PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX - Page 145

Jslader · #**2881** Posted **May 10, 2014, 2:04 AM**

In the reasons for why Philly is lacking in development, the unions are not in the top five. Other places have similar union situations. Yes, they can afford to because they are in demand, but it is because they have those other things - good school district, business friendly taxes, etc.-that allow their demand to flourish.

Even if Philly unions were priced more "according to what the market would bear", development would still suffer in this city, but in addition those formerly well-paid union workers are just a little bit closer to joining everyone else out of the middle class.

summersm343 · #**2882** Posted **May 10, 2014, 2:31 AM**

Brandywine Realty chosen for 2 million sq ft in office space development at Campbell's Site in Camden

Development may include a PATCO stop as well

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/...ealty-picked-to-develop-camden-site.html

iheartphilly · #**2883** Posted **May 10, 2014, 2:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

Brandywine Realty chosen for 2 million sq ft in office space development at Campbell's Site in Camden

Development may include a PATCO stop as well

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/...ealty-picked-to-develop-camden-site.html

This could be the demise of future new high rise construction in Center City. 2 million sq. ft is like two Comcast Center building. But overall go for the area.

What do ya think?

summersm343 · #**2884** Posted **May 10, 2014, 3:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly

This could be the demise of future new high rise construction in Center City. 2 million sq. ft is like two Comcast Center building. But overall go for the area.

What do ya think?

Could be good or bad. Could take away from office demand in Center City but at the same time could bring more residents to Center City who would take the PATCO line over to Camden for work. A good major city should be able to support several major employment nodes. Let's just hope Jersey wises up and searches for office tenants outside of the Philadelphia area instead of poaching jobs from the city or other areas.

hammersklavier · #**2885** Posted **May 10, 2014, 3:04 AM**

There are good unions and bad unions.

I grew up in an environment where a single parent struggled to make ends meet working retail. I can state unequivocally that retail work is in desperate need of unionization; the hours are long, the work hard, the pay atrocious.

On the other hand you have goons like the building trades (and especially the Carpenters' Union) which give unions a bad name, both in terms of holding onto excessive pay-and-benefits standards and in terms of stymieing natural marking balancing. The reality is that nonunion carpenters in Philadelphia today are just as well-trained as their union counterparts, and they earn a good wage as well. This is part of the reason certain unions (*cough* Carpenters *cough*) resort to thuggish buffoonery--the status quo is changing, and it is not changing in their favor.

So to say all unions are bad, as certain posters are wont to do, is very much a binary and false position. The reality is complex, imbued with shades of gray. Union-busting has unsurprisingly led to vast industries crying out for unionization, while those that remain have tended to adopt increasingly reactionary tactics (e.g. thuggery) in an adverse environment. Even so, a few unions have been able to maintain pay and benefit standards far above anything reasonable. But it is not meet to point to those unions and say all unions are evil.

iheartphilly · #**2886** Posted **May 10, 2014, 3:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

Could be good or bad. Could take away from office demand in Center City but at the same time could bring more residents to Center City who would take the PATCO line over to Camden for work. A good major city should be able to support several major employment nodes. Let's just hope Jersey wises up and searches for office tenants outside of the Philadelphia area instead of poaching jobs from the city or other areas.

Well said. Would love for it to poach and re-locate several large firms from outside the region or foreign firms looking to establish a US presence.

relnahe · #**2887** Posted **May 10, 2014, 8:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jslader

In the reasons for why Philly is lacking in development, the unions are not in the top five. Other places have similar union situations. Yes, they can afford to because they are in demand, but it is because they have those other things - good school district, business friendly taxes, etc.-that allow their demand to flourish.

Even if Philly unions were priced more "according to what the market would bear", development would still suffer in this city, but in addition those formerly well-paid union workers are just a little bit closer to joining everyone else out of the middle class.

LMAO! Tell me one union city that has a good school district and low taxes?

Oh and tell me another union town that goes as far as the union goons in Philadelphia?

Kidphilly · #**2888** Posted **May 10, 2014, 11:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly

This could be the demise of future new high rise construction in Center City. 2 million sq. ft is like two Comcast Center building. But overall go for the area.

What do ya think?

Longer term I do believe is good for the region. Sum of the whole is stronger than the sum of the parts. This would seem to be more set up to compete with the Navy Yard than CC on the whole at first reaction.

Linked with PATCO really could only extend more jobs to a extended Core. at $5 a sq foot could be a tech incubator of sorts. Would love to see more of this in the Loft district TBH in this fashion.

But Camden improving is better for all things long term IMHO. Wonder if Subaru will also be part of this

MusicMan84 · #**2889** Posted **May 10, 2014, 12:37 PM**

Took this photo a little while ago, just now getting to upload it...

