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Old Posted May 27, 2014, 8:31 PM
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Anyone have any idea how many stories the 200 room hotel atop the AWC will be?
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Old Posted May 27, 2014, 8:49 PM
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The size of the hotel will depend on the footprint of the building. If floors are smallish, then this could get above 10 floors.
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Old Posted May 27, 2014, 8:59 PM
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Penn-Lincoln Hotel

Asbestos remediation at the Penn-Lincoln was, as of last week, about 20% complete. It has been slow going. The abatement contractor has encountered much more asbestos than expected. The thought is that the county will level the hotel by late summer or early fall. Before demolition, PHLF will salvage some of the facade's sculptural features for future use in a planned community park. And discussions are continuing with a few of the developers who expressed interest constructing a new building on the site, which is encouraging.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 2:45 AM
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The Holiday Inn along Fort Pitt would have an on-site restaurant and bar:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ne...anning-stages-for-downtown.html?page=all

That article also mentions two more hotel projects Forza is contemplating. I think one might be for this property:

https://goo.gl/maps/EshUx

The other is described as:

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Forza also is pursuing a hotel proejct on West Carson Street where a former paint supply property once stood near the Duquesne Incline not far from Station Square, said Sittig.
I'm not sure exactly where that is, but developing the area around the Duquesne Incline would be great. There are great views from there, of course, and you can also walk over to Downtown across the Fort Bridge pedestrian bridge.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 3:17 AM
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That is insane to think about! Good for Pittsburgh though. housing truly is in high demand, and this large increase in real estate prices, especially in places like Bloomfield and Lawrenceville, clearly illustrates that.
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Good news on the AWC, looks like things are moving along in spite of opposition, but I assume this is just one small step.
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The size of the hotel will depend on the footprint of the building. If floors are smallish, then this could get above 10 floors.
I would like to see this hotel come to fruition. I really don't want to see this thing fizzle. We've seen that happen way to much with various other projects!!!!
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The Holiday Inn along Fort Pitt would have an on-site restaurant and bar:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ne...anning-stages-for-downtown.html?page=all

That article also mentions two more hotel projects Forza is contemplating. I think one might be for this property:

https://goo.gl/maps/EshUx

The other is described as:



I'm not sure exactly where that is, but developing the area around the Duquesne Incline would be great. There are great views from there, of course, and you can also walk over to Downtown across the Fort Bridge pedestrian bridge.
I've always thought something should go in down there. Maybe that whole area of Station Square/West Carson could fill in especially with the Riverhounds stadium there now.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 12:14 PM
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Of course the big prize over there is the plot currently occupied by Buncher's Gateway View Plaza. Maybe if redevelopment starts taking hold in that area, Buncher would consider redoing that.

http://www.buncherrealestate.com/all-prop/gvp.html

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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 12:44 PM
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Of course the big prize over there is the plot currently occupied by Buncher's Gateway View Plaza. Maybe if redevelopment starts taking hold in that area, Buncher would consider redoing that.

http://www.buncherrealestate.com/all-prop/gvp.html

That is one of my most hated buildings in Pittsburgh... who are the major tenants there?

Look at that gentle protrusion into the river directly in front of the Point... that would be an amazing site for a truly urban project that could take advantage of the panoramic city/river views.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 1:29 PM
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That is one of my most hated buildings in Pittsburgh... who are the major tenants there?

Look at that gentle protrusion into the river directly in front of the Point... that would be an amazing site for a truly urban project that could take advantage of the panoramic city/river views.
That whole area from the Duquesne Incline back to the West End Bridge is a disaster.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 1:50 PM
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That Buncher property would be an incredible location for some residential towers - and I wouldn't think height would be an issue there.

What a waste of space there now.
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That Buncher property would be an incredible location for some residential towers - and I wouldn't think height would be an issue there.

What a waste of space there now.
Not gonna happen. That happens to be a very lucrative building for Buncher. The entire top floor is office space and the lower level is pretty high quality warehouse. It would take a really significant change in the market conditions for them to consider another use.

The Forza Groups other hotel site is next to the natural gas station on Carson.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 3:23 PM
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who are the major tenants there?
This is the sign on streetview:

http://goo.gl/maps/8U5yp
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 3:28 PM
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It would take a really significant change in the market conditions for them to consider another use.
We're clearly experiencing a significant change in market conditions in Greater Downtown. I don't expect anything soon, but at some point there is just no way a two-story building can possibly generate as much value as a proper development.

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The Forza Groups other hotel site is next to the natural gas station on Carson.
Ah, they must have meant the Mon Incline, not the Duquesne Incline. Which is fine--that area also is ripe for major redevelopment.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 6:18 PM
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The Forza Groups other hotel site is next to the natural gas station on Carson.
Are you sure about this? This article also mentions the Duquesne Incline, and being on West Carson:

http://triblive.com/business/headlines/6166063-74/hotel-inn-downtown

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Two other hotel developments are also planned in the city by the Forza Group. One on West Carson Street, on a site opposite the Duquesne Incline, is a 110-room Hampton Inn, said William Sittig Jr. of Sittig, Cortese & Wratcher LLC, legal counsel for the Forza Group. A third hotel, a 123-room Home2 by Hilton, is planned for the South Side, at the corner of East Carson and Sarah streets, he said.
The American Natural station is on East Carson, near the Mon Incline.

