Salt Lake Transit News Thread

[jubguy3]

http://www.wfrc.org/new_wfrc/publication...20%20TIP%20Project%20Table%20Listing.pdf

Remember the argument about the color of the new trax line? It looks like black is reserved for the SL central - university hub shuttle on page 14 of the above document, meaning that an airport university line (I feel like both of these projects will go forward because there is nothing connecting the east to the west and no way for fairpark and rose park to get to university as well as downtown and Guadalupe because of a lack of a line that uses existing corridors, as opposed to a primarily commuter based line for out of SL proper residents to use meaning it would likely only stop at courthouse west and stadium onward)

Funding for the yellow line was not outlined though

[jubguy3]

http://www.wfrc.org/public-maps-gallery/map.html?webmap=2089d52cc0804f24850590de38fddcf4

And here they have a proposal for rail to the international center / place with airplane people names and then past it to the middle of 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 nowhere... Classic utah. A damn field.
But on the other hand, there is rail/BRT proposed to center ills and my 2nd/state hub is proposed! There is also a fort union hub that is served by a shocking one bus route. Quite a magnificent hub worthy of Manhattan.

and there's no damn highland transit... 🞵🞵🞵🞵 them with a bus exhaust pipe

[brankrom]

The number 9 doesn't directly serve the VA but the route serves a lot of vets because there is a stop about 300 ft from the front door with a street crossing and 850 with no street crossing.

My complaint with the LARs wasn't specifically about 209 even though I mentioned it because I had to ride it to Murray one time, but directed more toward just about every line terminating downtown. I'm thinking more specifically about lines through Glendale, Rose Park and Redwood Rd North It seems a circuitous short run of say 4 miles serving the green line would be a good thing allowing for fewer buses with higher frequency. There aren't many options for the east side for shorter routes from ft union.

I also like that you serve Lake Park commuting there by transit is another one of the long slogs and it only has 2 runs in the AM and 2 in the PM.

[jubguy3]

Some guy on reddit just tried to argue with me about how more people own escalades in the avenues than in West Jordan.

how dumb do you have to be to think that

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[jubguy3]

I made a list of street names I'd like to see if SLC ever renamed streets downtown.

1st south: City Creek Boulevard
2nd south: Exchange Place Parkway
3rd south: Broadway
4th south: University Boulevard
5th south: Cesar Chaves Parkway
6th south: Rosa Parks Parkway
7th south: Granary Parkway
8th south to get converted to one way in combination with 9th south, 9th to get renamed Eccles Parkway and 8th Miller Boulevard

6th west: Rio Grande Boulevard
5th west: Union Parkway
4th west: Market (replacing Market between 3rd and 4th)
3rd west: Industry
2nd west: Jefferson
West Temple, Main, South State to stay the same
North State to get renamed Capitol Boulevard north of where it starts to ascend Capitol Hill
2nd East: Civic Parkway


Some outside downtown: E 21st S to get renamed Sugarhouse Boulevard or Congested Stupid Driver's Honorary Parkway
33rd to drop Granite Blvd designation (who the hell uses granite blvd?) and gain Millcreek Blvd designation
13th east to get renamed Washington Avenue
North Campus to get renamed Huntsman Dr (don't know if this already exists)

If it doesn't pass we can get excecutive order to rename every street in West Jordan Soccer Mom (insert parkway, blvd, avenue, street, road, highway)

[Stenar]

I wouldn't want any of these street names, except for the ones you listed that already exist. 600 S is already named after MLKjr and 200E is named after Rosa Parks.

Originally Posted by jubguy3

I made a list of street names I'd like to see if SLC ever renamed streets downtown.

1st south: City Creek Boulevard
2nd south: Exchange Place Parkway
3rd south: Broadway
4th south: University Boulevard
5th south: Cesar Chaves Parkway
6th south: Rosa Parks Parkway
7th south: Granary Parkway
8th south to get converted to one way in combination with 9th south, 9th to get renamed Eccles Parkway and 8th Miller Boulevard

6th west: Rio Grande Boulevard
5th west: Union Parkway
4th west: Market (replacing Market between 3rd and 4th)
3rd west: Industry
2nd west: Jefferson
West Temple, Main, South State to stay the same
North State to get renamed Capitol Boulevard north of where it starts to ascend Capitol Hill
2nd East: Civic Parkway


Some outside downtown: E 21st S to get renamed Sugarhouse Boulevard or Congested Stupid Driver's Honorary Parkway
33rd to drop Granite Blvd designation (who the hell uses granite blvd?) and gain Millcreek Blvd designation
13th east to get renamed Washington Avenue
North Campus to get renamed Huntsman Dr (don't know if this already exists)

If it doesn't pass we can get excecutive order to rename every street in West Jordan Soccer Mom (insert parkway, blvd, avenue, street, road, highway)

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by jubguy3

I made a list of street names I'd like to see if SLC ever renamed streets downtown.

