Calgary Stoney Trail [Ring Road]

[ggopher]

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

Open Maps has both SW and W Stoney Trail extensions drawn on - for anyone who would like to see what our future completed ring road will look like (and for the keeners who plan their commutes decades in advance )

http://www.openstreetmap.org/export#map=15/51.0068/-114.1652

Thanks a lot for putting that map together! It makes it a lot easier to read and understand the design.

[Tills13]

So are they duping the bridge over the bow by Nose Hill Dr. or what's going on there?

[You Need A Thneed]

Originally Posted by Tills13

So are they duping the bridge over the bow by Nose Hill Dr. or what's going on there?

It's being twinned.

[lineman]

I don't have a timeline. I only have the following tidbit.

Due to environmental concerns over the southern escarpment, the current bridge over the Bow was built using a launching truss. I would expect a similar construction method for it's twin.

[Socguy]

The proposed pathway crossing Anderson is going to be quite the detour. While I'm sure that cyclists and pedestrians are nowhere near a top priority on this project, it would be nice if they could figure a way to straighten things out a bit.

[Tills13]

Originally Posted by You Need A Thneed

It's being twinned.

sweet. about damn time, I think.

[lubicon]

Originally Posted by Tills13

So are they duping the bridge over the bow by Nose Hill Dr. or what's going on there?

This will tie in nicely with the completion of the Nose Hill Drive interchange so that once again I will get to deal with road construction on my commute. For awhile it was looking that I might be able to enjoy construction free commutes for the first time in 17 years but thankfully someone has the foresight to stagger these projects out long enough that I wont have to worry about that and can keep my mind in perpetual construction/speed zone mode indefinitely.

[freeweed]

Originally Posted by lubicon

This will tie in nicely with the completion of the Nose Hill Drive interchange so that once again I will get to deal with road construction on my commute. For awhile it was looking that I might be able to enjoy construction free commutes for the first time in 17 years but thankfully someone has the foresight to stagger these projects out long enough that I wont have to worry about that and can keep my mind in perpetual construction/speed zone mode indefinitely.

Perhaps you should stop changing job locations in ways that always align with construction projects.

However yes, just like how the entirety of Stoney NW is in a multi-year construction cycle because they can't make it 3 lanes at the same time they make the bridge 3 lanes, it only makes sense to stagger things out on that portion as well. It'd be silly to do work in tandem, don't'cha know.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by 5seconds

Of course, the Stoney/Transcanada interchange will also be underway by then, so you're probably going to get it either way.

Add to the list:
- Bowfort/TCH interchange plus
- Reno to the Sarcee/TCH interchange to handle Trinity/Paskapoo slopes, plus
- Reno to Valley Ridge/TCH interchange as contemplated in West Ring Road plan.

Equals lots of opportunities for CPS to hand out construction zone speed fines.

[freeweed]

Originally Posted by 5seconds

Presumably the disruption on the bridge itself would be minimal; the bridge would operate the same as it currently does, and the new one would go up right beside it.

Aw, how cute. Someone who's never driven in this city. I'm teasing you, so don't take this as a personal attack.

The bridge construction would mandate at least an 80km/h zone for an entire construction season (maybe 2 if we're lucky!), and probably a 60 zone for at least a month or two.

I have never in my time in this city seen anything "minimal" in terms of construction disruption. I'm still driving 60 down Crowchild, probably 6 months after the last LRT work was completed. From what I can tell this speed zone exists solely for CPS to keep busy, because there is literally never anything happening in it.

[MalcolmTucker]

The Stony Trail construction around Nose Hill has been rather rational in speed restrictions, so perhaps there is hope.

[freeweed]

Yeah I know, there's better and worse examples out there. I'm just annoyed at how often we have "safety" slowdowns that persist for months, when there can't possibly be a safety issue. No workers and no structural change to the road means no safety concerns in my book.

