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Old Posted Apr 22, 2014, 8:47 PM
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A friend who works in the Wells Fargo Building says they just removed the Olympic pylon from the Gallivan Center--anyone know anything about that?
Those seem to be fading out slowing. First the one at the Airport near the exit came down and never went back up. Then the one at ESA got it's banners replace with Utah Jazz Banners........why?......I don't know and now this?
This is truly a shame. It seems the city wants to move on from it Olympic days by removing all those remembers that we once were a host city. The only Olympic reminder we have downtown is the Olympic Plaza at the north end of the Gateway Mall.......and I think that's about it.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2014, 9:32 PM
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SLC was named as a potential finalists to host the 2016 Democratic Convention:

http://www.kutv.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_10796.shtml

Doubt the city would ever get it because they generally stick to swing states. It'd provide a huge boost to tourism, though, if they somehow landed it.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2014, 9:51 PM
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SLC was named as a potential finalists to host the 2016 Democratic Convention:

http://www.kutv.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_10796.shtml

Doubt the city would ever get it because they generally stick to swing states. It'd provide a huge boost to tourism, though, if they somehow landed it.
I would laugh if the democrats beat the republicans to this city for their convention. But the CCH absolutely would need to be done for that. The dem and rep conventions are massive money makers for cities.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2014, 10:29 PM
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SLC was named as a potential finalists to host the 2016 Democratic Convention:

http://www.kutv.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_10796.shtml

Doubt the city would ever get it because they generally stick to swing states. It'd provide a huge boost to tourism, though, if they somehow landed it.
I can see it being number 15 on the list of 15...but it's nice to be included on that list at all. And of course, I'd love to see either party have their convention here, but I'd find the irony of having the Democratic convention in one of the reddest of red states (albeit in a city that usually has a Dem mayor) very funny.

It'd be a great way to promote Utah's convention hosting abilities, and an additional spur besides the Outdoor Retailers to get the friggin CCH built in a timely manner.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2014, 10:31 PM
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Those seem to be fading out slowing. First the one at the Airport near the exit came down and never went back up. Then the one at ESA got it's banners replace with Utah Jazz Banners........why?......I don't know and now this?
This is truly a shame. It seems the city wants to move on from it Olympic days by removing all those remembers that we once were a host city. The only Olympic reminder we have downtown is the Olympic Plaza at the north end of the Gateway Mall.......and I think that's about it.
Looks like they're doing a cleaning/repainting of the Gallivan Center metalwork that holds the banners, and then redoing the banners on the three sides: one Olympic, one Gallivan Center, one Downtown.
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The RDA is taking down the signs on the pylon to have them replaced. The existing ones were made to be temporary and are in really bad shape. The back of most of them is completely covered in mold. The signs will be "winter sports themed" but not necessarily utilizing and official Olympic imagery. Those items are copyrighted and after working with the IOC for over a year to gain their approval the city gave up.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2014, 1:29 AM
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Agreed. It's almost backwards.. Based on the current growth trends and projections, it seems as if once the SL valley is built out, cities will be scrambling to finally build dense and vertical when they should be planning now. Adding an additional 400-500K in the SL valley with proper resource management will be an interesting development.

It gives me hope that downtown will continue to rise once the southwestern valley is built out. I live in Sandy and it's been interesting to see vacant lots throughout the valley become homes or businesses little by little.
The drama in South Jordan over the idea of developing the Mulligans golf course is a perfect example of the fear of apt/condos and other high density development along the Wasatch front. Too many people in Utah (especially southern SL county and Utah county) just can't let go of the 50's type idealized sprawl.
     
     
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The drama in South Jordan over the idea of developing the Mulligans golf course is a perfect example of the fear of apt/condos and other high density development along the Wasatch front. Too many people in Utah (especially southern SL county and Utah county) just can't let go of the 50's type idealized sprawl.
Most western cities have this problem. Phoenix is the ultimate model in urban sprawl. Except for Tempe, all they understand down there is endless subdivisions spreading out forever.......................................................... ............................................................................................
At least SLC/Ogden/Provo have lakes and mountains that will eventually limit the sprawl and force the metro to start gaining hight.
     
     
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I was reading about Ken Bretschneider's involvement in that big theme park "Evermore" going up in Pleasant Grove. I was wondering about the latest on his "Air Center" Club on W. Temple?
Has anyone been by the site lately...any progress? UtPlanner, have you heard any rumblings?

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Old Posted Apr 23, 2014, 12:35 PM
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...Too many people in Utah (especially southern SL county and Utah county) just can't let go of the 50's type idealized sprawl.
Believe me, I don't mean to sound too impertinent, but how many of you are married with three or more children, or are you single like me? Has it somehow escaped all those on the forum, who make similar comments that the Wasatch is the family capital of the world, particularly southern Salt Lake and Utah Counties. Why is it so difficult, even for a single person to understand the need for a family to own a single detached home? It's a no brainer that families are going to invest in a much bigger bang for the buck, especially along the metro of the nation's family capital.

Hey, if anyone is against the "Married with 3-plus kids" lifestyle, then say so. Believe me, I get and support the single option, etc. etc., but I also support those who enjoy having a husband/wife and multiple kids.

If any of you are married with 3 plus children, and live in a large urban center condo/apt. or comfortable home, without having to blow your budget into bankruptcy, then please tell use how you do it. Aside of course from the fact that you have a six figure income, or inherited the property from your folks.