1st south: City Creek Boulevard
2nd south: Exchange Place Parkway
3rd south: Broadway
4th south: University Boulevard
5th south: Cesar Chaves Parkway
6th south: Rosa Parks Parkway
7th south: Granary Parkway
8th south to get converted to one way in combination with 9th south, 9th to get renamed Eccles Parkway and 8th Miller Boulevard

6th west: Rio Grande Boulevard
5th west: Union Parkway
4th west: Market (replacing Market between 3rd and 4th)
3rd west: Industry
2nd west: Jefferson
West Temple, Main, South State to stay the same
North State to get renamed Capitol Boulevard north of where it starts to ascend Capitol Hill
2nd East: Civic Parkway


Some outside downtown: E 21st S to get renamed Sugarhouse Boulevard or Congested Stupid Driver's Honorary Parkway
33rd to drop Granite Blvd designation (who the hell uses granite blvd?) and gain Millcreek Blvd designation
13th east to get renamed Washington Avenue
North Campus to get renamed Huntsman Dr (don't know if this already exists)

If it doesn't pass we can get excecutive order to rename every street in West Jordan Soccer Mom (insert parkway, blvd, avenue, street, road, highway)

Not sure why people keep wanting to confuse the legibility of salt lake city by renaming all it's streets?

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by Old&New

Not sure why people keep wanting to confuse the legibility of salt lake city by renaming all it's streets?

I should have been more clear on this, but it would be honorary and in conjunction with existing names... Have you ever gotten lost on broadway before?

[DMTower]

Originally Posted by jubguy3

I made a list of street names I'd like to see if SLC ever renamed streets downtown.

1st south: City Creek Boulevard
2nd south: Exchange Place Parkway
3rd south: Broadway
4th south: University Boulevard
5th south: Cesar Chaves Parkway
6th south: Rosa Parks Parkway
7th south: Granary Parkway
8th south to get converted to one way in combination with 9th south, 9th to get renamed Eccles Parkway and 8th Miller Boulevard

6th west: Rio Grande Boulevard
5th west: Union Parkway
4th west: Market (replacing Market between 3rd and 4th)
3rd west: Industry
2nd west: Jefferson
West Temple, Main, South State to stay the same
North State to get renamed Capitol Boulevard north of where it starts to ascend Capitol Hill
2nd East: Civic Parkway


Some outside downtown: E 21st S to get renamed Sugarhouse Boulevard or Congested Stupid Driver's Honorary Parkway
33rd to drop Granite Blvd designation (who the hell uses granite blvd?) and gain Millcreek Blvd designation
13th east to get renamed Washington Avenue
North Campus to get renamed Huntsman Dr (don't know if this already exists)

If it doesn't pass we can get excecutive order to rename every street in West Jordan Soccer Mom (insert parkway, blvd, avenue, street, road, highway)

I would be very against turning 8th and 9th south into one way streets. Our streets are already as wide as highways and 9th south has managed to slowly become a pedestrian scale street along some of it. I'd like to see this narrowing continue along many of the streets downtown, especially the rest of 9th. 5th and 6th south are already huge dividers through downtown and there really is no need to create that again on 8th and 9th south.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by DMTower

I would be very against turning 8th and 9th south into one way streets. Our streets are already as wide as highways and 9th south has managed to slowly become a pedestrian scale street along some of it. I'd like to see this narrowing continue along many of the streets downtown, especially the rest of 9th. 5th and 6th south are already huge dividers through downtown and there really is no need to create that again on 8th and 9th south.

