Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

Those could be the columns with missing caps that cairnstone could be talking about. We have no idea what they looked like because they were covered with shrink wrap, so their caps may have simply not been in place yet.



That is noticable but its clear its to compensate for the slants due to topography in order to keep the guideway in its proper alignment. You see that all over the Millenium Line too where there is a turn or a slight gradient on the ground, etc.

Not much people can do about grafitti, its common in all cities and its up to the cities and police forces to enforce rules about it. I guess its a sign that the Tri Cities are getting more and more urban...

The area with shrink is further down near Tim Hortons . I think they are grinding the columns that's why they put shrink around them as WBC is cracking down on silica dust exposure. The ones near Cameron just have scaffold around them.

[officedweller]

Article on policing the Evergreen Line:

http://www.thenownews.com/news/policing-the-evergreen-line-1.1071875

[queetz@home]

I drove by yesterday and half of the steel guideway above Northroad has the forms in place.

In addition, at least one of the special caps that cairnstone is referring too has been uncovered. They do look...weird....will need pics to explain more though so perhaps one will turn up soon. But its clear those particular ones (shrink wrapped) need far more delicate work to construct.

As for the gantry crane progress, it is one segment away from crossing Cottonwood as of yesterday.

[dpogue]

I took some photos at Lougheed station today. Most of the structural steel for the station is up on the west side.

[GeeCee]

Ugh, it looks hideous already, especially compared to what they've done at Main St Station so far.

[Metro-One]

Looks fine to me. Clean and simple.

honestly I feel you people would hate 99% of the train stations here in Asia. The majority of them are concrete platforms with shelters just as simple (or even more basic) than the new Lougheed platform.

Same when I was in Europe.

The amazing stations that people always compare ours to are the exceptions, not the rule.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by GeeCee

Ugh, it looks hideous already, especially compared to what they've done at Main St Station so far.

Actually I like it. Plus it is amazing how much like a station it is already.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Looks fine to me. Clean and simple.

honestly I feel you people would hate 99% of the train stations here in Asia. The majority of them are concrete platforms with shelters just as simple (or even more basic) than the new Lougheed platform.

Same when I was in Europe.

The amazing stations that people always compare ours to are the exceptions, not the rule.

I think the concern is that the existing station is sort of a "Signature Design" and a simplistic addition is out of place. Had the existing station had a simple design the addition would not look out of place.

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by casper

I think the concern is that the existing station is sort of a "Signature Design" and a simplistic addition is out of place. Had the existing station had a simple design the addition would not look out of place.

What was out of place was the existing station had this unfinished platform with protruding guideways to nowhere for over a decade. What is happening now is the unfinished platform is being finished, and the protruding guideways will now go somewhere. Hence the "out of place" issue is being resolved.

Again, this is really all about aesthetics, which is frankly the lowest in the totem pole as far as I'm concerned. When you see those trains finally going north at North Road towards Burquitlam, it will be the prettiest sight you'll ever see in the area.

First world problems?

[Axe]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

What was out of place was the existing station had this unfinished platform with protruding guideways to nowhere for over a decade. What is happening now is the unfinished platform is being finished, and the protruding guideways will now go somewhere. Hence the "out of place" issue is being resolved.

Again, this is really all about aesthetics, which is frankly the lowest in the totem pole as far as I'm concerned. When you see those trains finally going north at North Road towards Burquitlam, it will be the prettiest sight you'll ever see in the area.

First world problems?

[deasine]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Looks fine to me. Clean and simple.

honestly I feel you people would hate 99% of the train stations here in Asia. The majority of them are concrete platforms with shelters just as simple (or even more basic) than the new Lougheed platform.

Same when I was in Europe.

The amazing stations that people always compare ours to are the exceptions, not the rule.

Actually members here often post photos of the Copenhagen metro. With the exception of the underground stations and some station interchanges, most stations, especially in residential areas, simply look like CoV's bus stops on a larger scale. Heck some only have portions of the platform covered!

[officedweller]

Likewise, some of the Canada Line platforms are very simple - with only the addition of wood as a feature.

[officedweller]

Lincoln Station from the webcam:



http://wcs.pbaeng.com/projects/R1_Transit

[nname]

Page 21 of 2013 Annual Report looks very interesting..

It shows a photo with some draft future Skytrain map, but...

• The current Millennium Line will split into two..
• Part of the Millennium Line will become a branch of Expo Line and use the blue color
• The current north Burnaby section of Millennium line would remain as Millennium Line and use the yellow color
• Evergreen Line will use the yellow color and become part of Millennium Line - there will be no Evergreen Line after all
• The Millennium branch of Expo Line (for lack of better word) would run from Waterfront to Production Station

In the end, we might end up with 3 lines:

Expo Line from Waterfront to King George or Production
Millennium Line from VCC-Clark to Lafarge Lake
Canada Line from Waterfront to YVR-Airport or Richmond


Not sure if this is the plan, or its only one of the option being considered, or they just make up some maps for the photo....

