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Old Posted Jun 13, 2014, 12:07 PM
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Wynne's plan calls for a spending increase this year, mostly infrastructure spending, but some new social assistance spending as well, but the followed up with 3 years of spending freezes. The idea is that revenue growth in the next few years will eat into the deficit as expenditures remain flat. Keeping spending flat will be challenging, but with a majority it should be doable. With a 4 year fiscal plan that includes lots of new money in year 1, ministries should be able to handle it with measures like moving one-time expenditures into year 1.

This result does not bode well for the federal Conservatives. Ontarians elected the most left wing government Canada has seen for decades, to a majority government.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2014, 12:46 PM
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Another little tidbit that shows just how crushing the Liberal win in Ottawa was: The Liberals won Ottawa-Orleans by a greater margin that the PCs won by in both Nepean-Carleton and Carleton-Mississippi Mills
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2014, 11:12 PM
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Positive signs for new home sales

http://ottawacitizen.com/life/homes/signs-of-life-in-new-home-sales

In terms of volume, it looks like Minto, Tamarack and Mattamy are the top 3.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2014, 11:05 AM
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If anyone has a GlobeandMail Unlimited account, there was an interesting headline yesterday about how the soaring home prices have effectively shut the door on the young for home ownership.

I don't have an account so will wait and see if it is available for reading later.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2014, 12:43 PM
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^ Is that really news? I thought everyone knew that.

In any case, it shows just how big the bubble is getting and just how painful it will be when it crashes...
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2014, 8:49 PM
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TOExpat, I was quite surprised to see those stats on the flyer as well. Usually all you see is their own schpeel why people should pick them + their listings and things of that nature.

Are you looking for sold price on a particular unit? If so, PM me the info and I can ask my colleague who is a realtor on the side to check it on MLX. Not sure if he will do it but no harm in asking.
Thanks for offer. I am mostly just curious though. Hate that this info is monopolized. I found this guy's site and very good in providing info on actual purchase price as opposed to ask. Every single sale is going for below ask, showing downward pressure. Also note that there are a very high number of units for sale; some buildings have around 15% of units. On the luxury side it is really dead, as demonstrated by 700 sussex. And while not listed, I don't think there has been a sale in 90 George in a long, long time. Merit right now also has a bunch of units asking over a million (without appliances). Not sure who is going to buy up all this inventory. Good time for investors to go shopping.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2014, 9:27 PM
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On the luxury side it is really dead, as demonstrated by 700 sussex. And while not listed, I don't think there has been a sale in 90 George in a long, long time. Merit right now also has a bunch of units asking over a million (without appliances). Not sure who is going to buy up all this inventory. Good time for investors to go shopping.
Maybe, but 4 apartments over $1M have sold in Icon, including the $4M 6000 ft2 penthouse, so its not all dead.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2014, 10:48 PM
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Maybe, but 4 apartments over $1M have sold in Icon, including the $4M 6000 ft2 penthouse, so its not all dead.
You should put some context around this stat e.g. how long have these units been for sale and whether Claridge has offered some sweet incentives to move them.

Mind you, if people are willing to pay $4M for a condo, getting incentives may not be the end-all, be-all. That said, they don't have that kind of coins to throw around for being stupid so whatever they can get, I am sure they are not going to say no.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 4:36 PM
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Rushforth said on his radio show this am there are about 7,800 listings right now (residential + condo) and when you add land + commercial, it is more than 10K listings, altogether.

He also is not a big fan of condo speculation. A caller has some questions about her condo in Dow's Lake (2-bed for $430K + parking with monthly condo fee of $385) and he advised her to price it properly, looking at the comparables and how much the newer units are selling, per square foot.
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Why most Canadians should be begging for a housing market correction, not fearing one

David Kaufman, Financial Post
July 11, 2014 8:05 PM ET


Most Canadians should be keenly aware of the incredible and gravity-defying increase in real-estate values in Canadian metropolitan areas over the past 20 years.

Homeowners in Vancouver and Toronto, in particular, have celebrated as their residences have increased in price by more than 100% in many neighbourhoods. This represents an enormous gain on the equity value they have in their houses, since many have taken advantage of low interest rates, high loan-to-value mortgages and seemingly infinite amortization periods.

Much of the coverage of urban housing has focused on whether there is a Canadian housing bubble and whether and when it will burst. The experience of the U.S. housing crash in 2007/08 — also the result of dramatically increasing home values coupled with the availability of cheap high-loan-to-value debt — serves as a cautionary tale of what inevitably follows in the wake of irrational exuberance in the pricing of any asset class.

