Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[queetz@home]

Goodness gracious must we over analyse everything! "Production Way - SFU" or the original "Production Way - University", or even a simplified "Production Way" are fine and if a station must be named for the mythical gondola, then "Burnaby Mountain" should suffice.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

^ I agree on all those points. I hope that when Translink redoes the signage they can finally rename 'Production Way-University' to 'Production Way-SFU'. We don't have bus routes going to UBC called "99 University", "49 University", "480 University". etc., nor does the Millennium Line have its terminus at "Community College-Clark" station.

Would be confusing for many because the station isn't exactly at SFU. It's like having the Waterfront station renamed: Waterfront-North Vancouver, or even Burrard-Stanley Park. At least the connecting buses going up the hill say SFU.

[jsbertram]

Nighttime Deliveries Near Murray Street

During the week of June 2, large concrete beams (girders) will be delivered to a worksite near Murray Street and Klahanie Drive. Nighttime deliveries are required due to the size of the girders and the high volume of daytime traffic on Murray Street. The girders will be used on the elevated section of the Evergreen Line guideway that crosses over the railway tracks and Suter Brook Creek.

more info:
http://egrtconstruction.ca/media-centre/news/nighttime-deliveries-near-murray-street/

PDF version:
http://egrtconstruction.ca/wp-content/up...-Deliveries-Near-Murray-Street-FINAL.pdf



How long before the howling starts?
"the tracks are too tall"
"the trains will be blocking my views"

and the inevitable "My house value has fallen because of this ..."

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

There are definitely huge advantages to running to Production Way:

Better access to Braid Station
Braid is a popular transfer station for express buses from Surrey (#555) and express buses from the Tri-cities area. That area will also be more important going forward as the community on United & King Edward gets built.

SFU students coming into Braid by bus will not have to transfer at Lougheed.
M-Line West passengers can easily transfer at Production Way so they don't have to fight with the crowd at Lougheed.

Sapperton station
There's a whole community being built there which has LOTS of rental units in it. Better access to SFU for them. Also, Translink has a building there.

SFU Surrey
A whole bunch of students who will avoid the double transfer from their Surrey campus.

SFU Burnaby
Centralized Transfer for all students from either the Evergreen Line or M-Line or Expo Line.

Downtown to SFU is still a one-train ride

With Production, Lougheed and Burquitlam all being major bus transfer stations, why can't all three have buses that run to/from SFU?

That way, regardless of what Skytrain line you use (except Expo) and whichever direction you are going, you can transfer to/from the SFU bus at the station that makes the best connection for your train.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by giallo

^ That sucks. Hopefully, they figure out how to get through the steel section. Six month is a long time to have a expensive piece of equipment like that sitting around.

My reading of this article and others is that a new access shaft has to be dug right at the front of the machine, because the forgotten steel drill shaft has damaged the TBM's digging face. The access shaft will allow for complete removal of the steel pipe and other pieces of the drill shaft hit by the TBM. Then the TBM digging face has to be lifted up to the surface where it can be repaired and then lowered back down & re-attached to the main TBM again.

The shaft will be filled in & the TBM fired up to continue constructing it's tunnel.

easy-peasy!

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

With Production, Lougheed and Burquitlam all being major bus transfer stations, why can't all three have buses that run to/from SFU?

Oooh don't get me started on the lack of SFU bus from Lougheed. The 145 coming from Lougheed was PERFECT before the Millenium Line for those of us that used to take the 147, now the 97 B-Line....

You do have a good point about Production and Burquitlam...and I think if they are going to change the name of "Production Way - University", they should just call it "Production Way" and drop any references towards SFU. The last thing you want are SFU students originating from Coquitlam Station would not get off at Burquitlam because they would get *confused* and think Production is the only station that has access to the school since it would have the word "SFU" or "University" on it...

[dpogue]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

There are definitely huge advantages to running to Production Way:

Better access to Braid Station
Braid is a popular transfer station for express buses from Surrey (#555) and express buses from the Tri-cities area. That area will also be more important going forward as the community on United & King Edward gets built.

SFU students coming into Braid by bus will not have to transfer at Lougheed.
M-Line West passengers can easily transfer at Production Way so they don't have to fight with the crowd at Lougheed.

The #555 bus will be running between Lougheed and Carvolth once Hwy. 1 is done. Braid is just a temporary terminus.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

.. because the forgotten steel drill shaft has damaged the TBM's digging face.

Off-topic, but it may be more fundamental than that - could be that the seals can't keep the sand out because of the huge size of the machine.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2022992719_berthasealsxml.html

[queetz@home]

Can't you guys just start a thread in the Seattle forum so you can talk about Big Bertha over there instead of in this thread?

On topic...

Originally Posted by adrianroam95

The gantry crane was moved this morning such that the "main" part of the crane is now above Cottonwood Ave. When I passed by that area at 9pm today (Friday May 30th) they had northbound traffic funnelling into one lane which was diverted west of the columns, as they were hoisting the first guideway segments into place above Cottonwood.

I must say, progress is sure moving along pretty fast.

I just drove by, it was a little dark and I did have to navigate through that one lane diversion so I didn't get a glimpse whether the whole segment is complete. But it looks like it should be completed for sure by tomorrow, and the crane may even move as early as tomorrow night or Wednesday.

I wonder if the one lane diversion will remain in place until the guideway crossing the northbound lane of North Road is complete....

[nname]

The segment that crosses Cottonwood was complete as of this morning but the crane was still on top of that segment.

The next segment would be the one that crosses North Road.

[queetz@home]

Well there you have it!

Though I did see the segment was still attached to the crane. Maybe they will unattach it tonite or tomorrow and then move the crane to cross North Road...