[deasine]

This is excellent. The Evergreen Line thing never made much sense to me, especially since it would require rebranding so many existing stations. It also explains why TransLink has updated some of the signage of the Millennium Line stations to the new wayfinding style (as in, it wouldn't have made sense to update the Millennium Line signage *now* given it would have needed a rebrand very shortly).

The Production Way extension is excellent as it reduces an exchange for commuters up to Burnaby Mountain (i.e. keeps existing status-quo).

The picture of those maps seem to be for the overhead maps found inside SkyTrain vehicles (hence different sizes).

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by nname

Page 21 of 2013 Annual Report looks very interesting..

It shows a photo with some draft future Skytrain map, but...

• The current Millennium Line will split into two..
• Part of the Millennium Line will become a branch of Expo Line and use the blue color
• The current north Burnaby section of Millennium line would remain as Millennium Line and use the yellow color
• Evergreen Line will use the yellow color and become part of Millennium Line - there will be no Evergreen Line after all
• The Millennium branch of Expo Line (for lack of better word) would run from Waterfront to Production Station

In the end, we might end up with 3 lines:

Expo Line from Waterfront to King George or Production
Millennium Line from VCC-Clark to Lafarge Lake
Canada Line from Waterfront to YVR-Airport or Richmond


Not sure if this is the plan, or its only one of the option being considered, or they just make up some maps for the photo....

I wouldn't expect this to be definitive until opening day of the Evergreen line.

This is similar to what was released in the Evergreen docs last year, but that document had Expo running from Waterfront to King George and Millennium running from Waterfront to Lougheed (with Expo and Millennium sharing the tracks from Waterfront to New West-Columbia). The Evergreen line (coloured green) ran from Douglas College-Lafarge to VCC-clark.

I'm surprised to see that on those maps the terminal has moved from Lougheed to Production-SFU, since using Production as a terminal means the nearest crossover to turn back trains is over a kilometre further west -close to Lake City Way.


I'm not sure why you're bothering to include Canada Line in this discussion because it is an entirely separate rail line using different trains and technology.
Whatever changes are made to Millenium / Expo / Evergreen lines will have zero impact on Canada line trains.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

I'm surprised to see that on those maps the terminal has moved from Lougheed to Production-SFU, since using Production as a terminal means the nearest crossover to turn back trains is over a kilometre further west -close to Lake City Way.

That's not too bad, really. Think of the turnback for the Train2Main at the pocket track between Broadway-Commercial and Nanaimo.

The low-ish frequency on the M-Line probably allows a short-turn on the mainline without impeding other trains.

Now the assignment of a common "Vancouver Platform" at Lougheed Station makes sense - if there will be "through running" trains from Braid.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by officedweller

The low-ish frequency on the M-Line probably allows a short-turn on the mainline without impeding other trains.

There's a pair of crossover switches between at Underhill Ave. between the Production Way and Lake City stations. That's only about 700m from the Production Way station. Trains won't have to run the wrong way for any significant distance (only when reversing onto the crossover switch), so the impact on frequencies will be almost irrelevant.

[adrianroam95]

Update:
I drove by the area this afternoon. Since the last time I posted here, guideway construction has advanced two columns. Now, the guideway has just reached Cottonwood/North Road.

I also learnt you can see the guideway construction in the Burquitlam area from Skytrain right near the Production Way University station. Pretty interesting.

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

I wouldn't expect this to be definitive until opening day of the Evergreen line.

This is similar to what was released in the Evergreen docs last year, but that document had Expo running from Waterfront to King George and Millennium running from Waterfront to Lougheed (with Expo and Millennium sharing the tracks from Waterfront to New West-Columbia). The Evergreen line (coloured green) ran from Douglas College-Lafarge to VCC-clark.

I'm surprised to see that on those maps the terminal has moved from Lougheed to Production-SFU, since using Production as a terminal means the nearest crossover to turn back trains is over a kilometre further west -close to Lake City Way.

I agree with this. The blurry and totally unofficial photo is still a draft, so it most certainly ain't final. If one were to interprete it as absolute, then Canada Line does not exist since its not on that map. I don't see why they have to get rid of the Evergreen Line name, given it is so ingrained to people's hearts and minds. Plus what about the winner of the mountain bike?

Yeah, the Production-SFU situation is kinda weird. I have mixed feelings towards it since Lougheed as a terminal makes absolute perfect sense at this point. But I guess it does help the SFU students from New West / Surrey.

Originally Posted by adrianroam95

Update:
I drove by the area this afternoon. Since the last time I posted here, guideway construction has advanced two columns. Now, the guideway has just reached Cottonwood/North Road.

I just drove there yesterday and the guideway segments were not at the site at all prior to the column directly beside Cottonwood. The gantry crane was in place but was empty. So all the segments have arrived and are now been lifted up as of today?