Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by acottawa

It is interesting that many bus stations have some fairly elaborate links to nearby buildings (Billings Bridge, Bayshore, Train, Blair, Baseline) linkages for LRT stations are pretty minimalist and seem to leave a lot of (seemingly) obvious targets out (the Via station, Trainyards, World Exchange, the Constitution Building, the Minto complex, the HBC building). Maybe the engineering isn't possible or the costs are prohibitive, but there is going to be some serious congestion on downtown sidewalks with full trains emptying every few minutes with only two exits per station (the transitway spreads things out a little more).

Very cost prohibitive. There are much bigger and busier networks that have even one exit at busy stations. It is usually not a problem. The Via station is certainly accessible from the LRT station, but yes you will have to go outside.

[J.OT13]

For comparison, Ottawa vs. Montreal indoor connection to subway on opening day.

Montreal

1. Place Ville Marie 1
2. Place Ville Marie 2
3. Place Ville Marie 3
4. Place Ville Marie 4
5. Queen Elizabeth Hotel
6. Gare Central
7. Place Bonaventure
8. Place du Canada
9. Château Champlain
10. Tour de La Bourse

Ottawa

1. Place de Ville A
2. Place de Ville B
3. Place de Ville C
4. Marriott Hotel
5. Delta Hotel
6. Podium (or Place de Ville D if built)
7. Rideau Centre
8. Hudson's Bay
9. Transportation Building
10. Westin hotel
11. Convention Centre
12. National Defence

And that's the worst case scenario for Ottawa. We could be adding 2 to 6+ buildings to the list.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Montreal and Toronto's underground cities weren't built in a day nor are they system wide today. There are still a few stand alone stations.

As for Ottawa, the two downtown stations with connections don't have "one connection to one building". Lyon station will be connected to 6 buildings.

No, it will be connected to one. There will be further connections from that building to others.

Rideau will also be connected to 6 buildings

No, it will be connected to one, with five others accessible from that one.

Unlike many other undergrounds, there will be no station that has more than one integrated underground egress to a building.

for a total of 12 links between subway and buildings

No, 12 buildings that are ultimately linked to the subway via two entrances.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Very cost prohibitive. There are much bigger and busier networks that have even one exit at busy stations. It is usually not a problem. The Via station is certainly accessible from the LRT station, but yes you will have to go outside.

Wait, what - the Via station connection will now expose passengers to the weather?

[J.OT13]

Again, it's the same with Montreal, TO, Edmonton and Vancouver. Not all buildings have an escalator straight down to the subway. It's an underground city connected to buildings and subways.

You think Place Ville Marie is directly connected to the subway? Of course not! The only building with direct connection in MTL, as you define it, on opening day was Place Bonaventure.

There's no point in connecting Lyon to every building individually; street entrance in the Podium and direct connection to the underground shopping concourse (which is directly connected to all 6 PdV buildings) is all you need.

As for Rideau, the only other building that could have a direct connection is HBC. It wouldn't be viable or necessary for the Westin, Convention Centre or DND.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Wait, what - the Via station connection will now expose passengers to the weather?

It is a short walk outside, mostly if not entirely covered from the rain. My comment was in reply to a previous post complaining that the VIA station is not connected to anything underground.

[Radster]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Maybe the engineering isn't possible or the costs are prohibitive, but there is going to be some serious congestion on downtown sidewalks with full trains emptying every few minutes with only two exits per station (the transitway spreads things out a little more).

I'm fine with that, seeing lots of people on sidewalks is a very good thing for many reasons!

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by S-Man

I would agree with this. There was a choice, and a number of people were on the fence, so why not get their vote with the PROMISE of an easy-peasy future conversion?

Well, if they had done nothing, things would have gotten worse, traffic wise, and current construction wise as well.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

As for Rideau, the only other building that could have a direct connection is HBC. It wouldn't be viable or necessary for the Westin, Convention Centre or DND.

There are buildings on both sides of the street at a number of the stations.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

It is a short walk outside, mostly if not entirely covered from the rain. My comment was in reply to a previous post complaining that the VIA station is not connected to anything underground.

But right now, it's entirely. If it reverts to less-than-entirely, that's a big downgrade for the pedestrian-comfort sphere.

[ortelius]

25% tunnel completion if my math is correct.
Any word on the East Portal?

[J.OT13]

Construction Summary

Central Segment

Tunnel

West Portal (Jawbreaker)
•The roadheader continues mining east to Lyon Street.
•Excavation in drifts* progresses in the full face of the Lyon Station Cavern.

Mining progresses in full cavern face at West Portal

Central Shaft (Chewrocka)
•Shotcreting and tunnel reinforcements are ongoing as mining progresses in the transition* to the Parliament Station cavern, continuing east toward Bank Street.

