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Old Posted Apr 25, 2014, 4:58 PM
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Read what you just wrote from that email, real people do not talk like that. Yoda talks like that. Whoever writes that is somebody who will curve the path just as soon as being artful is considered fashionable again.
I think we could probably all just stay above taking random shots at people for writing artfully.
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I think we could probably all just stay above taking random shots at people for writing artfully.
Apologize do I, but on this point, agree with Bunt_q I must.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2014, 8:03 PM
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Apologize do I, but on this point, agree with Bunt_q I must.
There are many ways to write in an obnoxious manner that scholar writing his thoughts at length perceives is acute, perspicacious, and sagacious but the person to whom the content of the letter is address will find languorous, lymphatic, and intentionally disorienting, as if the original scholar had attempted to impress upon his reader his ultimate intelligence at the expense of brevity, clarity, and any semblance of salience. Such writers usually consider that the ineffective actions--or inactions--of those who cannot understand their complex ideals as being too obtuse, and those obtuse people in leadership often obfuscate the truth of the matter asserted to promote their short-term goals at the expense of the greater good. If only those people in power could comprehend the scholar's complex ideas, they would not place entertainment of the masses desire to transport themselves to places. Instead the scholar must bore others about tales of instutitional incompetence.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2014, 8:07 PM
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Apologize do I, but on this point, agree with Bunt_q I must.
In the way of agreeing with bunt forum opprobrium always lies.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2014, 8:46 PM
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Good grief. So let's see, what we had was, spot-on consensus that that sidewalk (which I often use) is designed stupidly, a professor's impression that good design follows natural and man-made forces, an accusation that the professor would actually draw up a badly designed path because he be usin' high falutin' words and whatnot, and then I think someone threw a beer bottle at a soprano.

Pardon me for feeling like walking down to that stupid sidewalk right now and just strolling along it as designed, just to spite all y'all.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2014, 9:15 PM
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I actually stay on the sidewalk myself. Nobody is saying he's wrong, I think we all agree with him. We just generally have no patience for folks -architects in particular - who go out of their way to try to sound smart and deep and sophisticated. It's part of the reason why the entire profession of architecture has become a bit of a joke - they try too hard. Even when being simple and pragmatic is in vogue, like it is these days, architect-types have to find the least pragmatic way to be pragmatic.
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I actually stay on the sidewalk myself. Nobody is saying he's wrong, I think we all agree with him. We just generally have no patience for folks -architects in particular - who go out of their way to try to sound smart and deep and sophisticated. It's part of the reason why the entire profession of architecture has become a bit of a joke - they try too hard. Even when being simple and pragmatic is in vogue, like it is these days, architect-types have to find the least pragmatic way to be pragmatic.
Can confirm. Dated architect. Argued about this way way way too much.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2014, 9:22 PM
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Can confirm. Dated architect. Argued about this way way way too much.
Why am I not surprised that you dated an architect?

Next you're going to tell me that all the girls you date are about 5'4" or shorter.
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So I was reading through the above thread and decided it would make a good lunchtime design exercise. As always you learn a lot by putting pencil to paper(mouseclicks to aerial photography). I am certainly no landscape architect and my quick sketch solution isn't very refined, it did however get the wheels turning so to speak.

Observations:
+The current path pushes pedestrians north past the storefronts on the plaza, where a more direct path from bridge to bridge would align with the southern less desirable shaded sidewalk. This would also force another road crossing for the majority of users.
+Pushing people north creates a large flat open field for frisby, yoga, other yuppster activities, a more direct path would bisect this space and perhaps limit its ability to host more active uses. For the record, I think this is exactly wherethose types of activities were designed to go and exactly where you want those activities to occur.

Design Challenges:
+What becomes of the current path if a more direct one is added.
+Can active uses be accommodated elsewhere if the field is bisected.
+How does one balance shelter and safety, ex: by moving the path away from the hill one might want to create a sense of enclosure by planting trees/bosque etc however trees might make the area feel less safe(more rape-y)
+Does one continue hardscape for the entire width off the plaza, frankly that is just a ton of pavers/crushed gravel/whatever. A formally ordered landscape might conflict with the organic/natural feel oif the rest of the park. Anything less might just feel cheap and arbitrary.
+How is the space programmed, by who. For example the plaza often feels underutilized except when there are events(fashion show) etc. Even more so now that the water feature was removed.

Finally if all if the above is met with success your path will still run directly into the wall at the base of the bridge stairs, damn detour again.

I do think that a direct path is the way to go but it didn't take long working on the problem to see some oif the reasons that it ended up that way. Also in defense of the original designers, I would add that although my memory of the timeline is can bit fuzzy I think the bridges came after the park. Also, highland was not nearly the same place it is today.

Anyways, kinda fun, although I have now probably spent more time typing this up than I spent drawing at lunch. I wonder if anyone would sponsor a design competition, East West, Riverfront Park, PlatteForum, UC Denver SAP, etc as a way to create dialog and spur future change?

Wait, is this the transportation thread, sorry Cirrus
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Why am I not surprised that you dated an architect?

Next you're going to tell me that all the girls you date are about 5'4" or shorter.
She was the tallest I've dated at 5' 6".
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She was the tallest I've dated at 5' 6".
Wow that's a tall woman.. was her name Brienne?
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2014, 10:11 PM
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I actually stay on the sidewalk myself. Nobody is saying he's wrong, I think we all agree with him. We just generally have no patience for folks -architects in particular - who go out of their way to try to sound smart and deep and sophisticated. It's part of the reason why the entire profession of architecture has become a bit of a joke - they try too hard. Even when being simple and pragmatic is in vogue, like it is these days, architect-types have to find the least pragmatic way to be pragmatic.
I suppose we all have our tastes and our preferences, but I really didn't read any of it as smacking of an effort to impress. It sounded to me more like a cute Star Wars in-joke, actually. And I like living in a world where some people in fact are, effortlessly, smart or deep or sophisticated. And I like hearing their perspective on the 'why' that underpins what is good or bad about the built environment. I was unaware that architecture has become a joke. I sure see an awful lot of it around still. But to each his own.
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She was the tallest I've dated at 5' 6".
What is it with short or short(er) woman and tall dudes?

All transportation related of course.
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What is it with short or short(er) woman and tall dudes?

All transportation related of course.
What's more awwwww to look at? A train with 1 car or a train with 3 cars? I would be with a train with one car but would be frightened to be with a 3 car train...
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So size (negatively) matters to Ryan.
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I should know this, and will be able to see for myself soon, but is there a direct connection down into the bus terminal from inside Union Station? Or are the only access points the Chestnut and Wewatta pavilions? Hopefully it's the former and not the later.
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So size (negatively) matters to Ryan.
I went out with someone recently that was 5' 10" and I was relatively frightened of her. That's still a good 7 inches shorter than me but man... I don't know...

Oh and... Transity transit transit.
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2014, 1:00 AM
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RyanD, the gentle giant. Ruining all the small girls for the rest of us.
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RyanD, the gentle giant. Ruining all the small girls for the rest of us.
Transity transit transit transit transit sorry mate transit transit transit transit.
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Okay, I just wanted to say that architects don't design parks, or path in parks. We just don't. In fact, we really don't even talk about it much except when we wonder why some Landscape Architect made such a weird path.

I read somewhere about an exercise where a corporate campus decided to just see where the trails wound up before installing paths and then put the paved paths where the informal trails occurred.
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