The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread - Page 487

hebertovich · #**9721** Posted **May 30, 2014, 2:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by MountPleasant

I feel like it would be inevitable to expand the old courthouse.

I would say, build upward. Like NYC Hearst Tower, but obviously on a smaller scale. Halifax has done something similar to an old downtown building as well

It would make for a neat dynamic

Oh if only

MountPleasant · #**9722** Posted **May 30, 2014, 2:56 PM**

#pipedream

Taeolas · #**9723** Posted **May 30, 2014, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by MountPleasant

#pipedream

#pipelinedream ?

Walk then Run · #**9724** Posted **May 30, 2014, 11:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by WharfRat

New Brunswick Museum seeks $40-million expansion
Move from location in Market Square pondered as space doesn't meet current museum standards
CBC May27, 2014
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunsw...eum-seeks-40-million-expansion-1.2655246

I hope that the museum stays in the uptown core, there isn't much happening on Douglas Avenue and I believe it would be best to have all those visitors remain and spend their money uptown. 91 King Street would be a good fit.

RR Drummer · #**9725** Posted **May 31, 2014, 8:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Walk then Run

I hope that the museum stays in the uptown core, there isn't much happening on Douglas Avenue and I believe it would be best to have all those visitors remain and spend their money uptown. 91 King Street would be a good fit.

I agree totally, keeping the museum in the Uptown is important. 91 King Street would be a nice choice for sure.

Wolkenkratzerliebhab · #**9726** Posted **Jun 5, 2014, 5:11 AM**

The killings in Moncton is just terrible, I hope they get this guy and soon! The story is trending (#1 on Google trends) all over the world. The New York Times reports, wrongly, that St. John is the capitol. My thoughts are with the people of Moncton and especially for those directly effected by this story.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2014/06/05/world/ap-cn-canada-shooting.html?ref=world&_r=0

MonctonRad · #**9727** Posted **Jun 5, 2014, 11:44 AM**

Thanks. Very weird driving into work today. The streets are deserted. Mountain Rd was completely blockaded at Gorge, Mounties in body armour with shotguns drawn. The whole city is shut down (except of course the Moncton Hospital where I work). The hospital itself is in lockdown. I had to show ID to get in. The OR's are still being held on standby, prepared for mass casualties.

MountPleasant · #**9728** Posted **Jun 5, 2014, 12:25 PM**

Heart goes out to Moncton and RCMP*

UptownJeff · #**9729** Posted **Jun 8, 2014, 10:53 PM**

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...rty-label-for-oil-sands/article19007307/

Interesting article in The Globe. I also heard a rumour - yes, only a rumour! that once the official approval on the the pipeline is given, Irving Oil is ready to launch a major expansion of the refinery AND as I heard, a 2nd refinery is not ruled out. Now, I know there are many on this site who "know 100%" that a 2nd refinery will never happen so don't jump all over me - it was a rumour I heard from who I would consider a good source. So, fingers crossed everyone - if in fact this does happen, it will set in motion many other projects in Saint John....here's hoping!!

MountPleasant · #**9730** Posted **Jun 9, 2014, 1:53 AM**

I am all for Irving doing well for the city, but can we talk about how the city can diversify and lessen its reliance on the Irving group?

nwalbert · #**9731** Posted **Jun 9, 2014, 11:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by UptownJeff

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...rty-label-for-oil-sands/article19007307/

Interesting article in The Globe. I also heard a rumour - yes, only a rumour! that once the official approval on the the pipeline is given, Irving Oil is ready to launch a major expansion of the refinery AND as I heard, a 2nd refinery is not ruled out. Now, I know there are many on this site who "know 100%" that a 2nd refinery will never happen so don't jump all over me - it was a rumour I heard from who I would consider a good source. So, fingers crossed everyone - if in fact this does happen, it will set in motion many other projects in Saint John....here's hoping!!

Great news! I have heard similar rumors. If not a second refinery a major expansion will be needed with the massive amounts of unrefined product the pipeline will deliver.

nwalbert · #**9732** Posted **Jun 9, 2014, 11:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by MountPleasant

I am all for Irving doing well for the city, but can we talk about how the city can diversify and lessen its reliance on the Irving group?

On that note.... Expect an announcement shortly on an $8M restoration project shortly in the core. I can't say too much as I am personally involved but its going to be a great addition to uptown.

