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Old Posted Mar 25, 2014, 4:20 PM
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Builder: six-week stadium delay "worst case scenario"
Drew Edwards scratchingpost.thespec.com 03/25/2014

The Spec's Matt Van Dongen is at the Pan Am subcommittee meeting at city hall this morning where representatives from the ONSS (the builders) and Infrastructure Ontario gave an update on the status of the stadium.

Here are a few of Matt's tweets from @Mattatthespec:

- Stadium builder rep Greg Stack says six week delay "worst case scenario," still aiming to be done in time for Tiger-Cats first home game
- Turning stadium over in stages to city, Ticats is one option to speed things up, allow team to prepare
- Technically possible to hold game before stadium is 100% finished, but fire dept, bld dept would have to sign off
- Not a lot of questions thrown at IO, stadium builders. they say a better completion update will come in mid-late April.

There's also a story in today's Guelph Mercury which says the Ticats haven't contacted the University of Guelph about playing games at Alumni Stadium if Tim Hortons Field isn't completed on time.

So, as I suggested last week, the six-week delay is a worst case scenario and the builder and the Ticats are still hoping the stadium will be ready for the home opener on July 26. As for the double-secret Plan B, I believe the most likely scenario sees the Cats play a game or two at McMaster if the stadium isn't ready.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2014, 5:32 PM
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Edmonton wishes they were still at 40k.
No Edmonton doesn't. I find it amusing how people not from here repeat the opinion that Commonwealth is too big, while Edmontonians understand and appreciate that it's large capacity has been directly responsible for bringing many events and massive concerts throughout it's history, and will continue to do so into the future.

Elly63, I'm curious: where do you live?
     
     
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No Edmonton doesn't. I find it amusing how people not from here repeat the opinion that Commonwealth is too big, while Edmontonians understand and appreciate that it's large capacity has been directly responsible for bringing many events and massive concerts throughout it's history, and will continue to do so into the future.

Elly63, I'm curious: where do you live?
How many concerts did it have last year?
     
     
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No Edmonton doesn't. I find it amusing how people not from here repeat the opinion that Commonwealth is too big, while Edmontonians understand and appreciate that it's large capacity has been directly responsible for bringing many events and massive concerts throughout it's history, and will continue to do so into the future.

Elly63, I'm curious: where do you live?
Edmonton has had more or less the same assortment of one-off special events that most other western cities have had in their stadiums. Universiade would have been fine in a 45,000 seat stadium. Maybe only the IAAF thing in 2001 was directly attributable to having a 60,000 seat stadium.

The rest of the events typically held there (Rolling Stones and U2 concerts, soccer matches, Grey Cups, etc.) have also been done at smaller venues like Mosaic, CanadInns and McMahon Stadiums.

Even if Edmonton has had a few more of those sorts of events as a result, I doubt that the Eskimos wouldn't turn CW into a 40,000 seat venue if they could. There hasn't been any ticket scarcity for Eskimos games since about 1983.
     
     
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Edmonton has had more or less the same assortment of one-off special events that most other western cities have had in their stadiums. Universiade would have been fine in a 45,000 seat stadium. Maybe only the IAAF thing in 2001 was directly attributable to having a 60,000 seat stadium.

The rest of the events typically held there (Rolling Stones and U2 concerts, soccer matches, Grey Cups, etc.) have also been done at smaller venues like Mosaic, CanadInns and McMahon Stadiums.

Even if Edmonton has had a few more of those sorts of events as a result, I doubt that the Eskimos wouldn't turn CW into a 40,000 seat venue if they could. There hasn't been any ticket scarcity for Eskimos games since about 1983.
mid 2000's there was usually one game a year in the 60,000's and two or three in the 50,000's. A few of those years the overall crowd averages would have been around 45,000. It's almost criminal what has happened to this franchise since Hugh Campbell's retirement.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2014, 6:38 PM
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No Edmonton doesn't. I find it amusing how people not from here repeat the opinion that Commonwealth is too big, while Edmontonians understand and appreciate that it's large capacity has been directly responsible for bringing many events and massive concerts throughout it's history, and will continue to do so into the future.
Perhaps I phrased that wrong and said Edmonton instead of the Eskimos and my source for that IIRC was Len Rhodes. So I'll gladly admit I was wrong if you can tell me how many events last year attracted over 50k spectators, and is that worth all the empty seats the primary tenant has to deal with.

Here is the Eskimos attendance. I believe capacity is now around 56k. So since 2000 they've been looking at 20k empty seats per game and that is to accommodate a large international event every half decade or so?

