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Old Posted Jun 17, 2014, 9:27 PM
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After more than 6 years of absence, Delta will resume Ottawa-Atlanta service beginning Dec. 20.

The schedule is somewhat unusual in that it starts as daily and then reverts to weekly (Saturday) service.

20DEC14 – 04JAN15
DL4932 ATL1515 – 1800YOW CR9 Daily
DL4933 YOW0600 – 0840ATL CR9 Daily

10JAN15 – 25APR15
DL4879 ATL1515 – 1800YOW CR9 6 (Saturday)
DL4881 YOW0600 – 0840ATL CR9 6 (Saturday)
Awesome! Now hoping the new AA/US will expand service a bit more too.
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After more than 6 years of absence, Delta will resume Ottawa-Atlanta service beginning Dec. 20.

The schedule is somewhat unusual in that it starts as daily and then reverts to weekly (Saturday) service.

20DEC14 – 04JAN15
DL4932 ATL1515 – 1800YOW CR9 Daily
DL4933 YOW0600 – 0840ATL CR9 Daily

10JAN15 – 25APR15
DL4879 ATL1515 – 1800YOW CR9 6 (Saturday)
DL4881 YOW0600 – 0840ATL CR9 6 (Saturday)
If all goes well hopefully this comes back daily or at least 5x weekly. Competing directly with AA/US and its Charlotte flight for any traffic heading south. Makes sense for Delta to try this again, could get some valuable cruise ship passenger traffic that would connect through ATL during the busy holiday travel seasons.

Also thank goodness it's on a 2-class CRJ-900 and not the -200 again. No one wants to go 2.75 hours on a plane like the -200, the -900 is much better suited for the route and I'm sure passengers will appreciate it. Plus it offers business class (economy plus) too!
     
     
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If all goes well hopefully this comes back daily or at least 5x weekly. Competing directly with AA/US and its Charlotte flight for any traffic heading south. Makes sense for Delta to try this again, could get some valuable cruise ship passenger traffic that would connect through ATL during the busy holiday travel seasons.

Also thank goodness it's on a 2-class CRJ-900 and not the -200 again. No one wants to go 2.75 hours on a plane like the -200, the -900 is much better suited for the route and I'm sure passengers will appreciate it. Plus it offers business class (economy plus) too!
Agreed on all that.

In addition, I hope this serves as a catalyst for AA to finally launch YOW-MIA, in order to try and recover the (anticipated) loss of southbound traffic.
     
     
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Agreed on all that.

In addition, I hope this serves as a catalyst for AA to finally launch YOW-MIA, in order to try and recover the (anticipated) loss of southbound traffic.
I share your hope.
     
     
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I share your hope.
It's on their radar. They just need the proper plane which they don't have enough of just yet. After the merger is said and done and they have optimized some route and freed up some planes I think the route will happen. It needs to be a CRJ-700/900 or E170/175/190 route. They won't be able to fill a A320 or B737 like Air Canada can.
     
     
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Air Canada is operating twice-weekly (Sat/Mon) Ottawa – Ft. Lauderdale this summer using E190 aircraft. This is normally a winter-only route.

AC1220 YOW1440 – 1759FLL E90 16
AC1221 FLL1035 – 1354YOW E90 16
     
     
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So I wonder if either of these guys will be coming to Ottawa? or maybe Gatineau?

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Unfriendly skies await proposed low-cost airlines Canada Jetlines, Jet Naked

Kristine Owram | July 5, 2014 | Last Updated: Jul 5 7:31 AM ET


Two companies are in the midst of raising money to launch ultra-cheap airlines in Canada, but it’s going to be a tough slog in a market that’s notoriously cruel to new carriers.

“They have a high risk of going under after a year or two,” former Air Canada CEO Pierre Jeanniot said in an interview.

“There are lots of examples of that in Canada. We just haven’t been able to support many low-cost airlines.”

Canada has never had a successful ultra-low cost carrier, but there are now two in the works: Jetlines and Jet Naked.

The no-frills model was pioneered by Dallas-based Southwest Airlines and has since been picked up by several others, including Ryanair and AirAsia.