East Portal (Crocodile Rouge)
•Tunneling works advance in two phases; the first phase continues and includes grouting to confirm stable tunnel face conditions. The second phase will start only after all new borehole data is fully analyzed.

For weekly updates on tunnel excavation progress please visit the Roadheader page.

East Segment

Maintenance and Storage Facility (MSF)
•Site activities, including utilities excavation, are ongoing.
•Excavation progressive on the MSF building foundation.

MSF excavation

Civic Works

Highway 417 Widening and Structure Rehabilitation

Roadworks
•Boring and sewer work progresses on the north side of the highway, near Hurdman Bridge and Robinson Avenue, as well as on the south side near Lees Avenue.
•Drilling of piles and pouring progresses for the sound wall footings along the south side of the highway, from St. Laurent Blvd. to Vanier Pkwy.
•Quick moveable barriers (QMB) and traffic control barriers (TCB) were moved back to pre-winter location along the construction zone.

Signage
•The three message signs have been installed; final construction works, including electrical, continue to power the signs.

Structures
•Widening, reconstruction and rehabilitation of various bridge structures progresses along the highway.

Hurdman Bridge
•Backfilling work occurs on the abutments.
•Formwork*** continues at the ends of the deck on the south side and rebar installation advance on the north side.

St. Laurent Overpass
•Widening and rehabilitation progresses with formwork and pouring on the north barrier wall.

St. Laurent overpass deck and barrier walls

Vanier Parkway Overpass
•Work advances in the staging area, including falsework**** installation which will be followed by new girder installations.
•Rehabilitation work progresses on the overpass and includes forming and pouring of parapet walls***** on the north and south sides.
•Formwork and refacing continues on the south side abutments.

Staging area for new bridge at Vanier Parkway overpass

Belfast Road Underpass
•Work progresses in preparation of the bridge replacement, including parapet wall construction
•Installation of the retaining wall occurs.

Belfast Bridge existing structure concrete removal

Lees Avenue Underpass – work progresses in preparation of the rapid bridge replacement.
•Construction of the new bridge components is ongoing in the staging area, including girder installation and forming the new deck surface.
•Refacing work progresses on the south side abutment of the existing structure.

Lees Avenue staging area girder - deck work continues

Coventry Pedestrian Footbridge
•Installation of rebar cage and pouring of caissons continue at the north abutment.

Coventry Footbridge rebar cage installation

Notes:

* Drifts refer to the sections of the wider cavern station that are excavated in sequence – see example below.

** Transition refers to the area between the running tunnel and the wider station caverns.

*** Formwork refers to a mold in which concrete is poured.

**** Falsework refers to a temporary support structure.

***** Parapet wall refers to a protective barrier on the side of a bridge.

Stay on-track with us and follow our progress by visiting the sections related to each area of construction at the top of this webpage.

http://www.confederationline.ca/en#target3303

[lrt's friend]

I take it that tunneling remains stopped at East Portal and there is no idea of when it will be able to proceed again.

[1overcosc]

^ Sounds about right.

Because the other two TBMs are way ahead of schedule (heck they're both on the stations already!), it's likely they'll compensate for lost time by making the central roadheader dig out Rideau Station and moving the meeting point between the central & eastern TBMs further east.

[JM1]

I agree. What makes the transition even worse is that those going between the train station main door and the station will be squeezed onto a very narrow and poorly maintained sidewalk. I never understood why they didn't just leave the station where it is.

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

But right now, it's entirely. If it reverts to less-than-entirely, that's a big downgrade for the pedestrian-comfort sphere.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by JM1

I agree. What makes the transition even worse is that those going between the train station main door and the station will be squeezed onto a very narrow and poorly maintained sidewalk. I never understood why they didn't just leave the station where it is.

Based on the picture on the LRT website it appears as though the connection will be covered.

http://www.confederationline.ca/en/the-build/tremblay/gallery/#jp-carousel-858

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by JM1

I agree. What makes the transition even worse is that those going between the train station main door and the station will be squeezed onto a very narrow and poorly maintained sidewalk. I never understood why they didn't just leave the station where it is.

They had to re-align the RoW to and from the station because the existing curves are too tight for trains.

[eemy]

The renderings they've shown so far show that the area between the LRT station and the train station will be landscaped with a much wider path and some sort of glass covering providing a measure of protection from the elements.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

The renderings they've shown so far show that the area between the LRT station and the train station will be landscaped with a much wider path and some sort of glass covering providing a measure of protection from the elements.

I guess my link didn't work.

Here's some pics that show the glass covering:

[JM1]

So there is a nice wide covered walk until you get to the parking lot entrance. Then you bump across the traffic entering the lot and then squeeze onto the narrow path that leads from there to the main entrance of the station... Right past the taxi stand where people are waiting/loading into cabs.

Oh, and how do you get to train yards?

Originally Posted by bradnixon

I guess my link didn't work.

Here's some pics that show the glass covering: