YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[PaperTiger]

Oops, there's Toronto at #10.

[trofirhen]

double post (see above)

[nname]

Originally Posted by PaperTiger

Oops, there's Toronto at #10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h4baBEi0iA

[PaperTiger]

And I was right, LAX is SEA's largest domestic. More than double the pax to YVR.

SEA - LAX is listed at 880,000. YVR-LAX is 753,000. SEA-YVR 382,000

I think when it comes to Air travel the "transborder" designation is misleading.

[PaperTiger]

Does anyone know the number of passengers between YVR and YYZ or YYC? Just curious to see how they compare to LAX.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by PaperTiger

And I was right, LAX is SEA's largest domestic. More than double the pax to YVR.

SEA - LAX is listed at 880,000. YVR-LAX is 753,000. SEA-YVR 382,000

I think when it comes to Air travel the "transborder" designation is misleading.

Perhaps it is misleading, but YVR-LAX lags only a certain degree behind SEA-LAX .... still a big market.

I wonder what YVR-YYZ is? Anybody know? Surely that would be YVR's busiest domestic route.

[Denscity]

But as far as transborder is LAX's Vancouver? International #7 is Vancouver but crossing one border is it Vancouver or more likely somewhere in Mexico?

[PaperTiger]

Originally Posted by Denscity

But as far as transborder is LAX's Vancouver? International #7 is Vancouver but crossing one border is it Vancouver or more likely somewhere in Mexico?

Mexico city has only 16,000 more PAX than YVR. 769,000 v 753,000

[Canadian74]

YVR-YYZ would be easily over 1 million.

[Valley_Refugee]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

YVR-YYZ would be easily over 1 million.

I recall a story on anna.aero a few years ago showing YVR-YYZ being Canada's busiest domestic route in terms of seats per week (YYZ-YUL for number of flights). Could not find updated (non-Wikipedia) stats on a cursory search.

[Johnny Aussie]

Widebodies on LAX!

Originally rouge was to drop YVR-LAX to 3 daily 319s (from 4) effective late Oct.

A further revision has the early flight becoming a daily 763 effective 28 November right through the entire winter sched through April.

Further to my last rouge post...

This will boost YVR-LAX seats up over 45% compared to last winter.

With the increase in seats to LAX (+45%), SFO (+40%), LAS (+ 100%), HNL (+55%), OGG (+55%), and the new route to PHX (I hear PSP also in the works) this is bordering on flooding new capacity transborder. Perhaps a big smack at Westjet.

[Genauso]

Cool observation JohnnyAussie. I would never have noticed that change in capacity, never mind guess She Canada's intentions.

I know the Philippines were recently mentioned, so this might be redundant but an announcement was officially made on the Canadian side. http://www.straight.com/life/661081/air-...e-flights-between-canada-and-philippines

TRANSPORT MINISTER LISA Raitt has announced a new agreement that should increase air travel between Canada and the Philippines.


There were 430,000 one-way passenger trips between the two countries last year, which is up 22.5 percent since 2008.

According to a federal government announcement, the expanded Canada-Philippines Air Transport Agreement offers airlines "greater flexibility" to use flights of other countries' airlines through code-sharing and for airlines to alter prices in response to consumer demand.

Raitt made the announcement in Mississauga with Sen. Tobias Enverga, who's the first member of Canada's upper chamber of Philippine descent.

There were 662,605 Canadian residents who self-identified as being of Philippine descent in the 2011 census, according to Statistics Canada.

The Philippines was the largest source of immigrants to Canada between 2006 and 2011.

The 152,300 arrivals from the Philippines accounted for 13.1 percent of all immigrants to Canada over that period.

The next largest source country over that five-year period was China, where 122,100 immigrants came from, followed closely by India at 121,400.

The United States was fourth, followed by Pakistan, the United Kingdom, Iran, South Korea, Colombia, and Mexico.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Genauso

Cool observation JohnnyAussie. I would never have noticed that change in capacity, never mind guess She Canada's intentions.

I know the Philippines were recently mentioned, so this might be redundant but an announcement was officially made on the Canadian side. http://www.straight.com/life/661081/air-...e-flights-between-canada-and-philippines

Not redundant at all. Just shows Canada is at least taking an interest in talking about the ties between the two countries from a Canadian perspective.

Also interesting to note the three biggest sources of immigration to Canada already have huge populations in the Vancouver area which I am sure will increase flights to Asia further. Like Rovinescu said AC's push will now be mainly to Asia over the next 10 years as there was the large European expansion this year mainly from YYZ and YUL.

I think the biggest indication in an increase in flights to YVR is the comment by the president of PAL stating they were anxious to get this resolved so they could add flights from MNL to NYC via YVR.

Now they just require CTA approval and then I expect an announcement will be imminent. Looking at a late fall 2014 start.

[trofirhen]

Wonderful to see YVR going great guns on increasing Asia-Pacific traffic. But will there ever be any more destinations anywhere else?
Europe, (faint possibility of South America), Miami, India, whatever? I'm all for what's happening, for sure, but it seems a bit uneven in the overall route develpment development scheme (though that's natural to a large degree, given YVR's location). Still ....

