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Old Posted Jun 11, 2014, 4:51 PM
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I hate to sound cynical, but is it possible that the Georgia St. site was the primary reason that Ian Gillespie bought Central Heat Distribution...of course, the spin in the media was that Ian wanted to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions out of the kindness of his heart and his passion for the environment, but c'mon...

Westbank will magically be granted City approval to move the steam plant to a location of far less value and rezone the existing site to a much higher density so that the value just happens to exceed the $32M value of the purchase of CHD?

If anyone is wondering how Vision will be easily re-elected to another majority on council, just look at Ian Gillespie's track record over the past few years...
Is it really so bad if both parties benefit?

It the steam plan can achieve its purpose in an area with a much lower real estate value isn't it in the interest of all to have it moved?
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2014, 5:39 PM
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I think the plant move which would mean their biomass idea is a bigger question and again the taxpayers might be on the hook:

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Vancouver taxpayers may have to subsidize the conversion of Central Heat Distribution’s system to a low-carbon energy utility, city manager Penny Ballem acknowledged Tuesday.

With the city keen to cut greenhouse gas emissions to meet its Greenest City Action Plan targets, and with the construction of district energy utilities now seen as a major plank in that plan, Vancouver has prepared a number of incentives to help utility owners.

Those incentives, outlined in documents the city issued last year while seeking energy proposals, range from breaks on property taxes to grants and capital financing to bylaws requiring the mandatory hookup of new buildings to low-carbon utilities. The city views them as necessary because neighbourhood utilities, with their need for underground services, are expensive to build.

The likely first test of that plan will be when Creative Energy Canada Platforms, the new owner of Central Heat, prepares a business case for converting its legacy natural gas boilers to a low-carbon source, she said.

Developer Ian Gillespie, the sole director of Creative Energy, told The Vancouver Sun last week he has been in discussions with the city about changing Central Heat to a biomass source of power. He said he will make a call for new biofuel technology this spring and expects to reach a decision soon on a site for a new energy generation plant.

Ballem said Creative Energy/Central Heat is obligated to produce low-carbon energy for the new Northeast False Creek utility district encompassing projects being built by Concord Pacific and Aquilini Investment Group. Those connections will likely be made in the next 18 months, before Creative Energy moves to a new low-carbon source. The city is allowing the phased-in conversion over a number of years, she said.

Brian Crowe, Vancouver’s director of water, sewers and District Energy, said Creative Energy is expected to submit a business plan for low-carbon sources within the next year or two, with plans to convert within five years. It doesn’t have to be biomass, or wood waste, but can be other sources as well, he said.

“We will be very interested when they come forward to the city to look at what their plan is. They will come forward with a business case and will likely want to know what we are going to do to help them,” Ballem said.

“We have already signalled in our guidelines that we have certain things we could bring to the table if necessary and appropriate to help with their business case and to help with the long-term pro-forma of any major utility investment.”

Gillespie did not return a request Tuesday for an interview.

The city’s subsidy support is also likely to be extended to any proponents the city selects for new district utilities, including along the Cambie corridor. Last year the city sought requests for up to two services on the north and south ends of Cambie, one using heat from the BC Children’s Hospital and BC Women’s Hospital and the other using sources around the Oakridge Centre development.

Ballem said the city received four proposals. A decision will be made by council later this year.

The prospect of public subsidies come despite the fact Central Heat, which the B.C. Utilities Commission says is the fifth-largest utility in B.C., has the lowest utility rates in the province, well below BC Hydro and FortisBC.

Central Heat’s rates are also about half that charged by a number of small and medium neighbourhood energy utilities around Metro Vancouver, including the city-owned Southeast False Creek Neighbourhood Energy Utility that powers the Olympic Village.

Mark Jaccard, an energy economist with Simon Fraser University’s School of Resource and Environmental Management, said he doesn’t believe Creative Energy/Central Heat’s utility rates need to be significantly increased to pay for the conversion to low-carbon sources.

“Just changing the energy source should not lead to dramatic rate increases because the big part of rates is the capital in the ground,” he said.

Jaccard was chairman of the B.C. Utilities Commission for five years and oversaw rate applications by Central Heat.

He said while biomass is in large supply in B.C., he’s not convinced it is the best alternative for Vancouver.

“To the extent we understand the science of climate change, just using any fossil fuel as the source is not really moving you that much further to a sustainable solution,” he said. “I actually had been critical of Vancouver’s Greenest City Action Plan because I told them they weren’t really encouraging enough fuel-switching. You need to be using fuels that are not fossil fuels.”

Aldyen Connelly, an energy consultant who works with companies in reducing greenhouse gas emissions, said Central Heat in its earliest days used geothermal energy to power its system but switched to natural gas when rates were low. She said Creative Energy should go back to using that system.

“Of all of the options for generating green district heat supply for Vancouver, a biomass waste-based system has to be the most expensive, requiring the largest subsidies,” said Donnelly. “Geothermal heat pumps, like the system that has been serving the Capers development on West 4th Avenue for almost two decades, make much more economic sense, especially for developments close to the waterfront. Why is the City talking about the options that require the largest subsidies right from the get-go?”
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2014, 5:43 PM
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Is it really so bad if both parties benefit?

It the steam plan can achieve its purpose in an area with a much lower real estate value isn't it in the interest of all to have it moved?
I have no problem with the facility moving, it would seem to make sense...just the amount of influence Ian Gillespie has over the City doesn't smell good...I'm sure he got the "wink" from someone at the City about what he could rezone the property for long before he made the decision to buy an energy company.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2014, 5:53 PM
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I doubt there was even a wink, with all that implies. If that site were no longer encumbered by a utility, why would the City not consider a rezoning proposal? It's a prime site adjacent to BC Place, near Rogers Arena, kitty-corner to the new Art Gallery, at the end of the Georgia Street 'ceremonial street', situated along the small 'hotel row' on Beatty, in easy walking distance of the CBD, etc., etc. Lots of easy rationale for a rezoning letter right there. Plus consider the land lift from a legacy utility site to a substantial mixed-use development, well that'll be huge. CACs for everyone!
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2014, 6:06 PM
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It would be earthshattering if Central Heat proposed to burn garbage, but that won't happen.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2014, 6:20 PM
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The Arbutus Biomass Green Energy Corridor anyone?
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2014, 6:23 PM
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Yes!
Locate the plant under Burrard Bridge on aboriginal land, and use the railway line to transport fuel (garbage?) to it.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2014, 7:02 PM
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Guys back on topic
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