9th south is actually supposed to get narrowed with the creation of a linear park along it essentially shrinking the carriageway to 32 feet (2 parking lanes, 2 travel lanes) so a one way would work well along this street and potentially get 8th south narrowed too. Making the streets one way doesn't necessarily make them wider, but infact skinnier if the traffic loads from two relatively calm streets can be split in a one way pattern between two streets (I.e. 9th and 8th west of 13th south could easily support being two lanes in each direction implying 4 travel lanes total for both streets, freeing up the carriageway for other modes) meaning there could essentially be two linear parks a block apart. This would also presumably make 11th east not barricaded (whoever designed highland to feed off to 11th which ends instead of 13th which serves both sugarhouse and the U is an idiot) and allowing people to use it to access university boulevard. It would also make 8th south a much less ugly street (huge electrical poles, extremely wide road, 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 sidewalk, urban blight... Such a nice street!) and making it a place people "want to be". It could also split bus service up between 8th and 9th and work well for the proposal to have the 9 use 13th east and south campus to terminate at 10 mario capecchi instead of guardsman to terminate in fort Douglas.

[DMTower]

Originally Posted by jubguy3

9th south is actually supposed to get narrowed with the creation of a linear park along it essentially shrinking the carriageway to 32 feet (2 parking lanes, 2 travel lanes) so a one way would work well along this street and potentially get 8th south narrowed too. Making the streets one way doesn't necessarily make them wider, but infact skinnier if the traffic loads from two relatively calm streets can be split in a one way pattern between two streets (I.e. 9th and 8th west of 13th south could easily support being two lanes in each direction implying 4 travel lanes total for both streets, freeing up the carriageway for other modes) meaning there could essentially be two linear parks a block apart. This would also presumably make 11th east not barricaded (whoever designed highland to feed off to 11th which ends instead of 13th which serves both sugarhouse and the U is an idiot) and allowing people to use it to access university boulevard. It would also make 8th south a much less ugly street (huge electrical poles, extremely wide road, 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 sidewalk, urban blight... Such a nice street!) and making it a place people "want to be". It could also split bus service up between 8th and 9th and work well for the proposal to have the 9 use 13th east and south campus to terminate at 10 mario capecchi instead of guardsman to terminate in fort Douglas.

I live in the Central 9th neighborhood right where 9th south is being narrowed as you describe and I think it's perfect as is. It's much more pedestrian friendly than other downtown streets, and the traffic speed is slower because of its configuration. If you make it a one way street you are essentially doubling the lanes which will encourage speeding up and ruin the neighborhood vibe it has going for it. There also isn't any need to make it a one way. It's a calm street and people are used to relying on 5th and 6th south to get across town.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by DMTower

I live in the Central 9th neighborhood right where 9th south is being narrowed as you describe and I think it's perfect as is. It's much more pedestrian friendly than other downtown streets, and the traffic speed is slower because of its configuration. If you make it a one way street you are essentially doubling the lanes which will encourage speeding up and ruin the neighborhood vibe it has going for it. There also isn't any need to make it a one way. It's a calm street and people are used to relying on 5th and 6th south to get across town.

Ok, I think I should have been clearer in one point: 9th and. 8th are not busy streets ( sunny side is though) and combined with traffic calming measures you could actually not widen the streets but essentially split them in half, giving all of the east bound traffic to 9th south (keep in mind the low traffic on these streets) and all of the westbound to 8th, removing more than half of the road (bike lane gone too)and replacing it with a multiuse park for bike travel.

If you need to I can pull up a rendering of a linear park planned for 2nd east to show how much narrower the road would be.

EDIT: http://downtownplanslc.com/c0ntent/uploa...wntown-Community-Plan-public-version.pdf page 68- what I envision for 9th and 8th is for each to be the same as in the diagram except to possible have on parking lane removed (in the future when traffic gets worse, or maybe now if it's bad) but to otherwise be one way (with the toe parking and two travel lanes still) on both 8th and 9th meaning the roads would be calmer, more manageable, more engaged, and less car oriented. Due to the parking in 9th and 9th, traffic could be diverted to both the existing EB and WB lanes to maintain parking.

Otherwise, my plan would significantly narrow both roads.

[Future Mayor]

A couple of points. Study after study has shown that converting existing two way streets to one way streets kills retail on the street and thus results in a much less pedestrian friendly street, because there is nothing much of interest for the pedestrians to look at or walk to.