WestJet still calls itself a low-cost airline but it has steadily moved away from that model as it grows. It now offers perks like premium economy class and a frequent-flyer program and has launched a regional carrier called Encore. It even began its first transatlantic flights last month with service to Dublin. All these new services add costs and WestJet’s fares are now generally comparable to Air Canada’s.

The first of Canada’s proposed new airlines, Canada Jetlines Ltd., has announced plans to list on the TSX Venture exchange and raise $10-million through a reverse takeover. The company says it will need about $40-million to begin flying.

The other, Jet Naked, is the brainchild of Tim Morgan, one of WestJet’s co-founders and the CEO of charter airline Enerjet. The company said last week that it has retained an investment dealer to help it raise the $30-million to $50-million it will need to launch.

Both airlines promise to offer low fares through bare-bones service. Ultra-low cost carriers tend to charge for extras like reserved seating, checked baggage and on-board service. They also tend to offer less legroom and use non-unionized workforces.

But can Canada support one ultra-low cost carrier, much less two, in a market that’s already dominated by Air Canada and WestJet?

“It’s pretty tough to go head-to-head with big red and blue in this country,” CanJet Airlines President Stephen Rowe said in an email.

CanJet, a division of Halifax-based IMP Group, used to offer scheduled service to 15 cities in Canada and the U.S. but announced in 2006 that it would focus on charter flights because of “the rising business risks of operating a scheduled airline.”

And CanJet isn’t the only airline to try and fail to compete with the incumbents.

“The number of bodies left around this space is just ridiculous. There have been a lot of false starts,” said AltaCorp analyst Chris Murray, citing Harmony and JetsGo as other examples.

There are three major disadvantages to being a low-cost airline in Canada.

First, it’s a big, empty country.

“We don’t have the density that Europe has or the States has and yet Canadian startups emulate what’s going on there,” Mr. Jeanniot said.

“You’ve got to have a sufficient base [of demand] and there aren’t too many places in Canada that have that.”

Mr. Jeanniot added that ultra-low cost carriers operate on very slim margins and need to fly planes that are at least 90% full in order to break even.

Second, the fees and taxes imposed on airlines are much higher in Canada than in many other jurisdictions, including the U.S. and parts of Europe. The National Airlines Council of Canada has estimated that these extra costs can make up 30% to 70% of ticket prices.

With new rules that require airlines to include these extras in the posted price of a ticket, low-cost carriers just aren’t going to look as cheap here as they do elsewhere.

Finally, Canadian airspace is dominated by two major airlines that have the scale to price small carriers out of the market.

“The two incumbents are 400-pound gorillas in a cage. They will be pretty rambunctious if somebody else enters the marketplace,” said Rick Erickson, managing director of aviation consultancy RP Erickson & Associates.

Mr. Erickson said the only way for a new airline to succeed is for it to have “exceptionally deep pockets” so it can compete with the incumbents by starting big.

“They’re going to have to start off flying 15 to 20 different routes,” he said. “Otherwise the incumbents will eat them alive.”

Mr. Erickson added that he doesn’t see any Canadian investors willing to put in that kind of money, and foreign ownership of Canadian airlines is limited to 25%.

WestJet proves that it’s not impossible to build a new, low-cost airline into a major national player — even if it loses its low-cost status in the process.

“But we’ve seen quite a number of airlines flame out over the last couple of decades,” Mr. Erickson said.

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So I wonder if either of these guys will be coming to Ottawa? or maybe Gatineau?
Gatineau would be a very interesting move. I would think it would need some serious investment though.
     
     
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Gatineau would be a very interesting move. I would think it would need some serious investment though.
I don't know how that would turn out with the lack of a control tower there. Gatineau is the coutry's largest airport (by movements I think) without a control tower.
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Interestingly enough about two weeks ago Gatineau airport announced new services by airline Pascan to a dozen or so destinations in eastern Quebec and New Brunswick (Havre-St-Pierre, Bonaventure, Iles-de-la-Madeleine, Bathurst, etc.)
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Interesting to see how this one plays out...

