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Old Posted Jun 15, 2013, 3:37 AM
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Allow 18-storey condo building overlooking Parkdale Market, city’s planners say

By David Reevely, OTTAWA CITIZEN June 14, 2013

OTTAWA — The city’s planners recommend allowing an 18-storey condo building to be constructed overlooking the Parkdale Market, over the objections of Coun. Katherine Hobbs.

The city sent a copy of the planners’ report to nearby residents Friday afternoon.

The “Attika” building now proposed by Tega Homes for 233 Armstrong Rd. is a lot shorter than the 36-storey tower the company once said it needed to build if it was going to be able to afford to clean up contamination from an old Honeywell plant on the property, a former industrial area now quickly gentrifying. The proposed building would be in an “L” shape with a five-storey podium underneath taller towers, with retail and a craft brewery on the ground floor.

At 64 metres, the building would be more than double the height allowed in a community design plan city council approved only in 2011, but the city’s planning department says the overall density — the 239 units the building would hold — is the same as in the neighbourhood plan, just arranged differently, and the uniqueness of the location near the neighbourhood market justifies approving it.

Hobbs, who has generally supported rezonings in her ward, but not when they conflict with neighbourhood plans, doesn’t agree.

“I take Community Design Plans seriously and in my view the only way I can consider an application that does not conform to the CDP would be if there were a significant community benefit with full community buy-in,” Hobbs wrote in comments attached to the report.

The proposal is to be voted on by city council’s planning committee June 25. Tega has a case open before the Ontario Municipal Board, arguing for zoning that would let it build the original 36-storey building, but the city expects that case to be dropped if councillors approve the smaller one.

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No matter how hard I try, I just cannot bring myself to like this building. The design just goes from bad to bad (not getting worse, but not getting better either).

The current proposed tower seems far bulkier than required for the location. It should either be a well-designed taller point tower, or divided into two shorter towers.
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I preferred the January to the May proposal (page 30 or 33 depending on how you read it). The May proposal reminds me of Lebreton Flats in a very bad way. But was there another evolution after, because the proposal from the last few pages is different (and a bit better IMO) than the May one?
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2013, 4:52 PM
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I would be surprised if Tega is the builder that moves forward on this project. Teheir Rhombus project doesn't seem to be selling all that well, and Attika is essentially in the same neighbourhood.

I do think there is a need to revamp his part of Parkdale, but like a recent previous poster, I'm not a big fan of the latest rendering, nor am I a fan of the final product Tega has produced to date.
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Joanne Chianello: City’s own rules for Hintonburg count for little at City Hall

Planning staff ignores own plan and own lawyer to OK 18-storey tower in eight-story zone

BY JOANNE CHIANELLO, OTTAWA CITIZEN JUNE 21, 2013

OTTAWA — We’ve become used to the steady stream of applications for taller-than-zoned-for buildings that pour through city council’s planning committee. And we’re used to councillors putting their stamp of approval on most of those requests.

But if a proposal for an 18-storey building in Hintonburg is approved next Tuesday, it will signal a new low in the city’s failure to enforce its own planning policies, or at least a reasonable facsimile of those policies. The sorry context here is a bungled process that saw planning staff and elected officials abdicate their responsibilities.

The file in question is developer Tega’s controversial proposal for an L-shaped complex just north of the Parkdale farmers’ market. Tega’s first pitch a couple years back was for the Hintonburg giant to soar a whopping 36 storeys, so in comparison, 18 storeys (over just part of that L-shape) is undoubtedly an improvement.

Still, 18 is more than double the eight storeys called for under the Community Design Plan, a council-approved planning blueprint for the neighbourhood. And this is not just any CDP, but the Wellington West version — the result of a four-year process that’s often held up as a model for other CDPs.

Yet the developers’ ask for 18 storeys isn’t the most alarming part of the story. Not by a long shot.

What’s mind-boggling is what transpired back in February, when the city’s head planning lawyer, Tim Marc, wrote a legal memo to planning committee chair Coun. Peter Hume.

