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Old Posted Jun 25, 2014, 10:47 AM
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The water based paint is a federal regulation - blame Harper.

If they have people biking in Calgary and Saskatoon in the winter in dedicated cycle infrastructure we will see it here too.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2014, 12:08 PM
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Calgary and Vancouver can afford to waste money on this like this because they are flush with cash. Despite our spendy HRM Council, we are broke in this province and should only spend money on things that are necessary.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2014, 12:35 PM
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I think the fact that a separated network has been announced shows that they are far ahead in Calgary. I don't know the city very well but my sister moved there recently and I have visited twice in the last two years and I was especially struck but the extensiveness and connectivity of the multi-use path network. We have some of this in Halifax (Dartmouth Waterfront, BLT, HUG) but the connectivity to the urban core is poor. I suppose Halifax is doing all right compared to some smaller cities but we could be doing so much better... Seeing what has been implemented in two years in Vancouver, while in Halifax we've gotten one (now faded) painted lane on Windsor (that is not where a lane was most needed) and perhaps a few other changes I'm not aware of, brings the lack of action into stark relief for me.
That path network is great, and a pride and joy of the city, but it's what I mentioned up above—it's really dedicated to recreation and doesn't provide a good way to get around efficiently. And I think it's amazing that they've got the plans for the separated bike lane pilot project, but it wasn't even a glimmer in anyone's eye a year ago, so it just goes to show how quickly things can change. I lived in Calgary for years, and visit a couple times a year—it's still very much an entrenched car culture, with even inner-city streets being wide and high-speed. If anything, they need separated lanes even more than Halifax, simply for safety.

And with plans for a Hollis lane, and planned cycle tracks in the west end, etc., things are changing here. We need dedicated, separated bike lanes (going to Montreal or Vancouver makes me really envious), and a more cohesive overall network, but I don't think we need to get down on ourselves over it. I'd say Halifax is very nearly on par with Toronto (which has had epic battles over bike infrastructure in recent years).
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2014, 3:25 PM
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Given that the Hollis lane is slated to take up the entire right hand curb, it will only be a matter of time before it becomes separated. Once that is done, a network of separated lanes will slowly begin to appear. You have to entrench the painted lane before you can separate it.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2014, 6:38 PM
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Active Transportation Updates

- In 2014 the Highfield Park entrance to the Burnside Drive AT Greenway will be improved. The greenway will be extended across the school grounds over to Leeman Drive which is slated to become a Local-Street-Bikeway.

- I have it from a trusted source that Morris Street will likely be the next route with marked bicycle lanes following Hollis Street this summer.

The AT Priorities Plan 2014-2019 has been released and will be before Regional Council for approval in the near future. The plan can be viewed here ; http://www.halifax.ca/boardscom/atac/ATACAgenda140619-HRM.php
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2014, 9:05 PM
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With all the caffuffle about bike lanes created by painting lines on the road, I can't help but wonder if they are really necessary. Admittedly it has been a while since I have ridden to any great extent, but I used to put a lot of miles on my bike in city riding and never really had a major issue. For a few years it was my only form of transportation and greatly preferred over taking the bus, as our transit system was woefully inefficient. I would have no problem riding between Cole Harbour and Dalhousie University, using the ferry system to cross the harbour. A bike trip to the valley wasn't out of the question either.

I did have to use my head (i.e. ride defensively, as you should do whether you have bike lanes or not) and do lots of shoulder checks (which every bicyclist should be doing whether in bike lanes or not) because your life is on the line whenever you cycle.

Don't get me wrong, I've "seen it all". Been cut off, had doors open in front of me, pedestrians walk out in front of me, even had other cyclists almost take me out. IMHO, lines painted on the road would not have prevented any of that.

What did help to keep me alive was riding with a heightened sense of awareness and treating every situation as though everbody around me would do the wrong thing. Luckily this was enough to keep me out of a major incident, but I did have some close calls that were only avoided due to attentiveness and a defensive mindset.

I can't help but wonder if this massive outcry for bike lanes is a bit of a farce in that its only real result is to give cyclists a false sense of security.