     
     
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Here is the Eskimos attendance. I believe capacity is now around 56k. So since 2000 they've been looking at 20k empty seats per game and that is to accommodate a large international event every half decade or so?
For what it's worth, if I were an Edmontonian I would enjoy having Commonwealth because it's so big, imposing and, in that 70s kind of way, symmetrically beautiful. It really is an awesome civic amenity even if events that use it to its full potential are few and far between.

I have a feeling that the stadium's defenders are looking at it through that lens... the Eskimos look at it a bit more narrowly, in terms of dollars and cents as opposed to civic pride.
     
     
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I have a feeling that the stadium's defenders are looking at it through that lens... the Eskimos look at it a bit more narrowly, in terms of dollars and cents as opposed to civic pride.
Yup, it's a great facility, well maintained and updated, but 20k too big for all but the biggest events.
     
     
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So Bills owner Ralph Wilson has passed away

Let the speculation commence
     
     
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So Bills owner Ralph Wilson has passed away

Let the speculation commence
Yikes, and this is at the lowest point of MLSE's NFL campaign, I'm sure they thought they had some time to rebound, well the poop will hit the fan now.

I'm pretty sure Bob Hunter would have been prepared for this, don't be surprised if they reveal a new stadium render when the timing doesn't seem like they are being vultures.
     
     
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Perhaps I phrased that wrong and said Edmonton instead of the Eskimos and my source for that IIRC was Len Rhodes. So I'll gladly admit I was wrong if you can tell me how many events last year attracted over 50k spectators, and is that worth all the empty seats the primary tenant has to deal with.

Here is the Eskimos attendance. I believe capacity is now around 56k. So since 2000 they've been looking at 20k empty seats per game and that is to accommodate a large international event every half decade or so?

What are the other alternatives? Playing in a shit hole like Canad Inns, Ivor Wynnes, Mcmahon, Regina, or playing in an even more cavernous stadium like BC Place and Skydome, or having to move or fold like montreal/Ottawa?

Over the last 30 years I would imagine that every CFL team would have gladly traded their problems for Edmonton's situation. Is it ideal, not always....but shit...there is no doubt this stadium is one of the reasons why Edmonton is the most stable franchise in the league.

Plus it's way to big for MLS. So Edmonton doesn't have to worry about a bunch of greasy soccer fans for a long time.
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Ralph Wilson was certainly an interesting character. RIP
     
     
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I was at Ralph Wilson stadium a couple years ago for a patriots game. Nice stadium. Kinda reminded me of Commonwealth.

RIP Ralphy boy.
     
     
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Plus it's way to big for MLS. So Edmonton doesn't have to worry about a bunch of greasy soccer fans for a long time.
I take offence at that.
     
     
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http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/20...ct-have-few-options-winter-when-olympic-

Montreal Impact admit few options in winter when Olympic Stadium can't be used

The Montreal Olympic Stadium roof falls – sometimes literally – under provincial jurisdiction. And it just so happens that Quebecers are electing a provincial government on April 7.

In a conversation with MLSsoccer.com on Tuesday, Montreal Impact executive vice president Richard Legendre conceded that the roof, which got the Impact’s Saturday home opener postponed due to forecasts exceeding its revised threshold of 3 cm (about 1 inch) of snowfall, will not be a factor in this campaign. But he warns that the next government must tackle this pressing matter early in its term.

“What we can change are the six months when there’s no use made of [the stadium],” Legendre told MLSsoccer.com via phone. “And I strongly believe that with a somewhat revamped stadium we could use 12 months a year, we could be surprised by the number of events that would take place there. We'll never be able to self-finance the additional costs, but there'd be more revenue.”

To the taxpayers, however, this remains a sensitive issue, as they have poured so much money into the Big O that calls to tear the stadium down are still heard today.

“It cost a lot of money, but the population would be much happier with its stadium if we could use it a lot, 12 months a year,” Legendre said.

The Impact moved in that direction in January 2009, when they suggested hosting the home leg of their CONCACAF Champions League quarterfinals at the Big O, where events could only be held from early April to late November since the partial collapse of the stadium’s newly installed permanent roof due to snow accumulation in January 1999.

The club negotiated a change in protocol, which until this month remained the same: If it snowed, the game would be postponed.

“People didn’t believe us when we told them we had no Plan B,” Legendre recalled. “It was true. The only Plan B – which in my humble opinion wasn’t really one – was playing in Toronto. For real.”