Marc informed Hume that it was unlikely the eight-storey height limit in the CDP would hold up under appeal to the Ontario Municipal Board. (And indeed, Tega has appealed to the OMB over this specific site.) But Marc also wrote that, “taking into account the policies as a whole,” he found it “difficult ... to conclude that an 18-storey building would be upheld by the Ontario Municipal Board.”

And then, remarkably, Marc also wrote how, considering the sometimes contradictory planning factors in this city, “it would not, in my opinion, lead to a conclusion that 18 storeys is appropriate.” And finally: “a highrise building at the lowest end of the that range may be appropriate.”

Now, in Ottawa, for planning purposes, “high rise” starts at 10 storeys. So given Marc’s very clearly stated legal opinion — that eight is too low, but 18 is too high — wouldn’t the obvious solution be to negotiate with Tega for 11, 12, even 13 storeys?

But no. Instead, the city’s planning department is recommending Tega’s proposal for 18 storeys.

The city’s manager for urban planning, John Smit, points out that his department’s recommendation is based on good planning principles, not necessarily legal opinions.

Fine. The city’s planners are trained professionals and we pay them for their skills.

But shouldn’t they also be taking into account the planning principles that went into the CDP? After all, it was a multi-year planning project that included the city’s own professional planners.

Or, if CDP isn’t going to fly at the OMB, why isn’t it incumbent upon the planning department to insist, at least, on an outcome that’s as close as possible to what’s called for in the CDP?

So much for the planners. But where were the politicians on this?

They mostly washed their hands of the entire matter.

The local councillor, Katherine Hobbs, has said she’s against the proposal because it doesn’t conform to the CDP. But neither is she about to lobby her council colleagues to vote against the project. Tellingly, when Marc sent his legal opinion, Hobbs left it to Hume to deal both with the implications — and with the local community association.

Hume mishandled the situation, but at least he has the good grace to frankly admit his error.

The planning chair shared Marc’s legal opinion with the Hintonburg Community Association and — this part is truly astounding — Hume asked the members if they wanted to negotiate the building height with Tega on their own.

The association understandably took a pass on that eyebrow-raising prospect. They naturally want the city to enforce the eight storeys called for in the CDP. In any case, even though community associations usually want to be consulted during local project talks, it is hardly the volunteers’ job to unilaterally negotiate building heights with developers.

Now, it’s true that the community association still would have been upset with any height over eight storeys. “The CDP says eight storeys is the right height,” says HCA president Jeff Leiper.

Even though Tega is appealing, Leiper says he expects the city to defend the CDP, which, after all, both Ottawa’s professional planners and council approved.

He argues that if city officials believed that eight storeys was legally indefensible for that site — which seems to be what Marc is now suggesting — that limit shouldn’t have been approved in the first place.

But it was. That’s why some Hintonburgers would have been fuming mad if Hume, or the planning department, or whomever, negotiated anything higher than eight storeys, so politicians did nothing.

So what? Doesn’t the city have responsibility to push for an outcome as close to the approved policy as possible?

“In hindsight, yes, absolutely,” says Hume. “The HCA is very politically savvy and they have taken the city behind the woodshed a couple of times, and that weighed far too heavily in our thinking. ... I should have turned around and said, ‘Let’s get this deal done. I’ll take the political hit for this.’”

Are we to believe that politicians felt so threatened by the community association that they failed in their obligation to follow the city’s planning policies — and certainly the spirit of them? And what’s the planning department’s rationale for doing the same thing?

Ignoring the advice of the lawyer who works for them was bad enough, but forgetting who they work for was worse.

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Old Posted Jun 25, 2013, 9:42 PM
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Tega’s Hintonburg condo plans shot down by committee

City councillors took the unusual step of rejecting a developers’ proposal for a high-rise residential building on Tuesday, voting to turn down a request from developer Tega Homes.

The local homebuilder wanted the land at the Hintonburg property, located close to the corner of Parkdale Avenue and Armstrong Street, just north of Wellington Street West near the Parkdale Market, rezoned for an 18-storey high-rise.

However councillors on the city’s planning committee, which is responsible for deciding which buildings can go where in the city, voted to turn down the request.