In these past few years, as I see more and more bike lanes painted on the city streets, I see more and more people ignoring their existence. Bicycle riders and motorists alike, many riding and driving to whatever is most convenient for them and generally not paying attention to these little painted lines on the road. I've seen car drivers mistake bike lanes for another lane to drive in and have prayed that I wouldn't witness a poor cyclist get creamed while minding their own business in the bike lane. I've seen cyclists riding 2 and 3 abreast, bike lane or not, causing cars to cross the center line to get around them while observing the one-metre rule (which in the real world is usually treated like the 3-metre rule for cautious drivers or those who find cyclists' actions to be unpredictable at times). I see both sides not all that concerned for their own or others' safety and the painted lines on the roads being treated as irrelevant.

I do believe there are some instances where they are necessary and useful, such as highways where there wouldn't normally be a defined shoulder and the speed limit is 70 kmh or above, but these lanes are only useful if sufficient space is given for the cyclist to have a buffer zone away from traffic.

In a perfect world, I'd love to see separated, dedicated bike roads in place, combined with an efficient transit system. That would be money well spent - a way to truly contribute to the safety of cyclists, but I realize that the challenge of trying to fit this into a city grid that was conceived over a hundred years ago (or in some cases, a couple hundred+ years ago) would make this an expensive proposition.

For my , I'd like to see the money and energy spent on figuring out where to put painted lanes be put into a higher-level, longer-term plan to do it right in the future. Skip the painted lines and jump right to the step where Calgary is going now. It might take a few more years but would be time and money well spent, not just thrown around on temporary "fixes" in order to appease certain groups in hopes of securing votes in the next election.

That, and some mandatory education and awareness for motorists and cyclists together. Make it a requirement for motorists to take a comprehensive safety course every time their license comes up for renewal - one which includes education on interacting with cyclists and pedestrians alike. A licensing system for bicyclists that included mandatory safety training would go a long way to saving lives as well. This would all have to be at the expense of the person who desires to have the privilege of using public roads for transportation. Sure, it would be unpopular, but would no doubt improve the safety situation for all involved.

I hesitate to post this as I know I will draw the ire of fellow cyclists, but I can't help but wonder if we are going about this the wrong way.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2014, 6:56 PM
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I don't think anyone thinks the painted bike lanes are an ideal solution. A lot of my friends cycle and none of them speak too fondly of the lanes. My understanding is that they're a bit of a "test run" to see if they will get enough use to justify physically-separated bicycle tracks.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2014, 7:59 PM
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Yeah, I understand the situation. I was just thinking that bicycle transportation in this part of the world is no longer a dark art and maybe we should save time and money and forgo the test run to focus on the final design.

That said, I realize that our part of the world is a little more conservative than most and maybe a test run might make it more digestable, politically speaking, for larger scale plans in the future...
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2014, 3:16 PM
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Yeah, I understand the situation. I was just thinking that bicycle transportation in this part of the world is no longer a dark art and maybe we should save time and money and forgo the test run to focus on the final design.

That said, I realize that our part of the world is a little more conservative than most and maybe a test run might make it more digestable, politically speaking, for larger scale plans in the future...
Once the space is claimed for a bike lane, it becomes far easier to say "Well, you may as well put a barrier to separate it from car traffic."
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2014, 6:48 PM
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Bike lanes even in winter cities are proven to increase bikers, thus decreasing car users. This is supported by evidence. Facts also show that diverting people out of cars and into transit/ped/cycles saves money, because it slows the rate at which investment needs to be made in car focused infrastructure. These are all facts, it works, it is working in every city that is doing it. The tipping point is to get a network that has connectivity - so just doing 4 blocks of Brunswick isn't enough, you need connectivity. It doesn't matter on the balance that some cars are disrupted, what matters is that modal split shifts away from cars. Metro Transit ridership has never been higher, the next step is better cycle infrastructure to compliment that, and get more people out of their cars.
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2014, 5:28 PM
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Once the space is claimed for a bike lane, it becomes far easier to say "Well, you may as well put a barrier to separate it from car traffic."
That makes sense. My thinking is why don't we forgo the middle step and go for the gusto. Spend the money once and get it done.

