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Originally Posted by ssiguy
Vancouver was stupid to build the Canada Line the way it did. Not only are the stations ridiculously small but can only be expanded to 50 meter which was NOT wwhat we were promised as they were suppose to be 60 meter stations or 3 subway cars.
The standard Metro cars are noticeable slower moving than SkyTrain during the trip, acceleration, and deceleration, everyone notices and comments on it. The system is already over capacity and has solved little. It is faster coming from Richmond but they don't run near as frequently as the BLine buses did to Richmond Centre. It is slower for people coming in from Delta/South Surrey/White Rock due to the transfer and you never get a seat.
This was all Campbell's doing and we are stuck with it. FWI.........this has nothing to do with it being a PPP but rather Campbell wanting to build anything in time for the Olympics and to hell with the actual transit users of the city after that.
Question about the Cherry Streetcar.................Cherry runs N/S and yet the line is less than 1 km. Does that mean someone going downtown is going to have to take a 5 minute streetcar ride only to have to transfer at King or will it become part of the King route?
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When are you gonna stop bringing this up all the time? Yes it's brutal that we used Rotem and have small platforms, but everything else you're saying is simply not true. I take the Canada Line (from South Delta) many times a week.
1. The system is NOT over capacity. When school was in session I took the Canada Line every day, there and back during peak hours. I got passed up
only twice this entire school year. During rush hour, it's expected to have the train packed: having it empty means that it was designed with too much capacity. And outside of rush hour, what you're saying is just laughable. 90% of the time you'll get a seat commuting outside of peak hours.
2. The 98 B-Line came every 5-7 minutes during rush hour, and every 10 in the afternoon. So the same as the Canada Line in rush hour, and slower than the Canada Line in the afternoon, since the Canada Line comes every 7 minutes during both periods. Also, right now it takes the Canada Line 25 minutes to go from Richmond-Brighouse to Waterfront, which is the entire line. It took the 98 B-Line 42 minutes to do the same route. I guarantee you you won't find a single person that would rather have the 98 B-Line than the Canada Line.
3. Going into the city from South Delta is MUCH easier ever since the Canada Line opened. How can you say it's slower? Yes you have to transfer at Bridgeport Station, but trains come every 3 minutes there and then you have a 17 minute train ride completely grade separated direct to downtown. Your really think that's slower than having to deal with traffic and lights on Granville Street? You've brought up in other posts that "hordes" of people want to bring the 601 and 351 back to downtown, but you're the only person I've heard say that. It is indisputably true that it's faster with the transfer and Skytrain than a direct bus.
4. So what if you can't get a seat? Are you 90 and can't stand for 17 minutes? It is very rare to be able to get a seat in any metro in the world. If you always have a seat, that means the metro shouldn't have been built in the first place as its ridership is too low. Besides, if you're coming in to Vancouver from South Delta, you can always take the train coming from YVR-Airport, since it is almost always empty and there are many seats. Many people do this in fact, for seats and so they don't have to deal with the packed trains coming in from Richmond-Brighouse.
So while we might have capacity issues in the far future, we are completely fine for now. Current capacity is 6,100 pphpd, which is expandable to 10,100 with 2 minutes headways (4 minutes on the split lines) and to 15,000 pphpd by extending the platforms, which should be fairly easy since it's been pre-built. The only point I'll give you is that they are much slower which is why it was a huge mistake that we went with Rotem. However, I've heard many people say they prefer the Canada Line to the Expo and Millennium Lines because the trains are nicer. I haven't met anybody that's noticed the speed difference, but I definitely agree that it's a big issue.
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