Most assume that a housing “correction” (Canadians are too polite to use the term “crash”) would be a negative event for everyone. This is simply not the case.

Only one of the three main groups of home-buyers — first-timers, young homeowners with growing families, and older homeowners thinking about downsizing — would suffer from a precipitous decline in home prices. The other two would benefit from such a decline.

Don’t believe me? Let’s break it down, using the simple assumption that a correction would mean a 20% across-the-board reduction in home values.

For first-time buyers, the marked increase in real-estate values has made it more difficult to enter the housing market without artificial assistance in the form of CMHC-backed financing and near-zero interest rates.

Even with these tools, the hope of building any meaningful home equity in the first 10 years of ownership is very slim. These folks simply aren’t in a position to save enough money to pay down the principal on their mortgage, even if they had the foresight and discipline to do so.

Chop 20% off the purchase price, however, and a huge number of buyers currently on the outside looking in can at least contemplate the notion of ownership.

This does not, of course, solve the problem of cheap and easy debt leading to long-term stress when rates rise, but it partly addresses the issue of affordability. There is no doubt that someone entering the market would much prefer a correction to the status quo.

As for homeowners in their 30s with growing families, many have purchased condos or smaller starter homes with the plan to buy something bigger as their families (and, hopefully, their discretionary incomes) increase in size.

Say a couple owns a two-bedroom home that they paid $500,000 for in 2009 and it is somehow now worth $750,000. With two kids and a third on the way, they want to move to a larger home in a safe neighbourhood with quality public schools. That house is currently priced at $1.3-million.

Then a 20% correction comes along. Their $750,000 house is now worth $600,000. But the $1.3-million house is now worth $1.04-million. The small house has decreased in value by $150,000 and the dream home has decreased in value by $260,000. The upwardly mobile couple is $110,000 closer to realizing their goal of upsizing. Although counterintuitive, this family should be begging for a correction rather than fearing one.

So who loses in the event of a correction? The empty nesters looking to downsize.

They’re the ones who own that $1.3-million house and have been eyeing a chic little $650,000 condo in a trendy neighbourhood with lots of restaurants, cafes and movie theatres within walking distance.

http://business.financialpost.com/2014/07/11/why-a-real-estate-correction-should-be-welcomed/
When the correction hits, they will lose $260,000 on the house they own and gain only $130,000 on the condo they’re buying. The $130,000 difference was the money that they were going to use for all their restaurant meals, lattes and movies during their retirement. For them, a correction will cause permanent pain or, at least, significantly more home cooking.

The assumptions made above are, of course, simplistic. Homes, for example, will not all decrease by a flat percentage. But these nuances are lost on buyers looking at the market as a whole and seeing all prices move in tandem.

I have also ignored that a 20% housing correction could bring with it a recession and increased unemployment. A recession coming at this point in Canada’s fragile economic recovery could set us back years and this would be bad for all of us, whether homeowners or not.

So what should we really be wishing for? That’s easy. We should all wish for real estate to do what it used to do: appreciate in line with inflation, keeping incomes and home prices more or less in check, and affordability at a constant. For first-time homeowners and those looking to move up, this would be perfect — after a nice little correction.

David Kaufman is president of Westcourt Capital Corp., a portfolio manager specializing in traditional and alternative asset classes and investment strategies. He can be contacted at [email protected].

http://business.financialpost.com/2014/07/11/why-a-real-estate-correction-should-be-welcomed/
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2014, 2:33 AM
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[B]Why most Canadians should be begging for a housing market correction, not fearing one


http://business.financialpost.com/2014/07/11/why-a-real-estate-correction-should-be-welcomed/
One of my coworkers is selling his house. It is been on the market for a few months at 700k with little attention and the realtor is suggesting a price drop. It was bought for a bit over 400k in 2005. My coworker is adamant that his house is worth 700k because all the comparable homes in his neighbourhood sold for over that number over the past couple of years; he is very distressed at the idea that he has "lost" money by not selling earlier.

I think this is representative of the underlying irrationality that will cause a modest decrease in amazing returns on investments in housing to decrease consumer demand. Too many people have grown accustomed to an inflated idea of how much there house is worth and will interpret a drop in prices as them being "poorer".

