Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[xd_1771]

Originally Posted by finalcoolman

Your taking it out of context. The RT guideway is unable to accommodate anything but MK I cars. Bombardier is unable to make MK I cars anymore. In addition this move would eliminate the transfer required at Kennedy station. All in all I support the move to a homogenous subway extension.

The part in bold might not actually be true.... an expert who developed the offering with UTDC recently spoke on the matter in Toronto saying that it's possible with the cars being "built to order", and also published a whole report recommending the build-out of several SkyTrain technology lines. I featured this on my blog:

Toronto rapid transit review recommends SkyTrain expansion over LRT
Full Report HERE

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I had read somewhere - obviously misunderstanding it - that Canada Line platforms could be, $$$ provided, lengthened to accomodate three-car trains. This is apprently not so.
Off topic, escuse me.

All Canada Line stations which are not already built to have 50m platforms can be extended to allow running 3-car trains.

[Jebby]

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I had read somewhere - obviously misunderstanding it - that Canada Line platforms could be, $$$ provided, lengthened to accomodate three-car trains. This is apprently not so.
Off topic, escuse me.

Edit: Never mind I was wrong

[Zassk]

The "C" car that would be inserted in the middle would be a full-sized car, not a mini-car, but without propulsion. Since it is open at both ends, it would have equal capacity as each of the end cars. It would be a full 50% increase in capacity per train. The current trains are a bit less than 40 meters long so they don't use the full 40 m platform, and the three-car trains would use a little more than 50 meters (but all doors would fit within 50 m).

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by Zassk

The "C" car that would be inserted in the middle would be a full-sized car, not a mini-car, but without propulsion. Since it is open at both ends, it would have equal capacity as each of the end cars. It would be a full 50% increase in capacity per train. The current trains are a bit less than 40 meters long so they don't use the full 40 m platform, and the three-car trains would use a little more than 50 meters (but all doors would fit within 50 m).

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I always thought the C car had 50% of the regular car's capacity.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

Edit: Never mind I was wrong

Is there a list of which stations are 40m vs 50m? I ride the line a lot and every station seems to have extra room.

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Is there a list of which stations are 40m vs 50m? I ride the line a lot and every station seems to have extra room.

Just going off of memory, I think it's just Richmond-Brighouse and the downtown stations. Maybe Broadway too. I regularly only travel between 4 stations (Aberdeen-Langara) so I can't say for sure. But those ones definitely aren't 50m.

[Zassk]

I think the three tail stations and the two deep downtown stations are at 50 m, the rest are at 40 m with pre-built allowances for adding 10 m.

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by Zassk

I think the three tail stations and the two deep downtown stations are at 50 m, the rest are at 40 m with pre-built allowances for adding 10 m.

Broadway is also 50m

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by casper

An interesting observation is the Scarborough RT is one of the few such systems where for "safety reasons", "public perception" and political pressure from the union they operate the system using train operators.

train operator checks mirrors to make sure nobody is stuck in the doors, observes 'doors are closed' light and pushes a button to tell computer 'OK to Go'.

When was the last time you took an elevator with an elevator operator who did the same procedure?

Translink can get all the Scarborough RT parts & inventory quite cheap when they start to dismantle it and use these as spare parts &tc for the tracks maintenance and Mark I fleet maintenance.

They could also get the full Scarborough RT train fleet & put them through the same mid-life refurbishment that is being done to the current Skytrain Mark I cars. They will still be 30+ year-old cars with a facelift to keep them running for another 20 years, but it would be cheaper than buying all-new Mark III or Mark IV cars.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Jebby

Broadway is also 50m

Actually Broadway is only 40 meters now, Olympic Village is 50 though (Broadway and Bridgeport should have been opened at the full 50).

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Actually Broadway is only 40 meters now, Olympic Village is 50 though (Broadway and Bridgeport should have been opened at the full 50).

That's not what I've read.

Originally Posted by mr.x

STATIONS

Stations are proposed to be built in two stages: 16 stations will be built for the line's projected opening prior to the 2010 Winter Olympics, with up to three additional stations being added after the line opens. Stations platforms will range from 40 and 50 metres in length. Stations that are 40 metres are expandable to 50 metres. The proposed stations are listed below.

