ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[sunking1056]

I would love to see that TWELVE design revived but, yeh, expecting skyhouse shit with parking deck.

[Canguy]

Originally Posted by sunking1056

I would love to see that TWELVE design revived but, yeh, expecting skyhouse shit with parking deck.

Yes to the Skyhouse design, but there is talk of a podium deck though.....

[Frankster87]

Originally Posted by Canguy

Yes to the Skyhouse design, but there is talk of a podium deck though.....

Do you have a source for that?

[testarossa50]

Maybe stand-alone decks are better than podiums long run. When self-driving taxis take over everything in 15 years, they can just be demolished and forgotten about.

[Frankster87]

Originally Posted by testarossa50

Maybe stand-alone decks are better than podiums long run. When self-driving taxis take over everything in 15 years, they can just be demolished and forgotten about.

That 15 year timeframe sounds a bit agressive, but I actually somewhat agree with this logic.

I do not agree on the self driving taxis per say, but I feel that these decks could be demolished to build additional housing, once the city reaches a point of less dependance on the automobile.

[coyotetrickster]

[QUOTE=thebigATL;6543618]

Originally Posted by daharris80

The sole source for this information is a craigslist ad. So you are asking us to keep an eye on something that requires 1) believing Apple uses craigslist to hire employees, and 2) jumping to the conclusion that "new store" is a flagship? We might as well keep an eye out on this flagship store being a super tall skyscraper that apple will use to relocate its headquarters to Atlanta.[/QUOTE]

So apple is thinking about moving there headquaters here or you just saying that to be sarcastic???

Yeah, Apple's $500 million HQ, Designed by Norm Foster, is already under construction in Cupertino.

[Libertarian]

Apple's relocating to ATL for the tax breaks. You heard it here first.

[Canguy]

Originally Posted by Frankster87

Do you have a source for that?

Yes

[RocketSurgeon]

Originally Posted by Frankster87

That 15 year timeframe sounds a bit agressive, but I actually somewhat agree with this logic.

I do not agree on the self driving taxis per say, but I feel that these decks could be demolished to build additional housing, once the city reaches a point of less dependance on the automobile.

Parking structures are unlikely to be completely eliminated in any of our lifetimes, but that does raise an important point that many seem to forget: Nothing is permanent. Midtown is still mostly underdeveloped, and although land is expensive by Podunk, AL standards it's still cheaper than building up or digging a hole. Novare is building giant parking structures separate from their buildings because that's the most cost effective way of building in Atlanta today. In another 20-30 years that may no longer be the case, and you might start seeing new development happening around and above existing parking structures as it becomes viable. Case in point: The retail currently being built out in Viewpoint's garage.

Of course Atlanta is unlikely to ever reach Manhattan-like levels of density since it has no natural barriers other than the Chattahoochee which is miles from the core.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

Of course Atlanta is unlikely to ever reach Manhattan-like levels of density since it has no natural barriers other than the Chattahoochee which is miles from the core.

i don't doubt that you'll see specific tracts that are as dense as some manhattan tracts, but the thing is atlanta is never going to be the size of manhattan. the core area is at the broadest definition about 6 square miles; manhattan is almost 34 square miles.

the historic single-family neighbourhoods such as midtown, va-hi, inman park, and around the beltline area may not be *natural* barriers, but they are certainly barriers in terms of dense development. i don't think it's out of this world to imagine the area from 15th street all the way to garnett street having several tracts in the 100,000 ppsm level, however, i don't expect to ever see atlanta have miles and miles and miles of hyper-dense development like manhattan does.

even if the 6 or so square miles completely fills out, that's only 600,000 people.

[scania]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

i don't doubt that you'll see specific tracts that are as dense as some manhattan tracts, but the thing is atlanta is never going to be the size of manhattan. the core area is at the broadest definition about 6 square miles; manhattan is almost 34 square miles.

the historic single-family neighbourhoods such as midtown, va-hi, inman park, and around the beltline area may not be *natural* barriers, but they are certainly barriers in terms of dense development. i don't think it's out of this world to imagine the area from 15th street all the way to garnett street having several tracts in the 100,000 ppsm level, however, i don't expect to ever see atlanta have miles and miles and miles of hyper-dense development like manhattan does.

even if the 6 or so square miles completely fills out, that's only 600,000 people.

Excellent point.

[briantech]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

i don't doubt that you'll see specific tracts that are as dense as some manhattan tracts, but the thing is atlanta is never going to be the size of manhattan. the core area is at the broadest definition about 6 square miles; manhattan is almost 34 square miles.

the historic single-family neighbourhoods such as midtown, va-hi, inman park, and around the beltline area may not be *natural* barriers, but they are certainly barriers in terms of dense development. i don't think it's out of this world to imagine the area from 15th street all the way to garnett street having several tracts in the 100,000 ppsm level, however, i don't expect to ever see atlanta have miles and miles and miles of hyper-dense development like manhattan does.

even if the 6 or so square miles completely fills out, that's only 600,000 people.

For midtown, yeah good point. You're right, the ansley park & midtown historic residential neighborhoods may as well be lakes from a construction standpoint -- there's not really any realistic way the zoning laws would change for those areas to allow for vertical development would they? Seems like the people living in all those SFH's would have a conniption fit if someone tried to build even a 10 story mid rise.

