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Old Posted Oct 15, 2013, 11:17 AM
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Old hospitals like that are too difficult to renovate for other uses. The old hospital in Thunder Bay that was demolished a few years ago (it took about 4 months) had concrete interior walls that made any other use prohibitively expensive. Place was built like a tank, though. Probably could have withstood a nuclear bomb.
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Old hospitals like that are too difficult to renovate for other uses. The old hospital in Thunder Bay that was demolished a few years ago (it took about 4 months) had concrete interior walls that made any other use prohibitively expensive. Place was built like a tank, though. Probably could have withstood a nuclear bomb.
With the good will to do it, it is possible to bring new life to old hospital buildings. Montreal will have such a challenge now that the historic Victoria hospital and the even more historic Hotel-Dieu, both near the Mont royal, are to be closed when the new McGill super hospital and the CHUM opens. It will be very interresting to see what happens with those structures.... One thing is sure, they won't be demolished.
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Investment need to be made in preserving history. It's not like these old buildings have structural issues; they were built to last forever and if Europe can continue using or re-purpose centuries old buildings, no doubt Canada could do the same for our huge, solid, functional pre-war buildings.
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Absolutely! I'm glad we're starting to finally learn and adapt to this reality in Canada. Also, I know it's not ideal in the sense of what you are saying, but I really love it when they refurbish low-rise heritage buildings and add a couple modern floors on top.
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Investment need to be made in preserving history. It's not like these old buildings have structural issues; they were built to last forever and if Europe can continue using or re-purpose centuries old buildings, no doubt Canada could do the same for our huge, solid, functional pre-war buildings.
Most European cities are probably on their fourth or fifth generation of buildings (at the very least), with those old buildings having been built when those cities were, well, cities. Our historic buildings were mostly built when our cities were towns. I'll admit that there are some needless demolitions, but most of the time it's because the city grew and needed a bigger building there.
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With the good will to do it, it is possible to bring new life to old hospital buildings.
It takes more than just good will sometimes. You need a market to make any venture successful. If no one wants to invest in your idea, it won't happen.

There is an architect in Thunder Bay who owns a lot of historic buildings, simply to prevent them from being torn down. He has a vision, but no money to actually implement it.
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Most European cities are probably on their fourth or fifth generation of buildings (at the very least), with those old buildings having been built when those cities were, well, cities. Our historic buildings were mostly built when our cities were towns. I'll admit that there are some needless demolitions, but most of the time it's because the city grew and needed a bigger building there.
The new hospital is barely taller than the old one and probably pretty close the same square footage. They could have adapted the new building to fit the lot without tearing down the old one.

In Ottawa, we've torn down a lot of nice of buildings for new slightly larger ones, and in some cases smaller. The Ogilvy on Rideau was a 5 story masterpiece; amazing architecture and likely one of the most solid buildings in the city, but it was demolished for a 4 storey mall expansion and underground parking. They could have easily integrated the mall into the Ogilvy and the new parking isn't really necessary.
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Not a demolition as much as evidence of a demolition, but I found this picture on Torontoist that shows the cross section of a building that was formerly there:


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The Bank of Toronto building in 1930 (at right in 1st pic), on the corner of St-Jacques and McGill has been replaced in 1960 by the Toronto Dominion Bank, created after the fusion of the Bank of Toronto and the Dominion Bank in 1955:



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I never minded the TD building, but I had no idea what it replaced!!
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that td building is one of the most visible signs of the decline of saint-jacques street as a financial center. to build that thing ten years before the td center in toronto is a clear signifier of where td thought the money would be in the coming decades.
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Hotel de la Montagne

Hotel de la Montagne

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Hotel de la Montagne 3 by Vanishing Montréal, on Flickr

December 30

Hotel de la Montagne 9 by Vanishing Montréal, on Flickr

http://www.vanishingmontreal.com/2014/01/hotel-de-la-montagne-on-de-la-montagne.html

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good riddance, the ugly concrete beast, but I will miss the rooftop bar.
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Women's College Hospital Toronto.