Tuesday’s vote is a sign to developers that councillors are unwilling to bend on the city’s community design plans, which are agreements that decide where tall buildings should go in specific neighbourhoods across the city.

They are designed to give clarity to community associations, the city and developers so that everyone knows in advance what is and isn’t permissible in a neighbourhood.

The Wellington West CDP, approved for the Hintonburg area in recent years, only allowed for eight storeys to be built at the site.

The decision means the matter is likely headed to the Ontario Municipal Board, the provincial body that has the power to overturn city planning decisions.

The chair of the committee, Coun. Peter Hume, voted against Tega’s proposal because he said it would be best if the OMB were to provide clarity on the matter – even though staff said that would cost around $50,000 in legal fees. Tega has already filed an appeal with the body.

Members of the community met the proposed development with significant opposition.

Residents of the area put significant time and effort into developing the CDP, said Jeff Leiper, the president of the Hintonburg Community Association.

“We’re asking you to draw the line today,” said Mr. Leiper, speaking to the committee. “Either CDPs are important documents … or expensive public relations failures.”

Representatives of Tega countered that the proposed building, which had a base of eight storeys and surrounding towers that went higher, fit in nicely with the neighbourhood.

Lloyd Phillips, the firm’s planning consultant, said they tried a number of designs that weren’t as tall but none of them looked very good.

“They all ended up looking like short fat buildings – dumpy buildings,” said Mr. Phillips.

Councillors’ voted six to two to support a motion, which area Coun. Katherine Hobbs introduced, to reject the request for rezoning from Tega.

It was unexpected, given that the planning committee approves the vast majority of developers’ requests.

The proposal was also, on its face, the sort of development of which the city wants to see more. Councillors have policies of intensification on the books, and this would have seen more people living on a given piece of land close to the city centre.

The issue stemmed from the fact that the city received the original request from Tega in 2011 – before the CDP was approved. That meant that the city had to follow the rules that were on the books at the time, staff told councillors.

That’s why city staff recommended councillors approve the rezoning.

Many of those on the planning committee felt uncomfortable simply ignoring the CDP that they had so recently approved. Coun. Shad Qadri, who is currently working on a similar plan for part of his ward in Stittsville, said he wouldn’t want that agreement to be turned down.

Coun. Stephen Blais didn’t want to lose lands in his ward currently zoned for employment.

“We need to demonstrate that we’re willing to stand up for the things that we supported,” said Mr. Blais.

The motion will now go to a full meeting of city council for final approval.

The request was the second councillors rejected on Tuesday. A motion to rezone a part of Meadowglen Drive in Orleans also failed to garner enough votes to pass.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2013, 11:00 PM
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"The decision means the matter is likely headed to the Ontario Municipal Board, the provincial body that has the power to overturn city planning decisions.

The chair of the committee, Coun. Peter Hume, voted against Tega’s proposal because he said it would be best if the OMB were to provide clarity on the matter – even though staff said that would cost around $50,000 in legal fees. Tega has already filed an appeal with the body."

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So, the City is letting the OMB do work it should be doing? Is that what I'm reading here? Not surprising; that way councillors can point to an unelected body and blame them for approving unpopular projects rather, thereby dodging responsibility ("They did it, not us!").
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Planning committee turns down Parkdale tower, east-side townhouse complex

By David Reevely, OTTAWA CITIZEN June 25, 2013 7:58 PM


OTTAWA — City council’s planning committee showed rare backbone Tuesday, rejecting not one but two development proposals widely unpopular among their immediate neighbours.

The higher-profile one, an 18-storey building called Attika proposed for a site next to the Parkdale Market by developer Tega Homes, has roiled Hintonburg and Wellington West since it was first presented as a 36-storey tower in 2010. The planning committee turned it down on a vote of 6-2, fully expecting that fight to end up before the Ontario Municipal Board, which can overrule city councils’ urban-planning decisions.

“We will be off to council and tribunals beyond,” observed the committee’s chairman, Coun. Peter Hume, as he joined the majority in turning down the city’s own planners’ advice to approve the 18-storey version.