[nature's calling]

Rendering of new retail space at White Provisions, which looks to be erecting where Osteria del Figo currently is.

[RocketSurgeon]

Well of course influential (a.k.a. rich) neighborhoods are unlikely to be built up now, but think of the future: Take all the vacant or under-built lots in Midtown and Downtown, then consider the vast swaths of other adjacent areas like Home Park or English Avenue, and it might be 100 years before anyone needs to think about tearing down houses in Ansley Park. There's no telling what those neighborhoods will be like by then.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

Well of course influential (a.k.a. rich) neighborhoods are unlikely to be built up now, but think of the future: Take all the vacant or under-built lots in Midtown and Downtown, then consider the vast swaths of other adjacent areas like Home Park or English Avenue, and it might be 100 years before anyone needs to think about tearing down houses in Ansley Park. There's no telling what those neighborhoods will be like by then.

due to the housing stock in home park and its trouble with consistently low property values (despite the massive increase in areas around it), i wouldn't be surprised if home park eventually disappears a little bit at a time with urban development, especially once midtown maxes out.

i love home park and i think it's quaint and charming... but the houses in home park are simply not the calibre of housing stock that you see in sucessfully revitalized neighbourhoods, even those such as cabbagetown. the homes are not even all that old compared to many of the more historic neighbourhoods around the atlanta area— most of the houses date sometime between the 20s and the 50s, and are mostly plain and relatively cheaply built. if the property values surrounding the area continue to rise while the value of the homes stay stagnant, you will probably see the neighbourhood disappear.

i think english avenue, on the other hand, is probably an entirely different situation. english avenue has probably the worst trouble with crime in the entire atlanta area, but if they can sweep out the heroin problem, that neighbourhood is poised for a comeback that would astonish a lot of people. the houses in the neighbourhood, while they are currently not in good condition, are of significant historic and architectural significance, especially for atlanta, and there are many areas that would be prime locations for multifamily and retail development throughout the neighbourhood. combine that with the convenience of EA's unusual (for atlanta) grid system that makes getting from point A to point B more convenient, and you've got a neighbourhood that could really be a really nice place someday.

[Tuckerman]

IMO Home park is a distinct possibility for densification particularly if the Westside moves towards the center and Atlantic Station influence moves south. However I believe the most likely area in the long run is the whole residential area south of Piedmont Park bounded by 10th, Monroe, Piedmont and Ponce. High rise residential fronting on the Park along 10th is a very logical development, as in incursion along Piedmont from the west. The possibility of building high-rises with unobstructed views across the Park is very enticing.

[clexmond]

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

IMO Home park is a distinct possibility for densification particularly if the Westside moves towards the center and Atlantic Station influence moves south. However I believe the most likely area in the long run is the whole residential area south of Piedmont Park bounded by 10th, Monroe, Piedmont and Ponce. High rise residential fronting on the Park along 10th is a very logical development, as in incursion along Piedmont from the west. The possibility of building high-rises with unobstructed views across the Park is very enticing.

I have to disagree. There are several reasons that I don't see historic Midtown developing for quite a while. First, it's a nationally recognized historic district. This doesn't mean a whole lot until it's recognized locally, but I'm willing to bet there will be a big push for that the second a high-rise is proposed anywhere in the area. Second, the Children's School owns about half of the property along 10th. They continue to expand and I don't see them going anywhere which makes it that much harder to find a desirable spot next to the park. Third, it would require significant rezoning and would come up against a significant amount of well-monied opposition.

[AtlantaMustang]

Originally Posted by clexmond

I have to disagree. There are several reasons that I don't see historic Midtown developing for quite a while. First, it's a nationally recognized historic district. This doesn't mean a whole lot until it's recognized locally, but I'm willing to bet there will be a big push for that the second a high-rise is proposed anywhere in the area. Second, the Children's School owns about half of the property along 10th. They continue to expand and I don't see them going anywhere which makes it that much harder to find a desirable spot next to the park. Third, it would require significant rezoning and would come up against a significant amount of well-monied opposition.

Agreed. I could actually see it happening along the other edges, but I see it unlikely along 10th. Along the western edge is already happening, and Ponce will happen, and if anything ever gets built along the large shopping complexes fronting the Beltline. Speaking of which, I think a development will happen sooner than later near Home Depot, or so I've heard.

[clexmond]

Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang

Agreed. I could actually see it happening along the other edges, but I see it unlikely along 10th. Along the western edge is already happening, and Ponce will happen, and if anything ever gets built along the large shopping complexes fronting the Beltline. Speaking of which, I think a development will happen sooner than later near Home Depot, or so I've heard.

You tease. I would be thrilled to see that. Those massive surface parking lots are such an unfortunate use in that area.

[AtlantaMustang]

Originally Posted by clexmond

You tease. I would be thrilled to see that. Those massive surface parking lots are such an unfortunate use in that area.

I'm not exactly sure on anything about it, all I know is it's along the Beltline beside Home Depot. I assume the lot directly north(?), and from what I've heard, it won't be the typical 5 floor stick built either. I have no idea on timeframe or anything, sorry to start the rumor mill.