Vancouver
- Waterfront (connection to Expo and Millennium Lines, West Coast Express and SeaBus) - 50 metres
- Vancouver City Centre (Granville Street at Robson Street) - 50 metres
- Yaletown-Roundhouse (Davie Street near Mainland Street) - 40 metres
- Olympic Village (Vancouver 2010 Olympic Village, SouthEast False Creek, Granville Island) - 40 metres
- Broadway-City Hall (Cambie Street at West Broadway) - 50 metres
- King Edward (Cambie Street at King Edward Avenue) - 40 metres
- Oakridge-41st Avenue (Cambie Street at West 41st Avenue, next to Oakridge Centre) - 50 metres
- Langara-49th Avenue (Cambie Street at West 49th Avenue) - 40 metres
- Marine Drive (Cambie Street at Southwest Marine Drive) - 40 metres

Richmond
- Bridgeport (north of Bridgeport Road in Richmond; major transit exchange for suburban buses; new 1,000 car park and ride; link to Airport branch) - 40 metres
- Aberdeen (No. 3 Road at Cambie Road) - 40 metres
- Lansdowne (No. 3 Road at Lansdowne Road; 2-3 blocks away from the Richmond Olympic Oval speed skating venue) - 40 metres
- Richmond-Brighouse (No. 3 Road at Cook Road, adjacent to the Richmond Centre shopping mall) - 50 metres

Vancouver International Airport
- Templeton (to be located north of Grant McConachie Way, near Templeton Street) - 40 metres
- Sea Island Centre (to be located on Grant McConachie Way, near the Air Canada service centre) - 40 metres
- YVR-Airport Terminal (adjacent to the main terminal of Vancouver International Airport) - 50 metres

[Zassk]

^^ Regardless of that quote from before construction, it is pretty obvious that Oakridge-41 is only 40 m. Like the other stations near it, you can see where the roughed-in 10 m extension has been enclosed with cinderblocks. I think Broadway is the same as Oakridge.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by Zassk

^^ Regardless of that quote from before construction, it is pretty obvious that Oakridge-41 is only 40 m. Like the other stations near it, you can see where the roughed-in 10 m extension has been enclosed with cinderblocks. I think Broadway is the same as Oakridge.

and when you remove the false wall?
*presto* you now have a 50 M long platform.

Its cheaper to tear down a false wall in a few decades than doing more cut & cover to add 10 M or so to an existing station.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Jebby

Compare the bulk (strength, earthquake resistance) of that "modern" offset support with the old Expo Line one east of Main Street.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by finalcoolman

Your taking it out of context. The RT guideway is unable to accommodate anything but MK I cars. Bombardier is unable to make MK I cars anymore. In addition this move would eliminate the transfer required at Kennedy station. All in all I support the move to a homogenous subway extension.

The "homogenous subway" in Toronto doesn't exist if you include the new Eglinton, Sheppard and Finch Crosstown LRT systems that are being built right now (and Eglinton has 10 KMs of tunnels).

Its cheaper to rebuild the deficient portions of Scarborough RT and connect it to the new Eglinton LRT instead of building a completely new subway extension (with less than half of the stations as RT has right now). Kennedy would still be the interchange station between LRT and Subway, as it has been since it opened.

[nname]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

Its cheaper to rebuild the deficient portions of Scarborough RT and connect it to the new Eglinton LRT instead of building a completely new subway extension (with less than half of the stations as RT has right now). Kennedy would still be the interchange station between LRT and Subway, as it has been since it opened.

In the LRT plan, the tracks are physically connected, but the lines will operate independently as Eglinton and Scarborough, as there is concern that the at-grade portion of Eglinton line will make the Scarborough section unreliable and reduce its capacity.

And.. this is going way off topic...

[jsbertram]

so....

Hows the new Evergreen Tunnel progressing?

[giallo]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Actually Broadway is only 40 meters now, Olympic Village is 50 though (Broadway and Bridgeport should have been opened at the full 50).

Welcome back, Metro!