By the way, in Buncher's picture of Gateway View Plaza, you can see a dark mid-rise building more or less across West Carson from the Duquesne Incline. Anyone remember that building and what happened to it?
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 6:31 PM
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Hmmm:

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2...fter-warehouse-fire/stories/201003020216

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After firefighters and investigators said the structure at 1217 West Carson was on the verge of collapse, the city moved quickly to demolish the building. . . . Allegheny County records show the property was purchased by West Carson Associates for $500,000 in 2008. . . . Greg Erosenko, a spokesman for the Forza Group, parent of West Carson Associates, said the company bought the site primarily as an investment because of its location. While it had no immediate development plans, the company is considering building a hotel there someday, he said.
Google satellite actually captured that site being demolished (as of my posting this):

https://goo.gl/maps/QPwaM

Anyway, I'm thinking all signs point to that being the prospective hotel location.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 6:54 PM
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By the way, in Buncher's picture of Gateway View Plaza, you can see a dark mid-rise building more or less across West Carson from the Duquesne Incline. Anyone remember that building and what happened to it?
That's the Lawrence Paint Building. It was a beautiful building but abandoned as long as I can remember. Landmarks tried to acquire it to be part of Station Square but the owner would not sell nor develop. I vaguely recall that part of the building collapsed, which led to it being completely demolished---maybe in the mid 90s.

This link has a picture:
http://www.wqed.org/education/pghist/units/rivers/reuse.php

And found this history on it:

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When was the Paint and Varnish building at the foot of the Duquesne Incline abandoned, and what's the plan for it? -- Dennis Bateman, Corliss

At the turn of the century, William Watson Lawrence was probably Pittsburgh's most respected paint manufacturer. But today he is remembered not for the buildings his paint protected and beautified, but for the building he left behind -- a once-handsome structure whose badly weathered exterior is now perhaps the worst advertisement imaginable for "W. W. Lawrence & Company Paints and Varnishes." There's a lesson for us all in this little irony

Lawrence founded his company in 1884, and enjoyed considerable success: A 19th-century advertisement boasted that in addition to various military contracts, "Last spring by order of the Secretary of the Treasury every Light House on the Atlantic coast was painted with The Lawrence Paints." By the late 1800s, Lawrence was himself a beacon of Pittsburgh business. He expanded his operations into a massive South Side factory, which was completed in 1902. Topped by a white wooden tower containing water tanks for the paint and the building's sprinkler system, the facility boasted six floors and 100,000 feet of floor space. Those floors were some 10 inches thick, supported by oaken columns each more than three feet square. Such heavy construction was necessary to support the massive vats needed to mix and store the paint -- which in those days contained large amounts of lead.

The paint factory closed in 1973, and at first developers were anxious to renovate it. The site, after all, is ideal: Its view of the Point makes it perfect for luxury apartments or offices, while its proximity to the Duquesne Incline makes it a natural site for a restaurant or tourist attraction such as a museum or urban mall. The interior offers exciting possibilities as well. Developers wistfully spoke of the "forest of wood" inside the building. In a 1988 treatise on the factory kept on file by the Heinz Regional History Center, Carnegie Mellon student Natalie Gillespie observed that its interior was dominated by "massive oak pillars and high balconies or mezzanines with circular openings for paint vats" -- gaps that "could be incorporated in the building design for dramatic effect."

So far, however, what's been most dramatic about the building are the failures of those who've tried to renovate it. It's as if once they set foot inside, they contract the lethargy that comes from snacking on too many lead paint chips. Plans to turn the building into luxury condominiums, office space, a history museum, and shopping destination for tourists have all languished, largely because the sheer mass of its wooden floors and beams have made it too costly to renovate .

Nor has there been much progress since Cleveland-based Forest City Enterprises acquired the factory along with the Station Square complex in 1994. The company did once tell the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette it hoped to decide what to do with the building "soon" ... but that was in 1995. "We really haven't even addressed it yet," confirms Eve Bursic, Forest City's Station Square general manager. She does say there are no plans to tear it down -- which, given the building's history and appealing facade, would be a terrible loss -- but beyond that, "nothing has been decided."

So for now, at least, the future of the W. W. Lawrence Paint factory looks to be about as exciting as watching paint dry. Or, in this case, fade.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 7:04 PM
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Too bad--that building had potential. I gather it was torn down in 2001:

http://old.post-gazette.com/neigh_city/20010612demolition0612p4.asp

Anyway, looks like that might be the spot Forza is talking about, although from what I can tell, Forest City actually owns that land, while Forza's subsidiary still owns the parcels on the other side of Carson (next to the Incline).
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 7:13 PM
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Too bad--that building had potential. I gather it was torn down in 2001:

http://old.post-gazette.com/neigh_city/20010612demolition0612p4.asp

Anyway, looks like that might be the spot Forza is talking about, although from what I can tell, Forest City actually owns that land, while Forza's subsidiary still owns the parcels on the other side of Carson (next to the Incline).
My recall was wrong. Apparently the building did not partially collapse. Forest City deemed it beyond saving and tore it down. Shame.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 10:26 PM
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Some very positive comments from the buyers of the Cork Factory:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/bl...-of-the-cork-factory-lofts.html?page=all
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Old Posted May 29, 2014, 12:37 AM
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Pittsburgh being named a Top-Something City for Young Something-Somethings isn't news these days, but I did like this picture (plus the shout out to the electronic music scene):

http://www.policymic.com/articles/89659/...ings-that-aren-t-new-york-or-los-angeles

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Old Posted May 29, 2014, 1:34 AM
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We're clearly experiencing a significant change in market conditions in Greater Downtown. I don't expect anything soon, but at some point there is just no way a two-story building can possibly generate as much value as a proper development.



Ah, they must have meant the Mon Incline, not the Duquesne Incline. Which is fine--that area also is ripe for major redevelopment.
I'd have to agree with BrianTH that Pittsburgh is going through a rather large transition and that it's only a matter of time before Buncher realizes this and considers other options for that land.

I'd give it several more years before anything else is considered; even longer before something is actually built...
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