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^ it is planning committee today, not Council... would still have to go to Council later. However Mayor Watson has been attending for this development (not sure if he is still there) which is unusual for a committee meeting.

Island Park community association there to support

Applause for all the pro development speakers

A resident from Centretown as well there to support!
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^ it is planning committee today, not Council... would still have to go to Council later. However Mayor Watson has been attending for this development (not sure if he is still there) which is unusual for a committee meeting.

Island Park community association there to support

Applause for all the pro development speakers

A resident from Centretown as well there to support!
The Bulldog must be fit to be tied if this project that Katherine Hobbs is in support of gets approved.

http://bulldogottawa.com/hobbs-gets-planning-wrong/
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^ it is planning committee today, not Council... would still have to go to Council later.
Oops, thanks for that! It's been updated...
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So, it has been denied. Does that mean it doesn't go to council anymore, and that it's over for this?

Apparently, the current site has been used to shoot some porn. Interesting?

I'm disappointed, but the Community Associations and their people obviously don't support it. They were "accusing" people who did support it for being bought out because according to them everyone in the community doesn't support this building. Hm...

This is Ottawa, people...
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Wellington St. condos have community OK, but planners not happy

By Jon Willing, Ottawa Sun
First posted: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 01:36 PM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 02:45 PM EDT


You've heard of sticker shock. How about planning shock. It's happening at City Hall Tuesday.

Residents have been lining up during a planning committee meeting to support a 12-storey condo proposal by Mizrahi Developments at Wellington St. W. and Island Park Dr. What's remarkable is the city's own planners are rejecting the application because it's too tall and doesn't fit in with the Wellington St. design.

The heart of the issue appears to be that residents who live directly beside the property are sick of seeing a derelict chunk of land. Other developers have come and gone over the years, but the residents seem happy Mizrahi has designed a building that would win support in the immediate area.

Resident Roland Dorsay -- who said he has rallied against highrise projects in the past -- pointed out the "rare and strange situation" where homeowners want the developer to build higher.

"Something pretty extraordinary is taking place," Dorsay said.

John Newcombe said the city must do something to replace the "urban blight" on the high-profile corner.

"Positive change will only begin if you approve the relief requested," Newcombe said.

Councillors previously heard the reason why Mizrahi wants more height is so it can afford to clean the contaminated soil on the property. More revenue from selling units would help pay for the work.

If councillors reject the application, Mizrahi could appeal to the Ontario Municipal Board.

About 30 delegates have signed up to address the planning committee. Usually when that number of people are registered to speak on any condo application, they're calling for councillors to reject it, especially in the condo-heavy central-west neighbourhoods of Kitchissippli ward.

Not this time.

Now, councillors are caught between their own planning policies and the desires of residents who would be affected most by a new condo highrise.

Catherine James-McGuinty, president of the Wellington Village Community Association, said the "vast majority" of residents in the area don't want a 12-storey building.

The community, businesses and city worked hard on a community design plan that should be maintained. she said. The plan calls for a maximum nine-storey building on the property.

"Waiting to have something done right is the best option," James-McGuinty said.

Island Park Dr. resident Bruce Enstone agreed the rules for the property shouldn't be changed to accommodate the landowner.

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So, it has been denied. Does that mean it doesn't go to council anymore, and that it's over for this?

Apparently, the current site has been used to shoot some porn. Interesting?

I'm disappointed, but the Community Associations and their people obviously don't support it. They were "accusing" people who did support it for being bought out because according to them everyone in the community doesn't support this building. Hm...

This is Ottawa, people...
it will go to Council with a recommendation from the committee that they refuse

anything can happen in the coming weeks before the meeting...

watch this space for more lobbying by the developer's people
http://ottwatch.ca/lobbying/clients/Mizrahi%20Developments

Also in a typical situation where the local councillor is in favour but staff is against, the local councillor could also do some lobbying of fellow councillors or work with staff and the developer to prepare a compromise motion for the council meeting
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it will go to Council with a recommendation from the committee that they refuse

anything can happen in the coming weeks before the meeting...

watch this space for more lobbying by the developer's people
http://ottwatch.ca/lobbying/clients/Mizrahi%20Developments

