Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3

[Stenar]

This article doesn't mention the direct connection, but it does prove my point that a convention hotel wasn't "thrust" upon us.

Jay Evensen: After 19 years, Salt Lake's convention hotel battle is evolving
By Jay Evensen, Deseret News
Published: Thursday, Jan. 23 2014

...The arguments have changed little since I wrote that first column on the subject, May 4, 1995....

www.deseretnews.com

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by Stenar

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Personally, I will fight tooth and nail to prevent any buildings from being demolished on Arrow Press Square.
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I'm with you!

[Old&New]

slide the city

if you've ever dreamed about a giant 1000 foot slip-and slide through your city streets

because, well, who hasn't

i'm here to tell you that dreams. do. come. true.



saturday, july 19

11am-7pm

downtown slc on main street.



I can't wait, see you all there!

http://www.rachelslawson.com/in-town/

must be doing it north of north temple?

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

Still have yet to find any of this outside of hear say. Since the convention center hotel was thrusted upon us by the outdoor retailers convention, maybe they didn't actually know what the fuck they were talking about when they were saying all that. Or they were just really bad communicators. It kinda reminds me of when UTA first started talking about street cars years back... They got a lot better by the time it came to educating Sugar House concerning its then potential line.

Apparently, they were really great communicators back then. They won this world-wide award. More likely, the two main newspapers have terrible news archives that make it difficult to find what you're looking for.

S.L. convention bureau honored as No. 1 in world
Published: Friday, Dec. 12 1997 12:00 a.m. MST

The Salt Lake Convention and Visitors Bureau has received the 1997 Gold Service Award from Meetings and Conventions Magazine as the best convention bureau in the world.

Each year the people who plan meetings, conventions and trade shows around the world are asked to vote for the top hotels, resorts and convention and visitors bureaus. The Salt Lake agency was the top vote-getter. Rick Davis, bureau president, accepted the award during a ceremony in New York City. Davis said the winners of the award must win the confidence of customers and be considered the best when it comes to staff professionalism and service.

www.deseretnews.com

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by Old&New

slide the city





http://www.rachelslawson.com/in-town/

must be doing it north of north temple?

Now that is awesome. Downtown should have a indoor/outdoor year round mini water park.

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Stenar

When Marriott wanted to build a 1,000 room hotel back in 2003, there was a rendering of a hotel on Arrow Press Square on the front page of the Tribune. So, that site is a possibility. I think it should be directly connected, though.

Personally, I will fight tooth and nail to prevent any buildings from being demolished on Arrow Press Square.

The biggest problem with Arrow Press Square is that it is not large enough to contain a large amount of meeting space.

I would love to see a rendering of that proposal from 2003. Can you dig it up?

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by Stenar

When Marriott wanted to build a 1,000 room hotel back in 2003, there was a rendering of a hotel on Arrow Press Square on the front page of the Tribune. So, that site is a possibility. I think it should be directly connected, though.

Personally, I will fight tooth and nail to prevent any buildings from being demolished on Arrow Press Square.

I just want us to be prepared for the possibility. To react either way.

The biggest problem with Arrow Press Square is that it is not large enough to contain a large amount of meeting space.

This is pretty easy to disprove, all one has to do is take the Denver or Portland hotel with convention space dimensions and impose them on part of that block. Our SLC blocks are usually just fine for space. You knock out a east / west column stoping north of the Kearns Building; that is a lot of space. That for sure fits. That would mirror Denver's CCH location from the main front entrance.

Denver's Hotel takes up one Denver sized block. Let's see how that would fit into a SLC block.



Looks like it fits just fine. There's even room for a big parking garage.

[blm3034L!fe]

I dunno about anyone else's opinion on it, but SLC having bigger blocks, screams to me less urban and more suburban.

Don't get your panties in a twist, the previous post brought Denver into the mix. Which btw Denver's primary convention hotel "Hyatt" at 37 Stories tall and 490' stands taller than any tower in Utah...

A larger block might make sense in a VERY URBAN CITY Like Chicago. But a mid sized City like Salt Lake? I don't get it? What's the advantage?

All I see is less pedestrian and public unfriendliness?

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by blm3034L!fe

I dunno about anyone else's opinion on it, but SLC having bigger blocks, screams to me less urban and more suburban.