However I do realize that government does not work that way.
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2014, 11:48 PM
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That, and some mandatory education and awareness for motorists and cyclists together. Make it a requirement for motorists to take a comprehensive safety course every time their license comes up for renewal - one which includes education on interacting with cyclists and pedestrians alike. A licensing system for bicyclists that included mandatory safety training would go a long way to saving lives as well. This would all have to be at the expense of the person who desires to have the privilege of using public roads for transportation. Sure, it would be unpopular, but would no doubt improve the safety situation for all involved.
The three "E's" of transportation & infrastructure safety come to mind (and their respective metaphors that I recently came up with):

Engineering = The Blueprint
Education = The Book
Enforcement = The Sword

Showing contempt towards traffic laws is like saying "F*** it. Sleep on the Sword!"

(Then the offending parties may find out the hard way how "sharp" the law can get, if they don't already get into a crash).
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2014, 9:51 AM
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Dalhousie is proposing to build Halifax's first separated bike lane! The idea is to relocate parking off of University Avenue between LeMarchant and Robie and install a bike lane separated from traffic by a white painted buffer and removable plastic pylons. Dalhousie will assume the construction and maintenance costs and the idea is to run a 2-year trial period. HRM will relocate the parking meters but in exchange will meet two of its goals in the five-year AT priorities plan by building a bike lane on University and have at least one separated lane by 2019.

Also as a side note after the Hollis Street bike lane is installed Halifax is planning to build one on Morris Street. Not sure if this will extend up to connect to the Dalhousie proposal or not.

Transportation Standing Committee Report on the Dalhousie Proposal
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2014, 12:09 PM
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Dalhousie is proposing to build Halifax's first separated bike lane! T
Before this gets panned by some bike haters on this thread, I'd like to say that this is fantastic news! The number of cyclists on the peninsula is steadily increasing, with the universities (especially Dal) being at the vanguard. Increasing cyclist safety with the use of a separated bike lane is a proven way to get more people on bikes. Also, I can't see this being nearly as controversial as Windsor or Agricola.

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Old Posted Sep 9, 2014, 12:21 PM
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Why not just put it in the center boulevard strip? Could it be Dalhousie just wants to sell more parking passes?
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2014, 12:25 PM
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BTW, I see the Halifax cycling Coalition has made HRM bow down to them once again by having the "No Parking Mon-Sat" signs removed from Windsor St near the St Antonios Orthodox Church at the corner of Chebucto. The poor cyclists were forced to drive around parked cars belonging to the evil churchgoers attending services for a couple of hours on Sunday mornings. Wait for the media storm that will get whipped up the first day that church attendees get ticketed trying to worship. If the HCC is trying to get everyone in this city turned against them, they are going a great job of it.
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It's been proposed to remove one of the vehicle lanes on University Avenue and make the other one two-way. Presumably, this'd come with a removal of on-street parking anyway. Maybe the proposed bike lanes are a precursor to this?
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2014, 1:22 PM
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BTW, I see the Halifax cycling Coalition has made HRM bow down to them once again by having the "No Parking Mon-Sat" signs removed from Windsor St near the St Antonios Orthodox Church at the corner of Chebucto. The poor cyclists were forced to drive around parked cars belonging to the evil churchgoers attending services for a couple of hours on Sunday mornings. Wait for the media storm that will get whipped up the first day that church attendees get ticketed trying to worship. If the HCC is trying to get everyone in this city turned against them, they are going a great job of it.
It wasn't a bow down it was simply an oversight when the lanes were initially installed. Provincial traffic law says cars cannot park in a bike lane at any time. Stopping is allowed, however. The signs were contradicting this law and parking enforcement couldn't ticket because of the signs so HRM removed them.
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It also wasn't an issue before the bike lanes were installed..
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Some big AT news was put into the public record yesterday at the Active Transportation Committee. The Sackville Greenway project wil be constructed over the next couple of years by the City of Halifax. The sub-grade work will begin later this year and the final paving and bridge installation will occur following the wrap up of The Big Lift in 2016. The section to be constructed this year will be "Section B - Downsview Link" between Old Sackville Rd and Glendale Ave.

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