[lubicon]

There certainly is a huge difference between City projects and Provincial projects when it comes to construction zones. Nose Hill Drive has been pretty much 80 km (which is actually the speed limit so no slow down at all) for most of the entire project until very recently when they had to put a small 60km section in. Not at all unreasonable. Same applies to the new lanes they have been adding between Country Hills Blvd and the QE2. Construction barriers go up but no reduction in speed limit, or worst case they drop to 80. Both these are Provincial contracts.

Compare to the LRT extension to Tuscany which is a City project. Many more years of construction and the speed limit has been 60 for the entire time regardless of whether any work is actually happening or even if there is any work happening at all.

My personal favorite was few years ago on the Stoney/Crowchild project. New Years Day, construction has been shut down for the Christmas season and the area cleaned up for the most part. And there's CPS pulling over speeders left and right at about 10am.

[North_Regina_Boy]

Originally Posted by 5seconds

And the Province is now saying that the SW section is likely to go first

That IMO would be a little backwards? I mean wouldn't they want the West Portion first? That way Glenmore can continue around the west side to the TCH? Also giving more priority for the city to build at Barlow and 52nd Streets. And for the Province to complete the flyovers at Deerfoot (NB-WB) and the Stoney Trail east Glenmore trail (EB-NB)?

That way you would then have a road similar to the Whitemud. Inner City freeway that is limited access. Which IMO is desperately needed.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by North_Regina_Boy

That way Glenmore can continue around the west side to the TCH?

I don't follow. AFAIK, Glenmore isn't going to connect to TCH directly. It would be via Stoney.

Regardless, SW portion is needed more.

Notwithstanding the fact that there are timelines associated with honouring the deal with the Tsuu Tina. That route would be net new to the system and will relieve pressure on Glenmore/Crowchild/14th. I honestly can't think of another portion of this project that would benefit a quadrant more.

[North_Regina_Boy]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I don't follow. AFAIK, Glenmore isn't going to connect to TCH directly. It would be via Stoney.

Regardless, SW portion is needed more.

Notwithstanding the fact that there are timelines associated with honouring the deal with the Tsuu Tina. That route would be net new to the system and will relieve pressure on Glenmore/Crowchild/14th. I honestly can't think of another portion of this project that would benefit a quadrant more.

Well correct the West Portion of Stoney would connect to Glemore at Sarcee. But I see what you are saying. I just wish there was a NB-WB ramp from Deerfoot to Glenmore... I hate getting off at Heritage and doing the re-route, so inefficient!

[lubicon]

Originally Posted by North_Regina_Boy

That IMO would be a little backwards? I mean wouldn't they want the West Portion first? That way Glenmore can continue around the west side to the TCH? Also giving more priority for the city to build at Barlow and 52nd Streets. And for the Province to complete the flyovers at Deerfoot (NB-WB) and the Stoney Trail east Glenmore trail (EB-NB)?

That way you would then have a road similar to the Whitemud. Inner City freeway that is limited access. Which IMO is desperately needed.

Not sure how the Province feels, but I certainly would prefer the west to go first (or at least finish first) as that will make a huge difference to my commute. The SW portion will be entirely useless to me both for business and pleasure until the west portion is finished.

[MalcolmTucker]

Especially with only one bidder coming in on the P3 schools, scuttling the contract, I would guess there are major concerns about issuing the projects concurrently due to industry capacity, and the lack of firms that can front $5 large, limiting the number of bidders.

[Full Mountain]

Originally Posted by 5seconds

The City yesterday approved $14 million to relocate the storm sewer that is currently on Tsuu T'ina lands to the 37th street SW corridor. TransAlta will also be relocating a powerline to that corridor, on top of the sewer line.

Things are happening on the SW Ring Road project.

Says $17M here, to be paid back by the province.

IMO the province should be on the hook for all the downstream effects of this section along with the other sections.

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by Full Mountain

Says $17M here, to be paid back by the province.

IMO the province should be on the hook for all the downstream effects of this section along with the other sections.

I'm more in the be reasonable camp. Remember the road started as a city project. Direct effects make sense. Measuring downstream effects is like trying to cost a subdivisions impact on infrastructure upgrade needs, like trying to stab someone with a wet noodle.