[finalcoolman]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

Well there you have it!

Though I did see the segment was still attached to the crane. Maybe they will unattach it tonite or tomorrow and then move the crane to cross North Road...

I think they keep the crane attatched for a bit after completing the segment for the epoxy to cure.

[adrianroam95]

Originally Posted by finalcoolman

I think they keep the crane attatched for a bit after completing the segment for the epoxy to cure.

Wow, three days, and boom, another segment is done. Let's get this thing down to Lougheed. At this rate, they'll get there by the end of summer -- as scheduled -- easily.

[Jimbo604]

Simple question, when you are on the evergreen line will you be able to go straight through to the Millennium line without changing trains?

Can someone point to any official document/webpage on line that has this information?

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Jimbo604

Can someone point to any official document/webpage on line that has this information?

http://www.partnershipsbc.ca/files-4/project-elrt-schedules/Schedule-4_Part-2_Article-1.pdf

plus...

Originally Posted by officedweller

BTW, here's the pic from the Annual Report.
The fact that there are several of them overlapping may suggest that they represent various options.
Note, however, that the enlarged circles at Production and Lougheed represent the designation for a "transfer station".
The Production "transfer station" would save Coquitlam bound passengers from Braid the hassle of an up and down transfer at Lougheed (as well as the obvious convenience to SFU students)


http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Document...w/annual_reports/annual_report_2013.ashx

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by Jimbo604

Simple question, when you are on the evergreen line will you be able to go straight through to the Millennium line without changing trains?

Can someone point to any official document/webpage on line that has this information?

There is nothing 'official' from Translink, but the Evergreen construction planning documents indicate that when completed, the trains will be running straight across Burnaby to Coquitlam. ie: from VCC-Clark to Douglas-Lafarge. Whether they will be called "Millennium Line" or "Evergreen Line" trains hasn't been told to the public, but the documents suggest it will be "Evergreen Line".


Another unknown is what the segment between Columbia and Lougheed via Braid will be called.

a) If the VCC -Douglas line is "Millennium Line", this Braid segment could be the second Expo Line terminating at Lougheed.

b) If the VCC -Douglas line is "Evergreen Line", the Millennium Line could run from Waterfront through New West (just like it is now running shared with the Expo Line), through Braid & terminating at Lougheed (not continuing to VCC as it does now).


The original line - Expo Line - from Waterfront to King George will remain unchanged.


I'm thinking that having two different Expo lines terminating at either King George or Lougheed would be too confusing to the masses, so making VCC - Douglas as the "Evergreen Line", and have the Millennium Line changed to terminate at Lougheed, and no changes to Expo would cause the least amount of confusion.

For most people they only know it as 'the Skytrain' that takes them to their usual stations, and don't know or care that there are different lines in service.

[Olden Retreiver]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Nice shots, thanks!



Looks like the middle and right columns are reversed in location.
You can also see that the height of the pads on the left column varies because the guideway banks on the curve.

I never bought the line from several pages ago [not necessarily from the poster I just quoted] that these different pad heights were solely to accommodate banks and slopes in the guideway, so I recently went to Burquitlam specifically to look at this. The one pictured just north of BQ station is the worst, but there are several examples along Clarke and North roads. To the apologists saying it's just fine so long as it holds the tracks up in the air, I ask: Would you accept such a quality of work in your own home? How about shims and blocks of various heights to hold your kitchen counters more-or-less level above the lower cabinets?

[Olden Retreiver]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

Nighttime Deliveries Near Murray Street

During the week of June 2, large concrete beams (girders) will be delivered to a worksite near Murray Street and Klahanie Drive. Nighttime deliveries are required due to the size of the girders and the high volume of daytime traffic on Murray Street. The girders will be used on the elevated section of the Evergreen Line guideway that crosses over the railway tracks and Suter Brook Creek.

more info:
http://egrtconstruction.ca/media-centre/news/nighttime-deliveries-near-murray-street/

PDF version:
http://egrtconstruction.ca/wp-content/up...-Deliveries-Near-Murray-Street-FINAL.pdf



How long before the howling starts?
"the tracks are too tall"
"the trains will be blocking my views"

and the inevitable "My house value has fallen because of this ..."

Why should there be complaints or "howling" as you say? EGRT seems to have learned a lesson and is being upfront with information now.

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by Olden Retreiver

Why should there be complaints or "howling" as you say?

Let me answer that question by quoting a fable....

A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the
scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The
frog asks, "How do I know you won't sting me?" The scorpion
says, "Because if I do, I will die too."

The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream,
the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of
paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown,
but has just enough time to gasp "Why?"

Replies the scorpion: "Its my nature..."

Guess who the scorpion represents...

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

I'm thinking that having two different Expo lines terminating at either King George or Lougheed would be too confusing to the masses, so making VCC - Douglas as the "Evergreen Line", and have the Millennium Line changed to terminate at Lougheed, and no changes to Expo would cause the least amount of confusion.

This is why it is important that the name "Evergreen Line" is retained. Can you imagine the confusion from those people (i.e. tourists, newcomers) coming from downtown and have to decipher the difference between:

"Expo Line to King George"

and

"Expo Line to Lougheed Town Centre (or Production Way - University)"

So many people will get lost and totally overwhelmed by the sheer differences of the instructions.

So its must more logical and idiot proof that the three Skytrain lines are distinctly named. So it should be....

"Expo Line to King George"

"Millenium Line to Lougheed Town Centre (or Production Way - University)"

"Evergreen Line to VCC / Clarke (and eventually Arbutus)"

Its much much more crystal clear...for the sake of the travelling public.