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Old Posted Mar 28, 2014, 1:53 PM
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Give me one of our plethora of independent sub shops before any of them. Atlantic, queen, glow, mikes, buddies, Andy's, etc.

I know we don't want our downtown core filled with fast food and of course independent restaurants are preferable and are probably better for the local economy but I think that when larger franchises start filling up spaces it will be a good sign. It will happen before we get big name retail. It's also a guarantee to succeed in my opinion and can co-exist with the local businesses. I also think that it will make downtown more attractive to some when looking at new residential condo units. Again this is all opinion.
Agreed. The key is getting businesses to invest in the core. Franchisee's and indie's welcome. A nice mix is great.
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Agreed. The key is getting businesses to invest in the core. Franchisee's and indie's welcome. A nice mix is great.
Be careful what you wish for, guys. When Queen St West in Toronto grew rapidly as a destination and a success, landlords jacked up the rents. Many indies left the neighbourhood, and GAP and other big brands moved in.

Hopefully this won't happen in the Hamilton core, as the long-awaited revitalization finally gains traction.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2014, 2:03 PM
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The average person does not want to take a risk on something different, they like a familiar choice. So it's not a bad thing at all to have some chains downtown. For many people, this is welcoming. As long as there is still room for those who like something different.

At the moment, Hamilton has tons of room for both chains and independent stuff.
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A lot of Ottawa does seem to be franchise city. It's rather boring and unurban feeling. A few is good, but too many franchises definitely ruin the local identity.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2014, 3:41 PM
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Interesting. It’s separated from Westdale by a highway, so I’ve never thought about it that way. I would have always considered everything Dundurn and east to be, if not downtown technically, “the core of Hamilton.”
I'm not sure where the boundaries are, but I figure once you're east of Queen, you're downtown since it's as close to James as Wellington is on the east side. Westdale has a pretty good geographic separation from the downtown in the form of the valley/ Hwy 403. So what's the gap between Downtown and Westdale? West End. Really, it's even on some maps.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2014, 8:12 PM
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Subway is so popular in Hamilton, and such an obvious benefactor to the city's well- being. I think we should encourage them to seek naming rights to a city structure of some type.

Maybe the High Level Bridge with Southwest Sauce.
The B-Line Subway.


I too agree that the investment is the key right now. Adding to the pedestrian street traffic is important, even if it's a chain store that does so. It then gives more exposure to the independent shops and while people do like familiar things, some will venture to try something different.
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Wouldnt it be nice if Tim Hortons near Hess would close and give Hess Village a hope for day time coffee shops and other more positive filler in its village?
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2014, 1:59 PM
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I don't think one tim hortons is barring anything. Most neighbourhoods which have coffee shops have several, and the people who go to a local cafe aren't typically the same crowd who run into 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 tims for a coffee.
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Gas bar canopy under consideration for heritage designation
(Hamilton Spectator, Stacey Escott, Mar 31 2014)

An unlikely Hamilton landmark is vying for a spot on a heritage designation list.

The Canadian Tire Corporation made a submission in September to designate the canopy of the gas bar at the 304 Main St. E. store under the Ontario Heritage Act. The canopy was built in the 1970s.



Read it in full here.
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I don't think one tim hortons is barring anything. Most neighbourhoods which have coffee shops have several, and the people who go to a local cafe aren't typically the same crowd who run into 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 tims for a coffee.
Agreed. Tim Horton's isn't holding back from more positive filler in Hess Village. The conscious decision to market Hess Village as party central about two decades ago is the reason why it has been pigeon-holed as not much more than a place to go get crazy drunk on a Friday night, and have all the fun stuff that goes along with that. Back in the day, Hess Village had art galleries, fine dining and interesting boutiques. You could play chess at tables along George Street and take in quality live performances by local talent. That is the kind of market that a daytime cafe would gravitate to, not what it has turned into - a very pale imitation of Toronto's entertainment district.

Thankfully, I am not the only middle-aged crotchety fellow that laments the loss of what Hess Village once was.
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2014, 9:46 PM
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... Back in the day, Hess Village had art galleries, fine dining and interesting boutiques. You could play chess at tables along George Street and take in quality live performances by local talent. That is the kind of market that a daytime cafe would gravitate to, not what it has turned into - a very pale imitation of Toronto's entertainment district...
So how do cities "take back" these zones? Is it too late?

I have no experience with Hess-at-Night. Too old for drunk nights. But we often drop in to Tavern on George (formerly Urban Tavern), typically early in the evening after work.

The place changed hands again, back in December 2013. It's great spot on George Street, with a good chef and a very hospitable manager. I really hope it survives.
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I think Hamilton has enough other areas that could use revitalisation. Hess Village is at least preforming well at what it does. Lots of patchy streets that could use investment first. Not saying I'm happy with it long term, but it's not Hamilton's worst issue.
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I would think market forces might cause future changes on Hess before the city ever decided to do anything (not sure what they really can do now anyway - the genie got out and was permitted to remake the bottle). So perhaps growth of the area and demand for other types of establishments will eventually bring it back around.