Penn Presbyterian expansion:

Untitled by Music_Man84, on Flickr

domodeez · #**2890** Posted **May 10, 2014, 10:51 PM**

Image via Twitter @premagupta

Here is an early conceptual rendering of The Porch 2.0, planned for next spring. Landscape architect is Studio Bryan Hanes (who is doing the IRS plazas across the street) and architect is DIGSAU (who designed the Drexel hotel at 33 x Chestnut). This project is being led by the University City District, but the IRS plaza improvement is not one of their projects.

DIGSAU and Studio Bryan Hanes have teamed up before, most notably on Sister Cities Park. If the Porch structure looks anything like this cafe/visitors center, I'll be ecstatic.

image via Pennoni

EastSideHBG · #**2891** Posted **May 11, 2014, 1:33 PM**

New corporate tower will raise FMC's visibility
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20...MC_s_visibility.html#ixYl33tW4wE6VYoV.99

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Yo, Philly, write yourself a slogan
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20140511_Yo__Philly__write_yourself_a_slogan.html

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Tinicum Township, city reach deal on airport expansion but residents still leery

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201405...nts_still_leery.html#z26M8gUqy4Ble9SC.99

ILovePhilly · #**2892** Posted **May 11, 2014, 1:36 PM**

Good article about the FMC tower on Philly.com this morning

Talks about the tower, the company, the neighborhood. The building will have office, residential, and retail. There will be 288 residential units with 100 being furnished and have full concierge service. The tower was called out as 49 stories, $385 million but no height was given.

Outta here · #**2893** Posted **May 11, 2014, 2:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by ILovePhilly

Good article about the FMC tower on Philly.com this morning

Talks about the tower, the company, the neighborhood. The building will have office, residential, and retail. There will be 288 residential units with 100 being furnished and have full concierge service. The tower was called out as 49 stories, $385 million but no height was given.

Wait a minute !! The data base calls for FMC to be " 47 " stories and 656 ' ......
If there is an additional 2 floors , does that mean this tower will be taller than 656 feet ?? Oh , and by the way . Happy Mothers day , to all you mothers out there .

summersm343 · #**2894** Posted **May 11, 2014, 2:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Outta here

Wait a minute !! The data base calls for FMC to be " 47 " stories and 656 ' ......
If there is an additional 2 floors , does that mean this tower will be taller than 656 feet ?? Oh , and by the way . Happy Mothers day , to all you mothers out there .

49 floors and 683 feet now

phillyflips · #**2895** Posted **May 11, 2014, 3:51 PM**

Don't know if this is appropriate here, but just wanted to share. This is what the new tallest building in the world being built in Jeddah would look like in Philly. Maybe even a bit taller.

Late1 · #**2896** Posted **May 11, 2014, 8:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

49 floors and 683 feet now

Has the 683' actually been confirmed or is that just a guesstimate based on having 2 additional commercial storeys?

Outta here · #**2897** Posted **May 12, 2014, 12:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by Late1

Has the 683' actually been confirmed or is that just a guesstimate based on having 2 additional commercial storeys?

Yes sir ; And while your at it , how about the SLS on S. Broad . According to the Inquirer , Dranoff stated it would be 562' and 47 stories . But the forum has it listed at 590' and 46 stories . How one looses a floor and gains 28 additional feet
must involve some form of new math , I'm not familiar with . Can ANY report be considered legitimate ? Just a question , not a crucifixion .

summersm343 · #**2898** Posted **May 12, 2014, 2:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by Outta here

Yes sir ; And while your at it , how about the SLS on S. Broad . According to the Inquirer , Dranoff stated it would be 562' and 47 stories . But the forum has it listed at 590' and 46 stories . How one looses a floor and gains 28 additional feet
must involve some form of new math , I'm not familiar with . Can ANY report be considered legitimate ? Just a question , not a crucifixion .

We originally had it listed at 47 floors and 562 feet. Then the height was changed to 567 feet.

However, with the Civic Design Review submission from two weeks ago, it lists the height at 46 floors and 590 feet. Since the CDR submission is from the Developer and Architect directly, I will take this submissions word for it:

http://www.phila.gov/CityPlanning/projec...road%20and%20Spruce-CDR%20Submission.pdf

McBane · #**2899** Posted **May 12, 2014, 12:12 PM**

For the sake and safety of the flowers, I sincerely hope that those planters by the Post Office are being erected by union labor

Outta here · #**2900** Posted **May 12, 2014, 12:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

We originally had it listed at 47 floors and 562 feet. Then the height was changed to 567 feet.

However, with the Civic Design Review submission from two weeks ago, it lists the height at 46 floors and 590 feet. Since the CDR submission is from the Developer and Architect directly, I will take this submissions word for it:

http://www.phila.gov/CityPlanning/projec...road%20and%20Spruce-CDR%20Submission.pdf

Thank you Summers , I accept your knowledge concerning both SLS and FMC towers .
The time and effort you put into this thread is outstanding . Please continue to inform .