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Ogdensburg Airport in expansion mode to attract Ottawa passengers

Joanne Schnurr, CTV Ottawa
Published Tuesday, July 8, 2014 6:11PM EDT
Last Updated Tuesday, July 8, 2014 6:55PM EDT

Ottawa’s International Airport will soon have some tough competition from the Ogdensburg International airport. The tiny town an hour south of
Ottawa is about to get a giant makeover.
Canadians are already driving south to the United States in search of cheaper airfare. Ogdensburg is waking up to that and is now looking at
expanding in order to attract forty thousand new passengers.
As you approach the airport outside Ogdensburg, it is hard to believe the tiny little building houses an international airport. Clearly size doesn't
matter. Here it's all about price.
“We’re going to Boston,” says Sarah Rodriguez, as she rushes into the airport, “We got it for $190 and I think
the other prices were about $600.
Rodriguez and her friend Millie Young, both from Ottawa, arrived 10 minutes before their plane left. They
still got on.
Kathrina Douglas, also from Ottawa, was just returning from Boston; a trip she takes twice a month to visit
her boyfriend.
"It's about $200 to $300 dollars cheaper, especially if you book in advance. With tax it comes to $75 bucks
so there and back, $150 bucks, not bad.”
We did a quick comparison. Booking today for a direct flight this Saturday from Ottawa to Boston and back
would cost nearly $1700 here. Cape Air from Ogdensburg, connecting through Albany to Boston is $219.
Right now Cape Air is the only carrier in Ogdensburg, but that's about to change. Just last month, Allegiant Air announced that it's signed on to offer
flights from Ogdensburg, hoping with bigger jets to increase traffic by about 40,000 passengers a year. Where they'll be flying has yet to be
determined but Allegiant Air already operates in 98 American cities. With soaring air costs here, it's estimated five million Canadians are already
taking their business elsewhere. Ottawa's airport says the Ogdensburg expansion could hurt them but they are hoping the government will help
make Canada more competitive by lowering the aviation air taxes and changing federal policy.
Competition from smaller American airports along the border is already impacting other Canadian cities like Montreal. Ottawa appears to be the
next target.
"The reality is that if they built that longer runway in Ogdensburg, says David Stewart Patterson with the Conference Board of Canada, “and if
Alligiant offers flights at lower prices to more places, there could be a significant threat to Ottawa.”
No one from the Ogdensburg Bridge and Port Authority was available to do an interview with CTV Ottawa. A quick check of cars in the parking lot at
the Ogdensburg airport showed of the 20 there, about one­third had Ontario license plates. By the way, parking is free on site.
     
     
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To get an idea of some possible destinations: Allegiant Air interactive route map
     
     
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Interesting to see how this one plays out...
Good. Air fare in Canada is beyond absurd (like a lot of other things COUGH COUGH TELECOMS).

In Europe I flew from London to Berlin for about 30 pounds ($50) one way. I literally paid more in CAB FARE TO THE AIRPORT.

This was only booking a few weeks ahead of time too.

Commercial competition is the spice of life!!
     
     
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They would still need to expand their runway and realign a road to make this work. I'm sure it's bound to happen sometime in the next 1-3 year time frame. Allegiant lists Plattsburg, NY as "Plattsburg, NY / Montreal, QC) on their website. They are surely offering service to Ogdensburg trying to capture a majority of their traffic from Eastern Ontario, including Ottawa.
Possible routes to me would probably include a few flights to Florida (Ft Lauderdale, Orlando, Tampa) and maybe Las Vegas to begin.


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Sen. Schumer urges FAA to approve runway expansion for Allegiant Air flights during visit to Ogdensburg airport
Monday, July 7, 2014 - 5:31 pm

OGDENSBURG -- Visiting the Ogdensburg International Airport today, Senator Charles E. Schumer (D-NY) urged the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to approve the city's request to extend its runway by 1,200 feet, according to Schumer's office.

The expansion is necessary for Allegiant Air, which recently decided to offer flights from Ogdensburg, to land its planes, Schumer said.