Also in a typical situation where the local councillor is in favour but staff is against, the local councillor could also do some lobbying of fellow councillors or work with staff and the developer to prepare a compromise motion for the council meeting
So what was this meeting about? An opportunity for the developer and community members to plead to the planning committee to reject/ approve before it goes to council for their vote?
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Apparently, the current site has been used to shoot some porn. Interesting
Hey, maybe we've finally found a use for that brownfield property that doesn't require any OP amendments or anything. An incubation centre to help grow a thriving pornography industry in Ottawa! Let's see the NIMBYs react to THAT!
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So what was this meeting about? An opportunity for the developer and community members to plead to the planning committee to reject/ approve before it goes to council for their vote?
Yep exactly... and also review and make changes when necessary to applications/policies so they can go quickly through Council. Most planning committee agendas then go through Council with little to no debate. But on controversial files there can be lots of debate and sometimes full Council will overturn the committee recommendations (like the recent student residence at Rideau/Friel)
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BY JON WILLING,OTTAWA SUN
FIRST POSTED: TUESDAY, MAY 13, 2014 01:36 PM EDT | UPDATED: TUESDAY, MAY 13, 2014 05:10 PM EDT

Councillors on Tuesday faced one of the toughest challenges to City Hall’s planning credibility this term of council.

On one hand, homeowners living beside a property eyed for a 12-storey condo tower in the Wellington West neighbourhood are virtually begging for the development.

On the other, a fresh community design plan says a maximum nine-storey building is allowed at 1445 and 1451 Wellington St. W., near the corner of Island Park Dr.

In the end, after hearing from more than 20 delegates, the planning committee rejected the proposal from Mizrahi Developments for the high-profile corner.

Council will vote May 28 and if the committee vote is upheld, Mizrahi Developments has indicated it will appeal to the Ontario Municipal Board. Mizrahi wants more height so it can afford to clean the contaminated soil on the property.

For anyone who has kept tabs on condo controversies in Ottawa, the committee meeting seemed completely backwards. Residents lined up to support the proposal in an effort to reverse a city staff recommendation to reject the development. Kitchissippi Coun. Katherine Hobbs tried to sway her colleagues to allow the 12 storeys.

Homeowners are clearly sick of seeing a derelict chunk of land where, according to one delegate, dope is smoked and porno films are made. Other prospective developers have come and gone over the years and many residents are happy Mizrahi has designed a building with the community’s interests at heart.

But, the majority of councillors on the committee agreed that allowing the development would be a dagger to a community plan the city worked so hard to create.

That’s not what many residents wanted to hear.

Roland Dorsay — who said he has rallied against highrise projects in the past — pointed out the “rare and strange situation” where homeowners want the developer to build higher.

“Something pretty extraordinary is taking place,” Dorsay said.

John Newcombe said the city must do something to replace the “urban blight” on the high-profile corner.

“Positive change will only begin if you approve the relief requested,” Newcombe said.

However, Catherine James-McGuinty, president of the Wellington Village Community Association, said the “vast majority” of residents in the area don’t want a 12-storey building.

The community, businesses and city worked hard on a community design plan that should be respected, she said.

“Waiting to have something done right is the best option,” James-McGuinty said.

Sam Mizrahi said his company would put the property back on the market if it doesn’t succeed at the OMB.
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Old Posted May 14, 2014, 4:43 PM
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Planning committee rejects Wellington West condo proposal, despite community support

By Michael Woods, Ottawa Citizen May 13, 2014


It was a rare sight at city hall: Citizens packing a meeting room and imploring the city’s planning committee to approve a luxury condo tower in their neighbourhood.

Councillors spent hours hearing members of the public ask them to approve a 12-storey development at the corner of Wellington Street and Island Park Drive, a proposal city staff recommended they reject.

The community support wasn’t enough for the councillors, who sided with city staff and voted 6-3 to reject the proposal, by Mizrahi Developments, which is three storeys higher than the area’s community design plan calls for.

“(The residents) were very disappointed,” said Coun. Katherine Hobbs, in whose ward the proposed development lies. “They’re going, why did we spend all day here just to have our voices ignored?”

A disappointed Sam Mizrahi, the company president, said he feels “unprecedented public support” for his proposal wasn’t heard. He said the proposal was designed with the community’s input from the beginning. He had also overhauled his plans in hopes of securing support from city planners who rejected it the first time around.

Mizrahi said he’s going to appeal the matter to the Ontario Municipal Board. If he loses at the OMB, he will put the property back on the market.

The case presented the planning committee with a dilemma.

The Wellington West Community Design Plan, which council passed in 2011, calls for four-to six-storey buildings, typical for a historical main street, or nine storeys in exceptional circumstances.

But the properties at 1445 and 1451 Wellington St. W. are contaminated by past light-industrial uses. Mizrahi has said cleanup is expensive and development is only feasible on the site if the company can construct a taller building.

Many residents said they were willing to overlook the extra storeys because the building was designed with their other concerns in mind.

“For me, it comes down to should we listen to these residents who’ve come out here and presented today, or do we stick by the rules because suddenly we’ve discovered the rules?” said Coun. Rainer Bloess, who supported the proposal.

