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Old Posted Mar 15, 2014, 6:36 PM
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It is absolutely horrendous, full of asbestos and mold. The interior needs to be totally gutted and restructured internally, right down to the elevator shafts and floor decks.
Lots of old buildings have/had asbestos and mold. My house has asbestos. I'd be fine with a total interior gut job. It's just the shell that's valuable at this point--but it's really valuable. The two-layered architecture depicting the demarcation between the original and post-fire rebuild, the dignified bearing, and of course, all the prominent Haligonians and Nova Scotians who've been involved with it. And, this is just opinion, but I think it's a damn fine-looking structure.

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What do you think about a private developer that incorporates the Dennis into a larger development?
Would be great. It'd be nice to keep the profile of the building as you look west (i.e., not have a much taller building hulking behind it) but I wouldn't get too picky if the shell of thr Dennis itself was restored and kept safe for another few decades.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2014, 7:40 PM
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I think a residential development would be ideal for the Dennis building site. Looking at the Bing Maps Birds Eye View there is plenty of room for a residential development - http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=rf768b9q1xmt&lvl=19.28&dir=91.3&sty=o&form=LMLTCC.

A developer could incorporate two sides of the Dennis building facade and build an 8 storey residential building on the Dennis building site and surface parking lots with ground floor commercial, since that area is in a 28 m height zone (post-bonus height). The new addition could blend with the Dennis building facade and would be about the same height.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2014, 8:35 PM
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My gut feeling is that because Halifax has such a reputation as a heritage-rich city, and such a noted heritage lobby, there's been a small but vocal counter-reaction from some folks who seem to think that old buildings are liabilities to progress. If the Dennis building were on Stephen Avenue in Calgary or Granville Street in Vancouver or Yonge Street in Toronto, I can scarcely imagine its survival would even be in question. It seems as if sometimes Halifax takes its heritage for granted, or there's an enough-is-enough attitude to heritage, which makes the loss of a building like the Dennis seem somehow palatable.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure it is "small", and here is why: for the longest time, there really were no new developments downtown at all. Think, 20 years and no cranes.

So, when some proposals for new developments finally did come around, the biggest most vocal opponents were the Heritage Lobby, that often fought each through litigation. This, I think, really polarized general public sentiment against the Heritage Lobby for a few reasons-- First, people resented the Heritage Lobby for obstructing the few proposals that actually were proposed over the last 20 years. When there is a serious dearth of development, and people see hope in a new project, Heritage opposing it, suggests they are acting against the economic hopes of the city. Which they were, arguably.

Second, their campaigns were not carried out through general persuasion or public information. They never tried to get the public onside, probably because they knew no one shares their NIMBYism nor their treating "view planes" as sacred and untouchable. Rather, like all lobby groups whose views are not shared by the majority, they took counter-majoritarian measures. They fought developments with lawyers and backroom lobbying-- HRM staff and Councillors.

I think the biggest failure of heritage preservation in this city has nothing to do with saving buildings. Much more important than any physical heritage article, is the active preservation of shared heritage and historical memory in the community. There is no point in saving a building if no one knows anything about its history or memory and thus why it ought to be kept around. The idiotic zealots in this city's Heritage Lobby have failed miserably on this count. We should have signs in every neighbourhood explaining that neighbourhood's history and evolution. We should have established official heritage walks, that are invested in, and beautified, by the city. We should have street signs with historical street names. We should have digital heritage maps, where people can go, and explore Halifax via Google Maps, with pinpoints for heritage highlights.

If you do a good job at this sort of thing, heritage preservation in architecture would go a lot more easily, because people would better appreciate the value to the community, including its identity and its evolution.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2014, 8:48 PM
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The Dennis Building is a very significant structure in that it's only the second high rise (in appearance) office building of this vintage in the city. The Dominion Public Building on Bedford Row is the other high rise pre 1967. The Dennis Building has granite cornices on the original structure and copper cornices on the addition. This building fits very nicely in the "financial district". This building is a New York style building (SOHO) and should be preserved at all cost.

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Old Posted Mar 16, 2014, 6:27 PM
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Ekistics has a bunch of new stuff on their website: http://www.ekistics.net/

One example:



They also mention a report for Cogswell set to be released in a month.
Weird. It looks like Ekistics has changed the image, so now the "City Centre" proposal image has turned into an advertise for.... Love Boat?

And is that a Cricket stadium on Halifax waterfront? Someone should tell them "CFL" does not stand for Cricket Futures League.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2014, 6:40 PM
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Here, again, is the Spring Garden/Grafton Street corner view of the great City Centre proposal on Ekistics:





Post-bonus height here is 28 metres, I believe. So, height is fine. Could even be higher.

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Old Posted Mar 16, 2014, 6:50 PM
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Weird. It looks like Ekistics has changed the image, so now the "City Centre" proposal image has turned into an advertise for.... Love Boat?