Allegiant Air flies much larger planes than those that take off and land at Ogdensburg Airport, and these aircraft need a larger runway in order to operate.

Schumer said that FAA approval would be the first major step in turning Ogdensburg Airport into a major regional air travel hub for residents of the North Country and Canada, which would be a major benefit to the local economy for decades to come.

“Allegiant Air is prepared to take off at Ogdensburg Airport, bringing North Country travelers more options and destinations and providing a major boon to the regional economy, but one factor is standing in its way – an extension of the airport’s current runway that is waiting on approval from the FAA,” Schumer said. “This new runway is needed for the larger Allegiant planes to take off and land, and I am urging the FAA to approve the plans as soon as possible.”

Ogdensburg International Airport recently signed a contract with Allegiant Air to offer charter flights. Schumer said that these new flights, and the potential increase in travelers, would be a huge boon for St. Lawrence County and the entire North Country economy. This agreement has the potential to increase traffic by tens of thousands of passengers per year, as the larger Allegiant jet planes carry more people and provide access to numerous other destinations around the country, according to Schumer.

Schumer says a strong airport, like what Ogdensburg is poised to become, will be in line for more federal dollars. Essential Air Service funds (EAS) and Airport Improvement Program (AIP) dollars are awarded to airports with a certain number of passengers each year.

These funds help keep our airports in top shape, and Schumer said in a statement that he will fight for Ogdensburg to receive that federal funding the moment it meets the minimum passenger threshold.

This can't happen until the FAA approves Ogdensburg’s request to expand its runway by 1,200 feet. This expansion is needed because the airport’s current runway cannot support Allegiant Air’s larger jet planes. After extending the runway, the terminal would then be upgraded and linked to the city’s water service.

In order to accommodate the runway expansion, approximately 2,000 feet of Route 6B would need to be relocated and additional fencing would need to be added, pending FAA approval.

Schumer says he was joined by Ogdensburg Bridge and Port Authority director Wade David, Assemblywoman Addie Russell, St. Lawrence County IDA chairman Pat Kelly, St. Lawrence County Administrator Karen St. Hilare, county legislator John Putney and Ogdensburg city officials.

As a result of the contract, the Ogdensburg Bridge and Port Authority, which approved the agreement with Allegiant, also announced that it would create a four-year program aimed at attracting more commercial air carriers to the Ogdensburg Airport, Schumer said. Cape Air is the only commercial airline offering passenger service from the Ogdensburg International Airport.

Allegiant Air is owned by Allegiant Travel Co. and is based in Las Vegas. It operates in 98 cities across the country, including Plattsburgh and Syracuse. Allegiant’s jet planes usually seat 156 to 223 passengers, according to Schumer.
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Good. Air fare in Canada is beyond absurd (like a lot of other things COUGH COUGH TELECOMS).

In Europe I flew from London to Berlin for about 30 pounds ($50) one way. I literally paid more in CAB FARE TO THE AIRPORT.

This was only booking a few weeks ahead of time too.

Commercial competition is the spice of life!!
When I lived in Calgary I had friends that lived in Lethbridge and would drive the 3 hours to Great Falls, Montana to catch an Allegiant flight for vacation, as oppose to driving the ~2 hours to Calgary.
     
     
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Good. Air fare in Canada is beyond absurd (like a lot of other things COUGH COUGH TELECOMS).

In Europe I flew from London to Berlin for about 30 pounds ($50) one way. I literally paid more in CAB FARE TO THE AIRPORT.

This was only booking a few weeks ahead of time too.

Commercial competition is the spice of life!!
Our taxes don't subsidize air travel at all which accounts for a good portion of the difference.
     
     
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Maybe Ogdensburg residents will actually know that Ottawa exists now if Ottawans flood their airport.

Ever been there? I was there once and whenever I said I'm from Ottawa, people would give me a funny look and ask where that was. A city of a million, less than an hour away by car!
     
     
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Maybe Ogdensburg residents will actually know that Ottawa exists now if Ottawans flood their airport.