But planning committee chair Coun. Peter Hume, who has previously spoken out against the proposal, said that it was time the city abide by the CDP, which is supposed to bring certainty to the community.

“It’s critically important that we live up to the CDPs we’ve put in place,” he said. “People are now looking to us to say, Do you really believe in this? I think it’s time to say, Yes, we believe in what we’re saying. We’re willing to draw the line in the sand here.”

Councillors also expressed concerns about a decision being used against the city at future OMB hearings if they were to contravene the community design plan.

Six councillors voted against the development, with only three, Hobbs, Bloess and Jan Harder, voting in favour. The nay voters made their decision despite full-throated support from neighbours and community leaders.

Speaker after speaker, many of whom had never before spoken at city hall, extolled the proposal’s beauty and praised Mizrahi’s engagement with neighbours in 25 community meetings.

The first speaker, whose home backs on to the property, received raucous applause from the audience, who were then told not to cheer or boo. The next speaker, who owns the gas station across the street, offered his “full and unreserved endorsement.”

The speaker after that, longtime Island Park resident Roland Dorsay, called it a ‘wow’ development.

“Is the Mizrahi proposal a perfect one? No, but it comes close. … When I weigh the pros and the cons, it’s no contest.”

And on they went, for hours. Councillors marvelled at the rarity of people speaking out so forcefully in favour of a 12-storey tower.

“It is a day of firsts,” said Hume after a woman whose home directly backs on to the property asked the committee to approve the new highrise.

The woman, Kathleen Fildes, said Mizrahi was “extremely attentive to the concerns and wishes of the local property owners.

“I wish that all developers would be forced to adopt this approach across the city going forward,” she said.

Support for the proposal wasn’t unanimous.

Catherine James-McGuinty, president of the Wellington Village Community Association, said the “vast majority” of area residents welcome the new development but want it to stay within the nine-storey limit.

“We want to have predictable development in the neighbourhood.”

But Mizrahi was adamant he can’t afford to build at nine storeys.

“We went back to the drawing board. Every single time, I tried every single tool we had in our chest to make this building at nine storeys, including Day One when I came in. It is impossible,” he said. “That’s not me saying that. That’s history.”

Several other developers have tried to build on the site, but have found it to be unfeasible, he said.

Hume commended Mizrahi in his dealings with the community, saying he has provided a model for consultation.

“There are a whole bunch of developers in the room and they should be taking notes on how consultation should be,” he said.

But Mizrahi said he thinks the committee’s rejection of the proposal sends a message that consultation with the community is irrelevant.

“I think this is the reason why most developers do not consult in the community, because they view it as futile. (The committee) proved that point today.”

With files from Matthew Pearson

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Good job, Ottawa...

This is exactly what I've been saying.

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But Mizrahi said he thinks the committee’s rejection of the proposal sends a message that consultation with the community is irrelevant.

“I think this is the reason why most developers do not consult in the community, because they view it as futile. (The committee) proved that point today.”
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It’s a difficult situation to be sure, but on the flip side…had the project been approved, wouldn’t that make the CDP irrelevant, even if a bunch of residents were in favour of the extra 3 floors??

I have no idea how a CDP is prepared, but could this be a good justification to allow for exceptions or spot zonings in future CDPs?
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This is probably a dumb question, but why couldn't an amendment be made to the CDP that would address the rare fact that many of the local residents are actually on board with the development? I.e., "The guidelines should be followed as outlined with the exception that a majority of the local residents favour the proposal..." (or something of that nature)
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Watson supports condo rejection

By Jon Willing, Ottawa Sun
First posted: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 01:05 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 01:08 PM EDT


The planning committee made the right decision to reject a 12-storey condo proposed for a depressing corner in West Wellington, the mayor said Wednesday.

Jim Watson said the city can’t bend its planning rules for a company because the site conditions are a development hurdle.

“We have to follow the principle we agreed to in the community design plan,” Watson said.

Toronto-based Mizrahi Developments wants to build the high rise at the northeast corner of Wellington St. W. and Island Park Dr. It’s the site of an old car wash. The company also wants to buy the neighbouring building that’s home to Bella’s Bistro and the restaurant would move into the new condo.

But that looks less likely to happen now, since the planning committee Tuesday voted against the condo plan. The recommendation will be forwarded to council May 28.

Mizrahi wants to exceed the maximum nine-storey height limit to generate revenue for the cleanup of contaminated soil on the property.

Politicians consider it the first major test of a community design plan, especially since the direct neighbours are actually supporting Mizrahi’s development proposal. The neighbours like the condo design and are tired of seeing a derelict property.

The community association, however, is against the development.