UptownJeff · #**9733** Posted **Jun 9, 2014, 1:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by MountPleasant

I am all for Irving doing well for the city, but can we talk about how the city can diversify and lessen its reliance on the Irving group?

Agreed - In my opinion, if the pipeline does come AND there is an expansion/addition at the refinery, this should create a number of well paying jobs. In turn, spin off businesses should thrive but to "mountpleasant"s point, we should also be looking at bringing unrelated industries to the City/area. I for one, have always thought some sort of "tech" industry would do well here - cheap housing, ready access to the US and European markets - possibly a silicone valley on the east coast?

MountPleasant · #**9734** Posted **Jun 9, 2014, 1:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by UptownJeff

Agreed - In my opinion, if the pipeline does come AND there is an expansion/addition at the refinery, this should create a number of well paying jobs. In turn, spin off businesses should thrive but to "mountpleasant"s point, we should also be looking at bringing unrelated industries to the City/area. I for one, have always thought some sort of "tech" industry would do well here - cheap housing, ready access to the US and European markets - possibly a silicone valley on the east coast?

Great! It's hard to have a community discussion about this topic as I can't imagine the paper taking any stance on this LOL

But it is probably one of the most significant issues the city has— easily.

If our leaders had the foresight, we could have pushed to attract tidal power companies, like we see happening in Maine and NS, to SJ but I have heard Irving has the 'rights' to any tidal research in NB... Call me crazy.. but isn't that crazy!?

Wolkenkratzerliebhab · #**9735** Posted **Jun 9, 2014, 3:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by nwalbert

Great news! I have heard similar rumors. If not a second refinery a major expansion will be needed with the massive amounts of unrefined product the pipeline will deliver.

I've heard the new president of Irving Oil once say, on ATV, Live @ Five, and just I'm paraphrasing here: "..... if the pipeline goes through, then the odds of a second refinery is much higher than the odds of it not being built."

Walk then Run · #**9736** Posted **Jun 9, 2014, 11:08 PM**

A major issue the refinery has is the large bottle-neck in getting their product out to market (c/o East Saint John marine terminal). As well, the amount of tank storage for final products is limited. Both create headaches when vessels can't come in or out due to weather or if they miss the tide. This produces a large amount of inventory, which can contribute to a scaling back of crude production...

So what does this all mean...either Irving is going to revamp the ESJ marine terminal NOT, change physics to control the tides NOT EVEN IRVING CAN DO THIS, or they are going to do something really interesting at the LNG / Canaport area. Only then would it make sense to explore a Coker or a second refinery.

I would expect a lot of development / redevelopment in the Canaport area, especially once the pipeline gets approval.

RR Drummer · #**9737** Posted **Jun 9, 2014, 11:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wolkenkratzerliebhab

I've heard the new president of Irving Oil once say, on ATV, Live @ Five, and just I'm paraphrasing here: "..... if the pipeline goes through, then the odds of a second refinery is much higher than it not being built."

There is a lot to yet be determined however the pipeline means much more to Irving and to Saint John and New Brunswick than most realize. It is HUGE! There is so much potential that even those in the know can't pinpoint what is going to actually be needed to process what the pipeline will bring to us. Add to that the spinoffs that will ensue in other businesses and industries in and around Saint John.

Walk then Run · #**9738** Posted **Jun 9, 2014, 11:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by RR Drummer

Add to that the spinoffs that will ensue in other businesses and industries in and around Saint John.

Could not agree more! Top of the lists are chemical, pharmaceutical and plastic plants just to name a few.

MountPleasant · #**9739** Posted **Jun 10, 2014, 12:08 PM**

It's not huge. But I read somewhere that the province has assigned a task force to specifically get as much spin off from the pipeline, attract Alberta companies to SJ, etc. if they are successful, then maybe it will be something.

I don't know how thrilled I am about more pollution coming out of SJ. It deters a lot of people from staying, it takes away from SJ's astonishing natural beauty.

kwajo · #**9740** Posted **Jun 10, 2014, 12:24 PM**

On a more tangible (and greener) note, there is a lot of activity around developing Tin Can Beach in the South End to provide a better street corridor and viewscape park.

The middle image is a rendering of the tree planting ACAP Saint John is doing this Summer starting in phases this July, and there will be further development afterward, perhaps something along the lines of the third image which was put together for fun by Acre Architects.