The reason this happens is that with two way streets if someone is driving by, if they see a store/restaurant they want to visit they can easily turn around at the next intersection and access that establishment from the same street. If they are required to go around the entire block, and in our case those blocks are very large, they often times simply choose not to go through the hassle to go to that establishment. One way streets are always a bad idea, and if 5th and 6th weren't the feeders to and from I-15 I would be all for turning them back into two way streets. I would actually say that they could both easily be turned back another block or two further west. 5th S could change at 4th E or 3rd E instead of 5th E, and 6th S could change at 5th E or even 4th E.

Originally 8th didn't blocked 11th East travel, and while it's not a direct flow through an intersection and requires a soft right turn, for the most part Highland does connect to 13th.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by jubguy3

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This would also presumably make 11th east not barricaded...

11th E was barricaded in the '90s because when you're crossing that intersection, it is very difficult to see cars coming down the hill, which are usually going considerably over the speed limit, which doesn't provide cars crossing the intersection enough time to clear the intersection.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by Stenar

11th E was barricaded in the '90s because when you're crossing that intersection, it is very difficult to see cars coming down the hill, which are usually going considerably over the speed limit, which doesn't provide cars crossing the intersection enough time to clear the intersection.

Why not put traffic calming on 8th and signalize it? This would help the residents that live on 8th, too.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by jubguy3

Why not put traffic calming on 8th and signalize it? This would help the residents that live on 8th, too.

It would be extremely difficult for cars coming down that very steep hill to brake for a red light, especially one that they can't see until they're at the red light. Of course, they could also put a secondary light further up the hill for drivers to see, but I still think it's difficult. You'd probably end up with a LOT of drivers overshooting the intersection and t-boning cars crossing 8th.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by Stenar

It would be extremely difficult for cars coming down that very steep hill to brake for a red light, especially one that they can't see until they're at the red light. Of course, they could also put a secondary light further up the hill for drivers to see, but I still think it's difficult. You'd probably end up with a LOT of drivers overshooting the intersection and t-boning cars crossing 8th.

That's the inherent problem with 8th, and although my one way idea was proved malignant by Future Mayor, keeping 8th eastbound to reduce the cars going down a hill that is admittently very fun to drive may solve that problem although it would be impractical for many reasons.

To disprove the argument that people have to go all the way around the block to go to a certain place, I'm going to point out that narrowing the linear park and maintaining the on street parking means that when someone sees something they can just park a little farther ahead and because some people will reach the end before they can find a place to park, parking should be extended between 10th south and 8th south on 9th east (likewise with many other neighborhoods, although in 15th and 15th that may not be necessary) for overflow, and to accommodate the narrowing of 9th east and to allow 9th and 9th to expand. Street engagement is increased when streets are narrowed to the width of roads like west broadway, which is what 9th south is right now.

[DMTower]

I may be biased because I live at 9th S, but I would be extremely annoyed if it was made into a one way street. I use it all the time, going both directions.

[jubguy3]

Hey guys, I found the below picture on a blog (ok, i was on skyscrapercity sorry) and there was a picture of a trax station running DART kinkisharyo cars... Did UTA ever do a trial with DART kinkisharyo or something else like that?



what i also find bizarre about this picture is that it appears to be gallivan plaza TRAX except its paved in pavers instead of stone and the statues are metal like courthouse but shaped like the sandstone ones at gallivan plaza...


Edit: today i also noticed how much bigger the Arena station is than the others (think about how wide it is, its like 24 feet as opposed to the regular 14), and i find it suprising that it isn't in use at stations like ballpark and stadium with high passenger loads in a short time (well, stadium has both NEB and WB so i guess it doesn't really make much difference, considering that WB is almost as big as a regular station) and also Sandy Expo has high riotinto demands but each station side is very small (people are going to be taking TRAX mostly northbound, because there are few stations south and also frontrunner is north of sandy expo) which i imagine may become a problem considering there is no more room to grow

[Stenar]

That was probably during the Olympics when UTA used a lot of light-rail cars from other transit companies around the country.

Originally Posted by jubguy3

Hey guys, I found the below picture on a blog (ok, i was on skyscrapercity sorry) and there was a picture of a trax station running DART kinkisharyo cars... Did UTA ever do a trial with DART kinkisharyo or something else like that?



what i also find bizarre about this picture is that it appears to be gallivan plaza TRAX except its paved in pavers instead of stone and the statues are metal like courthouse but shaped like the sandstone ones at gallivan plaza...


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