Calgary Roads

[Calgarian]

I think it would have the same effect as an HOV lane though. I think it would also encourage car pooling for both users and non users.

[fusili]

This sounds more like a HOV toll lane, that a full blown toll road. IMO, not a terrible idea as long a alternatives exist. Toll roads are terribly unpopular when proposed, and terribly popular after they are implemented.

[Fuzz]

I didn't see any suggestion by them to make it HOV.

[DizzyEdge]

It would be funny if people embrace HOV lanes because of the threat of toll lanes put forth by the Manning foundation.

[H.E.Pennypacker]

News on the possibility of toll roads has gone over well with the public this morning

[Full Mountain]

Originally Posted by H.E.Pennypacker

News on the possibility of toll roads has gone over well with the public this morning

So everyone seems to think this is a straight toll lane (which is what the media is saying) when what is being proposed is actually a High Occupancy Toll (HOT) lane, one where HOV's travel for free, but SOV's have to pay a fee. [Manning Report (pdf)]

[nick.flood]

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[Calgarian]

Originally Posted by Full Mountain

So everyone seems to think this is a straight toll lane (which is what the media is saying) when what is being proposed is actually a High Occupancy Toll (HOT) lane, one where HOV's travel for free, but SOV's have to pay a fee. [Manning Report (pdf)]

Gotta love how bad the media is getting in this city, everyone just puts their own spin on things instead of reporting accurately...

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by nick.flood

Who's manning the tolls determining occupancy class?

I'd assume there would be no actual manned tolls, but instead utilizing RFD cards on the vehicles and readers above the road. Now how would they determine that a vehicle in the HOT lane is operating as an HOV one day and not single occupant the next and charge accordingly?

[Fuzz]

I'm not sure how you could implement this as a single lane on Crowchild, given the way lanes drop off and change constantly.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm not sure how you could implement this as a single lane on Crowchild, given the way lanes drop off and change constantly.

Past 24th it shouldn't be a problem, as the left hand lane remains the same all the way until the current construction by the Tuscany LRT station. Obviously only speaking to the section northbound and southbound from Tuscany to 24th.

[Full Mountain]

Originally Posted by nick.flood

Who's manning the tolls determining occupancy class?

Originally Posted by Bigtime

I'd assume there would be no actual manned tolls, but instead utilizing RFD cards on the vehicles and readers above the road. Now how would they determine that a vehicle in the HOT lane is operating as an HOV one day and not single occupant the next and charge accordingly?

Would be a bit of technical challenge, but should be able to be overcome with cameras (thermal and normal) and machine intelligence. Not sure of the exact solution though, this paper from Georgia Tech [link (pdf)] covers a few solutions that may work.

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

I'd assume there would be no actual manned tolls, but instead utilizing RFD cards on the vehicles and readers above the road. Now how would they determine that a vehicle in the HOT lane is operating as an HOV one day and not single occupant the next and charge accordingly?

Cameras, and something like mechanical turk.

[nick.flood]

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[Full Mountain]

Originally Posted by Calgarian

Gotta love how bad the media is getting in this city, everyone just puts their own spin on things instead of reporting accurately...

Sad the whole enterprise is focused purely on selling rather than objective journalism, the sad thing is even if you pay for a subscription you still get ads. IMO a site with ads has some bias and is more likely to make a mountain out of molehill.

[Full Mountain]

Originally Posted by nick.flood

I don't see anything in their report to indicate that they've figured that out. If they think they're going to utilize some type of honour system, all the best with that.

Yeah, they left the solutioning to the city...Honour system?!

A straight toll lane would be much easier to implement than an HOT.

[YYCguys]

A toll on a substandard road is not cool! And Calgary is full of them! I think the only road that MIGHT be toll worthy at this point is Stoney Trail. Every other road has major problems--Glenmore, Crowchild, Deerfoot-- that should be fixed before a toll is introduced on them.

[MasterG]

Originally Posted by YYCguys

A toll on a substandard road is not cool! And Calgary is full of them! I think the only road that MIGHT be toll worthy at this point is Stoney Trail. Every other road has major problems--Glenmore, Crowchild, Deerfoot-- that should be fixed before a toll is introduced on them.

Isn't the whole idea to use the toll to fund the fixes to the roads?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Past 24th it shouldn't be a problem, as the left hand lane remains the same all the way until the current construction by the Tuscany LRT station. Obviously only speaking to the section northbound and southbound from Tuscany to 24th.

I never drive that section during rush hour, but my understanding is its pretty free flowing. Would a toll lane be any benefit for the north? I'd think you would end up with one mostly empty toll lane and 2 busier other lanes. Not busy enough to motivate people to pay though. Or am I wrong?

[H.E.Pennypacker]

Originally Posted by MasterG

Isn't the whole idea to use the toll to fund the fixes to the roads?

Such a simple concept that I'm not seeing many people understand on my Facebook feed