outfitters to park and shop there. The parking lots have us trained to drive.

During Christmas time at Mic Mac Mall the distance you might have to walk in the parking lot to the doors is as far as a few blocks in downtown Halifax.
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