Don't get your panties in a twist, the previous post brought Denver into the mix. Which btw Denver's primary convention hotel "Hyatt" at 37 Stories tall and 490' stands taller than any tower in Utah...

A larger block might make sense in a VERY URBAN CITY Like Chicago. But a mid sized City like Salt Lake? I don't get it? What's the advantage?

All I see is less pedestrian and public unfriendliness?

I'm glad to see Utah forumers don't have a monopoly on aspbergers here in the Mountian West section of skyscraperpage. I guess Denver's generally higher quality contributors have to be watered down with some social ineptitude. No community can be perfect after all.

[DenverInfill]

Please ignore blm. His contributions to SSP consist of (a.) popping into the Denver thread every so often and asking "when are we going to get a new tallest?!!" and (b.) popping into the SLC thread every so often and bashing Utah and Mormons.

On behalf of Denver, our apologies. Carry on.

[Old&New]

s.p.hansen, It makes me sad you would even suggest tearing down all those buildings. They are a part of our heritage, and are fine working buildings. Most, if fully restored, would be real gems and assets to our city, such as the Dinwoody Building and the building facing West temple (name?). These buildings bring character and stories of the past to our streets. They actually provide a vibrant and interesting street front for the pedestrian, much more than a hotel would provide.

Also, Kilowatt Commons Park cannot have any structures built atop of it since there's a tangled mess of substation power lines under the entire park.

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by DenverInfill

Please ignore blm. His contributions to SSP consist of (a.) popping into the Denver thread every so often and asking "when are we going to get a new tallest?!!" and (b.) popping into the SLC thread every so often and bashing Utah and Mormons.

On behalf of Denver, our apologies. Carry on.

I love our Denver forumers, especially you. <3 (best walking tour of a city I've ever had).

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by Old&New

s.p.hansen, It makes me sad you would even suggest tearing down all those buildings. They are a part of our heritage, and are fine working buildings. Most, if fully restored, would be real gems and assets to our city, such as the Dinwoody Building and the building facing West temple (name?). These buildings bring character and stories of the past to our streets. They actually provide a vibrant and interesting street front for the pedestrian, much more than a hotel would provide.

Also, Kilowatt Commons Park cannot have any structures built atop of it since there's a tangled mess of substation power lines under the entire park.

I'm not cheering for their demise; I'm merely peppering your angus for the possibility. Everyone here seems to discount that possibility. I want to be like one of those economists who predicted the Great Recession and got to say, "I told you so" when everyone was caught unawares.

The actual kilowatt structure is not harmed in my red rectangle of death.

[delts145]

I hope they will have the foresight to redevelop the 1st S. area, between Main's frontage and W. Temple's frontage into a multi-purpose, mixed-use extension of CCC. All current historic structures such as the Dinwoody should remain and be repurposed. The empty gaps, also to include the corner of 1st and W. Temple, those on 1st and also Main should be given vertical prominence, and multi-purpose emphasis. We all would probably hope something similar would occur, but I'm afraid S.P. could very well be right. Hopefully, the very powerful(CCC) is not fixated on 1st S. as a CCH area essential to the enhancement of their City Creek Center property. The importance of visitor traffic to CCC's future prosperity cannot be overemphasized. That just might include demanding that the CCH have two main doors and that they empty onto both 1st S. and also W. Temple.

Would it be possible to creatively intermingle the CCH and it's diverse requirements on the available plots from Main to W. Temple? This of course must include a tall tower on the corner of 1st S. and W. Temple, but not destroy the Dinwoody or the Arrow Press Building. Could the Dinwoody and the Arrow Press actually become exciting, usuable space for the CCH itself...why not?

Something just occurred to me, and I'm curious if any of you might be thinking the same thing. I'm beginning to wonder if they've all but decided to reconfigure the Salt Palace's Southeast corner, at W. Temple and 2nd S? Redeveloping that corner would actually make a lot more sense than many of the alternatives. There's an awful lot of wasted space there, both vertical and circumference.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by delts145

I hope they will have the foresight to redevelop the 1st S. area, between Main's frontage and W. Temple's frontage into a multi-purpose, mixed-use extension of CCC. All current historic structures such as the Dinwoody should remain and be repurposed. The empty gaps, also to include the corner of 1st and W. Temple, those on 1st and also Main should be given vertical prominence, and multi-purpose emphasis. We all would probably hope something similar would occur, but I'm afraid S.P. could very well be right. Hopefully, the very powerful(CCC) is not fixated on 1st S. as a CCH area essential to the enhancement of their City Creek Center property. The importance of visitor traffic to CCC's future prosperity cannot be overemphasized. That just might include demanding that the CCH have two main doors and that they empty onto both 1st S. and also W. Temple.