To this day, some Impact fans argue that Plan B should be playing at Stade Saputo anyhow, but Legendre dismissed the idea. Under-soil heating is currently off the table, and Legendre maintains that the club keeps looking into solutions mainly to ensure the Impact can start playing at their outdoor venue from April on.

But if the frozen grass poses one problem, the snowy stands pose an altogether different one.

“We’re also looking into solutions for the stands, and it’s not just about comfort,” Legendre said. “People say they’ll dress warmly and go anyway, and that's fine, but in March, it’s a matter of safety, and the impact of cold weather on the seats [such as breaks and cracks] is a factor as well.”
     
     
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Still hope for a bare-bones stadium opening on time
Matthew Van Dongen thespec.com March 25, 2014

Builders aim to open Hamilton's new stadium in time for the Tiger-Cats' first home game — with or without working beer taps.

Council received a letter last week from Ontario Sports Solutions, the consortium building the stadium, warning of construction delays of up to six weeks due to the December ice storm, ongoing frigid weather and the loss of a major masonry subcontractor to bankruptcy.

Site supervisor Garreth Barkey told a city subcommittee Tuesday the consortium is still aiming to have the $145-million stadium finished before the Ticats' scheduled season opener July 26.

But the construction team is also in talks with the city's fire and building departments about opening the stadium before all construction is finished. This would essentially involve "cordoning off" unfinished areas that aren't needed to play football.

"It's something we're looking at," Barkey said, adding any work affecting public safety would need to be done.

City public works head Gerry Davis said interior office space and even concession stands, for example, wouldn't necessarily need to be done come game day.

"You could bring in temporary food stands for hotdogs, or if the draft (beer) lines were not working, maybe you serve (out of) cans," he said.

Davis emphasized fire and building officials would have to be satisfied the building is safe for public use. "There could be no major deficiencies," he said.

Ticats president Glenn Gibson said though the team has a confidential backup plan in case of a six-week delay, he still expects the stadium will be done before July 26.

Gibson noted the builder is working to give the Ticats early access to allow the team to fix up change rooms and install signs, a scoreboard and furniture before game day.

"We're going to be working very closely with them," he said. "If we can reclaim even two weeks (of the projected delay) we'll be playing there on the 26th."

Three dedicated Cats fans who showed up at the committee meeting Tuesday said they were heartened by the commitment from the builders and team.

"We wanted to hear directly from (the builders) how bad it actually is," said Claudio Raposo, who has been photographing the construction as it progresses. "I'm glad six weeks is a worst-case scenario … It sounds like they can still get it done in time."

More than 280 workers are now routinely on site daily, said Barkey, and double shifts and six-day work weeks are now the norm as the contractor plays catch-up.

The builder refused to guess at a revised completion date Tuesday, but promised a new estimate by mid- to late April.
     
     
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they might cancel the Blue Jays game. lol snow on the menu.
     
     
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I can't imagine who else that would have been intended before besides Calgary... the scale of the stadium screams CFL, and the mountains in the background suggest Calgary. If you look at the second photo provided on that website, there are even small photos of Stampeders mounted on the stadium walls.
The design was for a proposed Saskatoon CFL expansion team

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/03/26/designs-surfaced-in-2010-for-unknown-client

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Mark Hentze, a CEI partner, confirmed the renderings have nothing to do with Calgary, but the since-discarded project that someone decided to dig up, purportedly as part of the Canadian Soccer Association’s 2026 World Cup bid, did have something to do with the Canadian Football League.

“There was a city in western Canada that was exploring the opportunity to build a stadium and potentially have a CFL expansion franchise in it,” Hentze said, adding it’s not the first time he’s seen designs show up in unexpected places.

“We had previously done work on their hockey arena, which was a Major Junior hockey team and had been looking at potential ways that arena could be a temporary home for an NHL team should an NHL team run into financial challenges. At the same time, the group that operates that arena were looking at an initiative to explore building a stadium that would house a CFL football team.”
     
     
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The design was for a proposed Saskatoon CFL expansion team

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/03/26/designs-surfaced-in-2010-for-unknown-client
Huh. I figured it was a concept for the Argos stadium at York University.
     
     
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The design was for a proposed Saskatoon CFL expansion team

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/03/26/designs-surfaced-in-2010-for-unknown-client
Yes

Deep down Saskatoon does have a yearning to have their own CFL team. There have been quiet talks and rumors every few years about a stadium and a potential team.

I would say realistically it will take a major company or individual to step forward and build a stadium for this to happen.
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