[Johnny Aussie]

^ Ah yes

If you look at the demographics of YVR and the continuing number of immigrants from Asia (East Asia, South-East Asia, South Asia) compared to sources from the rest of the world, that is where the compass is pointed. West from YVR.

However, compared to any other city in North America of similar size and you will not find one city with better air service to Europe already. In fact, unless the city is one of the megaplexes (say > 5 million) or one of the big American carrier super hubs, you will not find better service to Europe from anywhere else in North America.

[Kapten]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

^ Ah yes

If you look at the demographics of YVR and the continuing number of immigrants from Asia (East Asia, South-East Asia, South Asia) compared to sources from the rest of the world, that is where the compass is pointed. West from YVR.

However, compared to any other city in North America of similar size and you will not find one city with better air service to Europe already. In fact, unless the city is one of the megaplexes (say > 5 million) or one of the big American carrier super hubs, you will not find better service to Europe from anywhere else in North America.

Actually, there's a non-megaplex, non-hub city in North America with better European Service: Boston.

Here's a summary of *Vancouver's* (YVR) European service

Year Round Service:
London Heathrow, Frankfurt, Amsterdam (3 cities total)

Seasonal Service:
London Gatwick, Glasgow, Manchester, Paris-DeGaulle, Zurich, Reykjavik, Munich (7 cities total).

Here's the Boston summary:

Year Round Service:
Dublin, Shannon, Parid-DeGaulle, Rome-Fiumicino, London Gatwick, Frankfurt, Munich, Manchester, Lisbon, London Heathrow, Reykjavik, Zurich, Istanbul (13 cities total)

Seasonal Service:
Madrid (1 total)

One could reasonably argue that service from Orlando to/from Europe surpasses YVR's (year-round non-stop service to Oslo, London-Gatwick, Frankfurt, Manchester, & Dublin plus seasonal service to Belfast, Birmingham, Cardiff, London-Stansted). Orlando-Sanford has additional year-round service to Birmingham, London-Gatwick, Manchester, & Amsterdam plus seasonal service to East Midlands, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Reykjavik, & Manchester. So the two Orlando airports, which serve a population roughly equal to Metro Vancouver's population, offer service to 7 European cities year-round and 8 European airports seasonally.

I really think that YVR needs to work on attracting additional European service, especially in the year-round category. It would be great to have year-round service to:
Paris
Oslo (via Norwegian Air Shuttle)
Rome or Milan
Zurich
Madrid
Copenhagen
Dublin

[trofirhen]

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[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Kapten

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I really think that YVR needs to work on attracting additional European service, especially in the year-round category. It would be great to have year-round service to:
Paris
Oslo (via Norwegian Air Shuttle)
Rome or Milan
Zurich
Madrid
Copenhagen
Dublin

Exactly. Precisely. The only question being the yield factor on these routes.
Whew, love to see the Nowegian 787 to Oslo, plus all the others !!
(Munich might fit in there sowhere, too, perhaps.)

[SFUVancouver]

Pretty sure I saw JAL's 787 depart this afternoon. Very sharp looking plane and noticeably more quiet that a 777.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Kapten

Actually, there's a non-megaplex, non-hub city in North America with better European Service: Boston.

Here's a summary of *Vancouver's* (YVR) European service

Year Round Service:
London Heathrow, Frankfurt, Amsterdam (3 cities total)

Seasonal Service:
London Gatwick, Glasgow, Manchester, Paris-DeGaulle, Zurich, Reykjavik (6 cities total).

Here's the Boston summary:

Year Round Service:
Dublin, Shannon, Parid-DeGaulle, Rome-Fiumicino, London Gatwick, Frankfurt, Munich, Manchester, Lisbon, London Heathrow, Reykjavik, Zurich, Istanbul (13 cities total)

Seasonal Service:
Madrid (1 total)

One could reasonably argue that service from Orlando to/from Europe surpasses YVR's (year-round non-stop service to Oslo, London-Gatwick, Frankfurt, Manchester, & Dublin plus seasonal service to Belfast, Birmingham, Cardiff, London-Stansted). Orlando-Sanford has additional year-round service to Birmingham, London-Gatwick, Manchester, & Amsterdam plus seasonal service to East Midlands, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Reykjavik, & Manchester. So the two Orlando airports, which serve a population roughly equal to Metro Vancouver's population, offer service to 7 European cities year-round and 8 European airports seasonally.

I really think that YVR needs to work on attracting additional European service, especially in the year-round category. It would be great to have year-round service to:
Paris
Oslo (via Norwegian Air Shuttle)
Rome or Milan
Zurich
Madrid
Copenhagen
Dublin

Funny I was going to specifically mention Orlando, but I suppose anybody shouldn't wonder why Orlando does have this much service?

I thought that was obvious.

Boston is the 6th largest CMA in the USA with a population of almost 8 million..... so like I said....

OK, outside Orlando and all other massive metroplex or large super hub.

Let's be realistic....

I stand by my original comment.