I don't go there often, but I disliked the changes I saw last time I visited - seeing the renos done to the Gown & Gavel was a bit of a shocker.

I guess there's hope Augusta St. won't follow the same template.
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New development planned across from Hamilton's James N. GO

By Samantha Craggs, CBC News


Marie Robbins imagines it this way:


You get off the GO train at the new James North station and cross the street, and you grab a coffee at a cute little coffee shop. Or you hop in a car you’re borrowing through an auto-share program. Or maybe, if you’re a commuter who owns one of the condos there, you just go home.


That’s the plan for one of the first developments in the works to take advantage of the new GO station at 353 James St. N. planned for 2015.


Robbins and her husband Doug, long-time business owners and James North boosters, are in the beginning stages of a multi-million-dollar development at the corner of Stuart and MacNab, right across from the new $44-million GO station.


It’s an area of Hamilton that hasn’t always gotten a lot of love, but the GO station is poised to change all that, said Glen Norton, the city’s manager of downtown urban renewal.


“It will definitely be a catalyst,” he said.


The Robbins development isn’t a direct result of the GO station, said Marie Robbins. They got the idea when they saw nearby Witton Lofts on Murray Street — another development that merges new design with a historic building.


Doug owns the mergers and acquisitions company Robbinex, and its offices are located in 41 Stuart St., the former Dorion Vinegar Works building that dates back to at least the 1850s.


He and Marie are in the preliminary stages of a development that would include offices in the old building, along with a rooftop garden. It would be merged with an atrium and roughly six-storey building that includes indoor parking, condos and commercial space.


They’ve had numerous meetings with city officials, hammering out issues such as height and what surveys have to be completed, said Marie, who registered Monday to run for council for Ward 9.


When that’s complete, she said, they’ll hire an architect.


“As much as we’re so excited and have so many ideas, we are at the preliminary stages.”

Doug and Marie Robbins were early boosters of James North. Doug was the founding chair of the now-defunct Jamesville Business Improvement Area, which collapsed in the early 1990s. Marie, the former owner of a chain of flower shops from Stoney Creek to Brantford, was the founding treasurer.


The James North area, she said, “has grown and changed and become so dynamic.”


Marie estimates it’ll be about three years before the project is completed.


The city is studying the future impact of the GO station on the James North area, and looking at how it can spur related growth, Norton said.


It’s hard to say if any recent projects have been inspired by the GO station, he said. But he expects some will in the future.


“Certainly people are not blind to the opportunities that a GO station creates,” he said.


Hamilton already has a GO station on Hunter Street. The new station will bring two or more commuter trains in and out of Hamilton per day, and have an attached parking complex for 300 vehicles.


Stage one of the project is scheduled to be completed by the July 2015 Pan Am Games.




http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/n...oss-from-hamilton-s-james-n-go-1.2593417
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...I guess there's hope Augusta St. won't follow the same template.
Not sure what you mean by the "same template". The drunk-template? Augusta bar owners have a minimum age entry barrier, which is older than 19. It's enforced on weekends. Keeps the drunken louts on Hess.
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Not sure what you mean by the "same template". The drunk-template? Augusta bar owners have a minimum age entry barrier, which is older than 19. It's enforced on weekends. Keeps the drunken louts on Hess.
I meant changing pubs into night clubs, and creating the same kind of party atmosphere that attracts the size of crowds Hess does.

While I've got nothing against clubs (though they're not my thing any more) and places that get lively on weekends, I think the problem with Hess is scale - it has gotten too big and things too easily get out of hand because of that. If it had stayed more modest and kept more of the range of bars/restaurants it used to have, we wouldn't be hearing about the problems we do, at least not on a regular basis. There would still be drunken people about but maybe fewer brawls and criminal acts.

I'd hate to see Augusta turn into a similar environment.
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I meant changing pubs into night clubs, and creating the same kind of party atmosphere that attracts the kind of crowds Hess does. ........I'd hate to see Augusta turn into a similar environment.
Got it. I don't think that will be the fate of Augusta. I don't see a changeover from pubs to clubs. The cluster of pubs east from James is doing well. The late-nite crowd is certainly younger than the early evening crowd, but it all seems to work out ok.

Owners are very proactive on maintaining decorum. Augusta is also a residential neighbourhood and there is nothing worse for a bar owner than making enemies of residents.
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I don't think it will either. But 20 years ago I never would have imagined what Hess would become.

I'd love to see change on Augusta. But change that involves infill on those lots - mix in some more residential and small businesses.
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...I'd love to see change on Augusta. But change that involves infill on those lots - mix in some more residential and small businesses.
There's some infill/townhouse development going on, but it's a little east of the pub zone. Young and John (I think). There are pics on SSP in another forum.
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There are soooooo many lots around that area it's obscene. It'd be a great spot for some midrise rental apartments and townhome infil. Already too many highrises there so I can't see more popping up. It'd be nice to get some more restaurant and retail down Augusta.
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