Ever been there? I was there once and whenever I said I'm from Ottawa, people would give me a funny look and ask where that was. A city of a million, less than an hour away by car!
Ottawans are already flooding the Ogdensburg UPS store picking up amazon.com orders. The reason Americans don't cross over anymore is that most of them don't have passports and can't be bothered getting one. Some Ottawa radio stations come in loud and clear there though.
     
     
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Canadians flee as flying costs rise

Mark Sutcliffe, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: July 10, 2014, Last Updated: July 10, 2014 10:34 AM EDT


When you search for flights on Allegiant Air’s website, the opportunistic airline lists its Niagara Falls, N.Y., departures under “Toronto” even though the centre of the universe is more than 100 kilometres away. Likewise, Allegiant refers to the airport in northern New York as “Plattsburgh/Montreal”. Soon, Allegiant could be operating out of Ogdensburg, N.Y. Or as they might choose to call it: Ottawa/Ogdensburg.

Allegiant is just one of several U.S. airlines enticing Canadian travellers with cheaper flights. According to the Conference Board of Canada, some five million Canadians drive across the border every year to fly out of American airports. For a long list of reasons, American carriers have a huge cost advantage over Canadian competitors. And with the overwhelming majority of Canadians living within an hour of the U.S. border, we’re easy pickings. As a result, Canadian airlines and airports are losing millions of dollars of annual revenue and thousands of jobs. And governments are losing lots of potential tax revenue.

I picked a random date in November and compared the price for a flight to Fort Lauderdale from Plattsburgh and Montreal. The Allegiant flight out of Plattsburgh cost $357 return. Round trip from Montreal on Air Canada cost $562. Even factoring in the exchange rate, the Montreal flight cost 40 per cent more. For a family of four, the premium to fly out of Montreal would be close to $700. That’s a lot of incentive to drive to an airport 100 kilometres to the south.

So far, Ottawa hasn’t been hit as hard as other Canadian cities including Toronto and Vancouver. Even so, Ottawa’s airport authority estimates that it loses more than 100 passengers a day to U.S. airports.

That could get much worse if Ogdensburg goes ahead with its expansion plans, including new routes to vacation destinations to be provided by Allegiant. The northern New York airport isn’t expecting a sudden spike in traffic from the 11,000 people who live in Ogdensburg. Instead, they’re launching a direct competitive attack on Ottawa’s business, taking advantage of the fact that Ogdensburg’s airport is located less than 10 kilometres from the junction of Highways 401 and 416.

Airlines and airports have been pointing out the economic costs of the Canada-U.S. price disparity for years. The solutions aren’t simple. According to the Conference Board, the price disparity is driven by a wide range of factors that are more favourable in the U.S. including wages, productivity, the price of aviation fuel, and leasing and depreciation costs. Those may not be easy to change, but the government could look at Canada’s higher airport fees, navigational costs and other taxes.

But rather than help, some governments are flying in the other direction. Ontario is about to make the cost of flying out of the province even more expensive. Monday’s provincial budget is expected to reintroduce a 150 per cent increase in the airline fuel tax, adding an estimated $100 million to the cost of airline tickets in Ontario.

Governments in the U.S. see airports as economic development tools to boost tourism and business whereas in Canada they are viewed as sources of tax revenue. If it goes ahead, Ogdensburg’s runway expansion will likely be subsidized by tax dollars. Any improvements to Ottawa’s airport are funded entirely by air travellers.

The solution is not to pump public dollars into airports or airlines to make them more competitive with American counterparts. But considering every political party in the land is talking about job creation and economic growth right now, you’d think they would be interested in policies that help Canadian airlines and airports rather than deprive them of revenue and jobs.

The federal and provincial governments have an opportunity to work with the air travel industry to find ways to make it more competitive. The Conference Board estimates that the right changes in policies could bring back two million of the five million cross-border flyers to Canadian airports. Unfortunately, right now the runway is tilting even more in the opposite direction and the bleeding is more likely to go up than down.

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This is basically how the airline industry works in Europe. You can take a cheap flight on a no-frills airline from an obscure airport far from the city or you can take a more expensive flight on a full service airline at a full service airport fairly close to the city. People can choose whatever works best for them.
     
     
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