And is that a Cricket stadium on Halifax waterfront? Someone should tell them "CFL" does not stand for Cricket Futures League.
Doesn't appear to be a stadium as far as I can tell. Should also be noted that that image is for a site plan in Dar Es Salaam, not Halifax.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2014, 7:47 PM
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Doesn't appear to be a stadium as far as I can tell. Should also be noted that that image is for a site plan in Dar Es Salaam, not Halifax.
Yeah, I know. It's still amusing.
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2014, 3:57 PM
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Where is the harbour image from? I don't recognize it at all.
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2014, 10:00 PM
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Where is the harbour image from? I don't recognize it at all.
The one a couple of posts above? Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania.
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2014, 2:55 PM
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The Dennis Building is a very significant structure in that it's only the second high rise (in appearance) office building of this vintage in the city. The Dominion Public Building on Bedford Row is the other high rise pre 1967. The Dennis Building has granite cornices on the original structure and copper cornices on the addition. This building fits very nicely in the "financial district". This building is a New York style building (SOHO) and should be preserved at all cost.

Dennis google maps
https://www.google.ca/maps/@44.648231,-6...3m4!1e1!3m2!1s_Vwwm0ulv0m8M1DXHuhnPg!2e0

Dennis Bldg. - Photo by Empire


Dominion Public Building - Photo by Empire
I agree. It would be idiotic to demolish the Dennis Building. If it needs to be gutted to make it usable again, then you have to do what you have to do, but the basic building structure is significant and should be kept.

BTW, the Dominion bldg. is one of my favourite structures in Halifax - love that art deco style. Great photo, by the way!

Edit: Just noticed it's included in Doors Open Halifax for June 7-8 2014... might just have to check it out! http://doorsopenhalifax.com/venues-2014/

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Old Posted Mar 18, 2014, 3:19 PM
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I think the biggest failure of heritage preservation in this city has nothing to do with saving buildings. Much more important than any physical heritage article, is the active preservation of shared heritage and historical memory in the community. There is no point in saving a building if no one knows anything about its history or memory and thus why it ought to be kept around. The idiotic zealots in this city's Heritage Lobby have failed miserably on this count. We should have signs in every neighbourhood explaining that neighbourhood's history and evolution. We should have established official heritage walks, that are invested in, and beautified, by the city. We should have street signs with historical street names. We should have digital heritage maps, where people can go, and explore Halifax via Google Maps, with pinpoints for heritage highlights.

If you do a good job at this sort of thing, heritage preservation in architecture would go a lot more easily, because people would better appreciate the value to the community, including its identity and its evolution.
I agree with this. I would love to see more education for the general public on the history of Halifax's old structures. Many of them have fascinating stories behind them and getting these stories out there will transform them, in the eyes of the public, from being just old buildings to interesting and important Halifax landmarks.

One thing that is disappointing to me is that there is even a need for heritage lobby groups. IMHO, all 3 levels of government should have a clear directive to preserve prominent heritage properties - they should be leaders in that category not followers. It's sad that it has been left to a rinky-dink lobby group to be the driving force behind heritage preservation and I think it's time for change in that regard. I know some work has been done but it hasn't been enough - the fact that the Dennis building's future is still unclear is good evidence of this.
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2014, 4:32 PM
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One of the things we have out here in Calgary is a program whereby if a heritage building cannot be preserved it is photographed, documented and then a commemorative plaque is placed on the the site so people know what used to be there.
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2014, 6:31 PM
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One of the things we have out here in Calgary is a program whereby if a heritage building cannot be preserved it is photographed, documented and then a commemorative plaque is placed on the the site so people know what used to be there.
Better than nothing, but not by much. I mean, when is it really impossible to preserve a designated heritage building?
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I agree with this. I would love to see more education for the general public on the history of Halifax's old structures. Many of them have fascinating stories behind them and getting these stories out there will transform them, in the eyes of the public, from being just old buildings to interesting and important Halifax landmarks.

One thing that is disappointing to me is that there is even a need for heritage lobby groups. IMHO, all 3 levels of government should have a clear directive to preserve prominent heritage properties - they should be leaders in that category not followers. It's sad that it has been left to a rinky-dink lobby group to be the driving force behind heritage preservation and I think it's time for change in that regard. I know some work has been done but it hasn't been enough - the fact that the Dennis building's future is still unclear is good evidence of this.
Although HRM Council has been often filled with clowns, and led by clueless mayors-- the real culprit, on this count, is probably the Provincial Government. No matter who has been in office, Liberal or Tory, it's never shown any interest in investing in Halifax, nor really doing anything for the city, let alone preserve its heritage.

The single best thing that has happened to Halifax in the last century, in terms of downtown investment, beautification, and hertiage, was the G7 summit in 1995. And that was all federal government's money and doing.
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Ekistics has a bunch of new stuff on their website: http://www.ekistics.net/

One example:



They also mention a report for Cogswell set to be released in a month.
What and where is this???
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What and where is this???
Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. Ekistics' website has a bunch of wonky image links that don't go where they're supposed to.
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Here, again, is the Spring Garden/Grafton Street corner view of the great City Centre proposal on Ekistics:





Post-bonus height here is 28 metres, I believe. So, height is fine. Could even be higher.
Any word on this proposal?
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2014, 2:48 AM
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Any word on this proposal?
I haven't seen anything in the local media. As far as I know, the renderings on the Ekistics website have been the only evidence of this project. Hopefully it will be announced in the near future.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2014, 3:06 AM
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Any word on this proposal?
I'm going to assume this is going to be years away, it effects half dozen or so retail and residential tenants, Taz records, paper chase, red arrow digital, a few others. I think they'll be a lot of opposition to knock down the paper chase building for a ugly parking garage entrance when there is room beside it for one.
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