From my own personal observations of my home town in Northern Utah County, the housing lot's have gotten much smaller, and the commercial nodes have become a lot closer. Even from my parents house we could now walk to just about every convenience necessary, from K-12 school to medical to grocery to clothing to office. Shopping and work excursions that use to take from a 20 to 45 plus minute drive, have been cut to 4 or 5 minutes.

My parent's comfortable starter home was on a quiet little country lane called Sugar St. A well connected friend advised them that if they wanted to continue with my Dad's growing business, they had better move out further to the country. They looked and looked at land in Draper and Alpine, and settled on a nice piece of acreage straddling the Highland/Alpine border. That quiet little Sugar St. soon became a very busy thoroughfare called 7200 South. That once quiet countryside became Fort Union's epicenter. Anyway, so my Mom worked in a supervisory position for the Federal Government for 25 years. That necessitated that she commute from the Alpine Highland area to Downtown Salt Lake. My Dad's occupation demanded a bit of open land. Today my Mom could drive on a beautiful, one of a kind parkway for a few brief minutes, park the car and hop the FrontRunner. She would absolutely love it! This, and still enjoy their dream of a family with kids and yard. Of course now, the yard would be much smaller, and a long list of recreational opportunities for the kids are all within easy walking and or bicycle reach. Also, my mom was one talented smart lady. She would have a cushy job at Adobe most likely, and wouldn't need to make the long commute. My parents would love FrontRunner and TRAX though. They loved trains/mass transit on the east coast. Whenever they visited my Dad's business associates in New York, they would make that commute from Jersey into Manhattan. They were very enthusiastic about how they could take a short hop from those beautiful surburban homes in Jersey, arrive at the train station, and within a very comfortable time be in the heart of Manhattan.

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We have more than enough single family detached homes IMO. Families do not "need" to live in single detached homes. Do you think there aren't any families in Western Europe?
     
     
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I drive past the Air 7 site everyday and there has not been anything at all going on for a few months now. The buildings are gone and the ground leveled but I haven't seen any workers there. I really hope that the project doesn't fall through and we get stuck with an empty lot.
     
     
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I was reading about Ken Bretschneider's involvement in that big theme park "Evermore" going up in Pleasant Grove. I was wondering about the latest on his "Air Center" Club on W. Temple?
Has anyone been by the site lately...any progress? UtPlanner, have you heard any rumblings?
I'm not involved with the project but I did hear that an investor (possibly the main guy) backed out so now those that are still involved are seeking funding.

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Old Posted Apr 23, 2014, 3:24 PM
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I can tell you that they're still actively pursuing their building permits though I wouldn't say that they were completing them with a lot of vigor. Because of the city's new demolition regulations. If the project falls through for any reason, the city will exercise the landscaping bond that they produced when applying for demolition permits and have the lot landscaped.
     
     
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People keep saying farmland and suburban development is "cheaper" but in reality it's not. The true costs of sprawl is deferred until after the purchase in the form of longer commute times, installation of utility infrastructure limited services such as grocery stores and having to spend $$ driving to do the stuff urban dwellers do using other modes.I did the exurb and suburb thing for over a decade and I moved to SLC and cut my commute by 75%. Urban living has increased my time at home with my 2 kids and I would never go back to the suburban lifestyle of sterile homogeneity and commuting to everything.

Having said all that, I still believe that in the same way as the 'burbs under prices the true cost of development, central city over prices the cost of their open land. Downtown has a ton of under utilized and empty space that could be far better utilized for housing, such as row houses and even higher density single family, but land bankers would rather sit on it to put it to better use. The urban core of SLC could compete on the pricing front if only there was the will.
     
     
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Believe me, I don't mean to sound too impertinent, but how many of you are married with three or more children, or are you single like me?
     
     
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We have more than enough single family detached homes IMO. Families do not "need" to live in single detached homes. Do you think there aren't any families in Western Europe?
Isn't that the American Dream? To have your own detached home with a yard and picket fence. I know it my dream. . . .
     
     
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Yeah, and WOW, those big families of 3 or more kids are sooo plentiful in Western European Capitals or major cities.
     
     
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I can tell you that they're still actively pursuing their building permits though I wouldn't say that they were completing them with a lot of vigor. Because of the city's new demolition regulations. If the project falls through for any reason, the city will exercise the landscaping bond that they produced when applying for demolition permits and have the lot landscaped.
That would be sad if it fell through. I would think that especially now, with a major new convention hotel on the horizon, it would be a shoe in for the go ahead. Maybe after the CCH is official, the enthusiasm for the project's investors will increase exponentially.
     
     
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Yeah, and WOW, those big families of 3 or more kids are sooo plentiful in Western European Capitals or major cities.
Europe is a great example, and so is the rest of the urban centric metros of the world. If you could look at a density map of singles, couples, couples with one child, couples with two children, couples with three children, and so on, you'd likely find that larger families are far less likely to be in higher density areas. Singles and couples would be more concentrated in higher density areas.

That is probably a good reason why the European and other nations are seeing a decline in the birth rates as they become more and more urban.

I could be completely wrong, but I think the more urban one wants to live, the less likely they are to want/have two, three, or more kids.

I know no one wants my three loud daughters living directly below/above/to the side of them. They get REALLY LOUD!
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