Watson doesn’t see it as throwing up red tape to a decent development plan. He emphasized the importance of sticking to the neighbourhood planning vision.

“It’s a question of being consistent,” Watson said.

Innes Coun. Rainer Bloess, a member of the planning committee, presented a motion to approve the 12-storey development but only received support from two other councillors, including Kitchisssippi Coun. Katherine Hobbs.

Bloess on Wednesday said Mizrahi’s widely lauded consultation process was “ideal” and he noted the unprecedented support for a condo high rise, especially in the central-west community.

As a result, “the consultation was wasted,” Bloess said.

If Mizrahi eventually walks away, developing the property might be impossible because of the cost of cleaning the site. Another former owner of the property even appeared at Tuesday’s committee meeting to say it’s economically hopeless under the current planning rules.

Sam Mizrahi, president of Mizrahi Developments, said he can’t build at nine storeys.

“I tired every single tool we had in our chest. It is impossible. That’s not me saying that. That’s history,” Mizrahi told the committee.

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I don't give a damn about the fact that the site needs remediation. This should be about developers putting in time and effort to win community support. The City is setting a really bad precedent by rejecting this. Hopefully, the majority of council has enough sense to push this one through.
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I don't give a damn about the fact that the site needs remediation. This should be about developers putting in time and effort to win community support. The City is setting a really bad precedent by rejecting this. Hopefully, the majority of council has enough sense to push this one through.
Unless I'm confusing everything, I think this already went before city council and lost. sadly, I don't think they do have much sense, especially so close to elections. They know CDP spot rezonings will be an issue in this election, and anything they do from now on (though it's too late) will be scrutinized and used against them.
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Unless I'm confusing everything, I think this already went before city council and lost. sadly, I don't think they do have much sense, especially so close to elections. They know CDP spot rezonings will be an issue in this election, and anything they do from now on (though it's too late) will be scrutinized and used against them.
No, it has only been to Planning Committee, which is standard before going to Council. It will go to Council on May 28th.
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No, it has only been to Planning Committee, which is standard before going to Council. It will go to Council on May 28th.
So planning committee includes several area councilors but not everyone?
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So planning committee includes several area councilors but not everyone?
Sheldon, there's an excellent description for the Committee at http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/your-city-government/standing-committees/planning-committee.

This is where the heavy lifting is done. Council appoints the Committee. There's an effort made to ensure representation from the rural, suburban and urban areas. There's lots of jockeying to try to get on choice committees, of course (in this last term of council, there was a minor controversy when the inner core was originally going to be shut out). The Committee receives staff's report and recommendation, and then decides whether to concur with staff or not. The staff report and Committee recommendation then goes to full Council - usually about two weeks later.

The critical difference between Committee and Council is that Council doesn't receive public delegations - there's no opportunity to speak to it on an issue. At Committee, anyone can sign up to speak for 5 minutes. It's not uncommon - rarer in this term of council, but not unheard of - for those speakers to sway Committee to reject a staff recommendation.

From here until it goes to Council, there's still an opportunity to lobby. Stakeholders will write to, call and meet with Councillors right up until the meeting asking them to either support or reject Committee's recommendation. On a controversial issue, people will also continue their PR efforts, trying to get their perspective in front of Councillors via the media. What we usually see - especially in this term of council - is a quick rubber-stamping of Committee's recommendation. There's a lot of deference, as is appropriate in my view. When I was with the community association, we only bothered lobbying councillors on the really, really important files if things didn't go our way at Committee. Generally, once it's out of Committee's hands, the discussion is substantially over.

In this case, it will be interesting to watch. Mizrahi has the best consultants and planners money can buy. Between Jeff Polowin (lobbyist), Alan Cohen (lawyer) and Ted Fobert (planning consultant), he's got the heaviest of the heavy hitters in Ottawa. I don't believe (I could be wrong) that Mizrahi will go to the OMB. But, there will likely be intense lobbying by all three with all the Councillors to try to approve this building over the next few weeks. At the same time, individual residents and community associations opposed to the proposal are likely going to make some effort in the time remaining to urge Councillors to support Committee.

This is actually where some real imbalances show up in the system. With just a couple of weeks, community associations usually don't have the time to request a whole series of meetings with Councillors to do the intensive lobbying. They'll generally only be able to write, for example, a letter to Councillors. Mizrahi, you can be sure, has already got a series of meetings set up with all the Councillors, and that face time makes a difference.

With Hume and the Mayor championing adherence to the CDP, I think you'll see Council confirm Committee's decision. And the Mayor, of course, went to the length of making that clear to the press, so he's invested. It's not impossible that the rest of Council will go against the Mayor, Planning Chair and staff, but I wouldn't count it out. It would just be really, really surprising.
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