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Old Posted Feb 15, 2014, 6:02 PM
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Source: The Gazette

Redpath mansion demolition to go ahead as planned

BY MICHELLE LALONDE, THE GAZETTE FEBRUARY 14, 2014


MONTREAL - Friday’s snowstorm forced a postponement of the demolition of the historic Redpath mansion, but the developer says what’s left of the building will soon come down to make way for an upscale student residence.

The building on 3455 Avenue du Musée was originally built for a member of the Redpath family, of sugar-refining fame, back in 1886. It passed through many owners, and was being used as a shelter for the homeless when Amos and Avi Sochaczevski purchased it in early 1986.

The property is now managed by Amos’s son Michael Sochaczevski, who told The Gazette on Friday that his family has been trying to develop the site responsibly for decades, and never intended to practise “demolition by neglect,” as heritage activists claim.

He blames “the city and the economic climate of Montreal” for the sorry state of the property, which is in the heart of Montreal’s fabled Golden Square Mile.

After purchasing the property in January of 1986, the Sochaczevski brothers began to demolish the house to make way for a four-storey, $4-million condominium. Heritage activists obtained an injunction to stop that project, arguing proper procedures had not been followed to obtain a demolition permit.

After the injunction was granted, the Sochaczevski brothers sat down with the newly elected administration of then-Mayor Jean Doré and heritage groups. They hammered out a deal that would have allowed the developers to build a slightly higher building — five storeys — if they integrated the façade of the old house into the new building.

But the project stagnated.

“At that point in the ’80s, nothing was being built in Montreal,” Sochaczevski said. “There was no market for it, so we didn’t do anything.”

Ten years later, as Montreal’s economy started to pick up, the developers tried to revive the project, but by then Montreal had updated its zoning bylaws and the project no longer conformed.

“Then about four years ago, Mayor (Gérald) Tremblay met me at a cocktail party and said: ‘Let’s do something with that site; it’s really an eyesore,’ ” Sochaczevski said.

So for two years, the developers worked with the planning department of the Ville-Marie borough, together designing a new project for the site. After lengthy negotiations, they agreed on a seven-storey luxury condominium project with 14 units and 28 underground parking spots.

The project passed two readings at the borough council, but then, another stall.

“Two weeks before it was going to third reading, Tremblay called me up to say, ‘Michael, I’m pulling my support.’”

The mayor apparently said the Museum of Fine Arts was complaining the project was too high and would block the view of the mountain from its annex. Without the mayor’s support, the project floundered once again.

A couple more years passed, and the borough began issuing what Sochaczevski called “nuisance fines, for this and that” and again pressuring him to do something with the site.

Fed up, he went to borough planners and asked what he could build that would not require a zoning change, or a public consultation or “any dealings with city counsellors.”

They told him he could build a four-storey rooming house, so Sochaczevski came back with a design for an upscale student residence, with 29 suites and 89 bedrooms, that will rent at about $1,000 a month per bedroom. He got a permit to demolish and build the residence in December.

Heritage activists still say the borough has cheated Montrealers out of public hearings on the demolition, which would be required if 50 per cent or more of the original house was still intact. Sochaczevski claims 85 per cent of the house was demolished back in 1986 before the injunction was issued. Heritage groups dispute this figure.

In any case, Sochaczevski says the demolition will go ahead as soon as the weather allows, and some students will have a brand new residence just a few blocks from McGill on the site of the old Redpath mansion, come September.

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^A thoroughly shameful performance by all sides. Real shame.

Along with the Victorian houses being systematically destroyed around Concordia, Heritage Montreal has really been useless lately.

What are they, too busy trying to fix Viger square?
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Elected Jackasses of Canadian Cities, listen up!!!!

-Create BYLAWS PROTECTING OUR HERITAGE!!!

-Create HUGE FINES for DIP SHITS who let HISTORIC BUILDINGS DECAY!!!

If someone buys/owns a historic building, they have the responsibility to restore it and upkeep it. Plain and simple!
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That church in Hamilton is coming down?

I only wish we had a few more like that here in Calgary.

Edit: Appears there's more to the story behind this church including no congregation and it's poor condition.
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