On a moral level, I don't think it is fair that the Bank of Canada is going to have to maintain prices (at least in absolute terms while inflation eats away at their level relative to income) just because many Canadians have come to believe that their homes should have doubled in value in ten years. On a practical level, I don't see a way around it.
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2014, 3:34 PM
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The guys on the radio show today (Frank Napolitano and Paul Rushforth) pretty much went out and said they don't expect the prime rate to increase until at least 2017, it may even go down!

It's the new norm, in their words. They also say lenders are getting tougher regarding downpayment, the $ needs to be in your bank account for a full 90 days or be prepared to answer questions regarding the source.

Paul is also not a big fan of those house flipping real estate seminars advertised on the local radio (Than Merrill is one that comes to mind). It may work in the States but it is just not the same here in Ottawa where distressed properties or foreclosures are not a big part of the real estate market. I do agree with him on this point.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2014, 3:52 AM
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Apparently Ottawa has the 3rd highest rental rate in the country (behind Vancouver and Toronto, no surprise there)

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/14/otta...wa+rental+rates+third+highest+in+country
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2014, 1:09 PM
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If interest rates remained that low it would be because the economy is doing terrible. Fed in the US will continue to lay off on the QE. It is insane how low rates are. I just locked in at 2.34 for two years. There will be serious affordability issues if rates ever got up to 4-5%

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The guys on the radio show today (Frank Napolitano and Paul Rushforth) pretty much went out and said they don't expect the prime rate to increase until at least 2017, it may even go down!

It's the new norm, in their words. They also say lenders are getting tougher regarding downpayment, the $ needs to be in your bank account for a full 90 days or be prepared to answer questions regarding the source.

Paul is also not a big fan of those house flipping real estate seminars advertised on the local radio (Than Merrill is one that comes to mind). It may work in the States but it is just not the same here in Ottawa where distressed properties or foreclosures are not a big part of the real estate market. I do agree with him on this point.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2014, 1:23 PM
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I've heard persistent rumours that the BoC is not going to consider raising interest rates until Ontario balances its budget--which is not happening for another 3 years.

Given that the RE industry is severely threatened by the increasing inability of youth to purchase housing, low-cost borrowing is key.
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I've heard persistent rumours that the BoC is not going to consider raising interest rates until Ontario balances its budget--which is not happening for another 3 years.

Given that the RE industry is severely threatened by the increasing inability of youth to purchase housing, low-cost borrowing is key.
However, low-cost borrowing has an inflationary impact on housing prices, meaning that a larger down-payment is required of first-time buyers. That does not help young people trying to break into the market.
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It's the new norm, in their words. They also say lenders are getting tougher regarding downpayment, the $ needs to be in your bank account for a full 90 days or be prepared to answer questions regarding the source.
We just moved into our first house and this happened to us. The full 20% downpayment amount had to be in our accounts for at least 90 days before closing.The same bank was less strict when I inquired about a mortgage last year with only 5% down (ended up not buying last year).
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Old Posted Aug 10, 2014, 12:54 PM
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Steady flow of immigrants have an effect on Ottawa's housing market

http://ottawacitizen.com/life/homes/stea...-has-an-effect-on-ottawas-housing-market
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Canbiz: seems like some pretty involved analysis! It is sometimes hard to know the truth as realtor's and their industry association control the information. Very annoying.

Speaking of: does anyone know how a non- broker can get on the mlx or see actual sale prices of units?
Sale price of homes is public information - non-brokers could obtain info via Land Registry information. The the painful way of doing it.

Or just ask a buddy realtor to check either MLX or Land Registry...quick and easy.

I do this all the time for clients, prospects, investors etc...

If anyone is curious about anything, just PM with address.

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Old Posted Aug 16, 2014, 4:48 PM
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As noted in the Suburbs sub-forum, developers have filed an application with the City to build a big retail complex on Strandherd at the 416. The anchor store will have an associated gas bar and that leads me thinking it could be Costco.

If it does happen, it will be a nice boost for the area and will certainly enhance the property values for Barrhaven and surrounding communities (Monahan Landing, Blackstone in Kanata etc).

On another note, Paul Rushforth indicates on his show earlier today it's pretty difficult to generate cash flow these days for rental properties, unless you are looking at duplex and above. You will have to rely on equity appreciation otherwise, which is not necessarily a bad thing. His partner, Frank Napolitano, also mentioned we should be looking at a minimum of 5 years for rental properties. This is not a game to get in and get out...our market does not simply have the appetite for that.
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