Would it be possible to creatively intermingle the CCH and it's diverse requirements on the available plots from Main to W. Temple? This of course must include a tall tower on the corner of 1st S. and W. Temple, but not destroy the Dinwoody or the Arrow Press Building. Could the Dinwoody and the Arrow Press actually become exciting, usuable space for the CCH itself...why not?

Could a multiuse plaza (very linear like citycreek's) get integrated in to the CCH outside for tent setup meetings, and as an extention of the Cascade exit for citycreek, which is honestly underutilized right now and not welcoming- after all, integrating a plaza south of the apartments as sort of an additon to citycreek but still kept separate would help integrate the area with both the southeastern part of the convention center and citycreek (would retail fit there?). What I imagine it is snaking around 50W down to 150 S to a mid block crossing leading in to a covered ped walkway on the SP property, although I need to look at the renderings again to make sure that would be in the right spot(northwest) of the block, not me imagining it where other buildings are.

EDIT: google maps shows that it would likely be possible (although you guys are more informed about the site than me, so if it isn't possible please say so) though the mid block at kilowatt would have to get moved north as from what I remember the kilowatt site is being built in to something.
In addition to the mid block, a bridge across both west temple and 1st south could get build directly from the main entrance of the palace to the northwestern main entrance of the hotel


EDIT::::: I seemed to have misunderstood the previous post. Is the hotel planned for the 1st south and west temple site?

[jubguy3]

Here is my rendering. Orange is building outline, red is site outline. Green is plaza and black is midblock and bridge.

If I destroyed any historic buildings or made the actual hotel way too small, let me know!

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Orlando

I would love to see a rendering of that proposal from 2003. Can you dig it up?

I've been looking for it for years, but haven't been able to find it. Unfortunately, the SLTrib archives don't save images.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

I'm not cheering for their demise; I'm merely peppering your angus for the possibility. Everyone here seems to discount that possibility. I want to be like one of those economists who predicted the Great Recession and got to say, "I told you so" when everyone was caught unawares.

The actual kilowatt structure is not harmed in my red rectangle of death.

I don't think anyone is going to let the building that formerly houses X96 be demolished because it is beautiful. You cannot build on the land where the transformers are and you're reduced area covers the entrance to the transformers. I doubt Zions Bank will sell the parking lot. I also think it's questionable whether Zions would sell the Dinwoody.

This leaves a much smaller place to work with.

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

I'm not cheering for their demise; I'm merely peppering your angus for the possibility. Everyone here seems to discount that possibility. I want to be like one of those economists who predicted the Great Recession and got to say, "I told you so" when everyone was caught unawares.

The actual kilowatt structure is not harmed in my red rectangle of death.

You have not completely comprehending my words:

1. Kilowatt Commons Park (The grassy area) is a no-build zone. There are sub-station power lines below the grass!

2. I do not discount the possibility of Arrow Press Square completely, but it is rather small. Additionally, there are multiple landowners which will make acquiring all those properties difficult. I am thankful this is the case, because I would hate to see all these buildings destroyed. Regardless, I will continue to make a case against Arrow Press Square, the Plaza, and others, in favor of the Royal Wood Plaza block as the right place for the CCH and any additional expansion of the Salt Palace.

3. Zion's Bank will not sell it's property.

[downtownslcresident]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

Go to your user profile user control panel and find the ignore list. Then start typing in the name of the person. For instance, if the person you were trying to block starts with the lowercase letter "j", then you would start there and as you progressed in spelling it out it would narrow down the list of potential registered users to block.

The only downside is that you have to stay logged in for it to work.

Seriously, guys? Come on...this is just rude. I happen to think that the person you are clearly referring to brings a lot to this forum. More than some of you that just like to argue and be stubborn and cause problems. At least "j" posts about development related things that help to get a discussion going. That's more than a large group of you can say. They may sometimes be silly things to post, or silly questions, but I appreciate them and it's rude of you to treat him in a way that would make him want to post less on the forum.

Get over yourselves.