The — is that the OMB will actually order a shorter building, something like 12 storeys, if Tega challenges the decision. A community-design plan for the area, meant to set the city’s vision for a long strip close to Wellington Street west of downtown, says just eight storeys would be about right for the property, an L-shaped piece of land that wraps around the Carleton Tavern.

The proposal’s tortured history makes it hard to determine just what rules are supposed to apply. For one thing, the application for a 36-storey building arrived at City Hall before the community-design plan was approved, so technically that vision doesn’t apply. But the city nevertheless applied some version of its standards in handling Tega’s proposal.

The version the city’s planners decided is acceptable has the same density as the eight-storey building the plan talks about, it’s just rearranged into a taller, prettier building, explained planning approvals manager John Smit.

“It’s really to start moving toward the sculpting of the mass that’s allowable on the site,” he said.

The argument is often used to justify taller building: the taller version would hold the same number of people, so its impact on the neighbourhood would be exactly the same, but a taller and slimmer building is more elegant. In this case, an 18-storey tower would be on a back corner of Tega’s property but a lower podium would be closer to the Parkdale Market and the tavern, leaving more chances for redevelopment there.

We’re not buying it, declared Jeff Leiper, the president of the Hintonburg Community Association. “For the sake of consistency and certainty ... we should stick with the plans that we create,” he said.

Several councillors who have community design plans underway or in force in their own wards, agreed. Hume, who’d previously refused to negotiate with Tega in pursuit of a shorter building, acknowledged he’d made a mistake. “I think this is a lesson for us all. I’ve certainly learned a valuable lesson,” he said.

It’s an expensive one. The city’s lawyer Tim Marc, who wrote a legal opinion saying he could probably defend a roughly 12-storey building, won’t be able to to credibly argue to the municipal board that the current eight-story limit is OK. The city’s planners, recommending an 18-storey building, won’t be able to testify that an eight-storey one makes good planning sense. The city will have to spend tens of thousands of dollars on outside experts to argue that the professionals in the bureaucracy were wrong.

But that’s a pill worth choking down, the committee agreed. City council gets to decide whether they’re right July 17.

East of downtown, the planning committee rejected a small townhouse complex that Domicile Developments proposed to build near the intersection of Orléans Boulevard and Innes Road. That development of about 50 units would be squeezed into less than a hectare formerly occupied by a market-garden operation that recently closed, and it isn’t popular because it’d be surrounded by an established neighbourhood of single-family homes.

“There has been consistent opposition to this development,” acknowledged city planning manager Fel Petti as he explained the proposal.

Domicile is known for its mid-rise downtown condos, but its style doesn’t fit in a suburban area like Chapel Hill, argued André Thivierge of the community association. Stacked townhouses with too little parking simply don’t belong in the area. Numerous acrimonious community meetings didn’t produce a plan the residents liked.

“We have been heard, but obviously not listened to, unfortunately,” Thivierge told the committee.

On the contrary, argued Domicile’s lawyer Alan Cohen. “I think this neighbourhood is lucky that my client came in with a program that is compatible, that is sensitive,” he said. He and planner Miguel Tremblay of private consultancy FoTenn showed drawings with Domicile’s townhouses at the same height as the nearby houses, with similar peaked roofs. The plan packs parking inside the complex instead of on its edges and the townhouses would be set back from their existing neighbours more than the zoning rules require.

A lower-density version of the plan simply doesn’t work, Tremblay said.

But that’s what the councillors said they wanted, changing the proposal to allow only single-family houses on corner of Domicile’s property that’s closest to the neighbours and rejecting the rest.

The vote was 5-4, however — with committee chairman Hume, who pulls a lot of weight on city council, on the losing side — meaning that a ratification from city council at that same July 17 meeting is not at all certain.

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"The decision means the matter is likely headed to the Ontario Municipal Board, the provincial body that has the power to overturn city planning decisions.

The chair of the committee, Coun. Peter Hume, voted against Tega’s proposal because he said it would be best if the OMB were to provide clarity on the matter – even though staff said that would cost around $50,000 in legal fees. Tega has already filed an appeal with the body."

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So, the City is letting the OMB do work it should be doing? Is that what I'm reading here? Not surprising; that way councillors can point to an unelected body and blame them for approving unpopular projects rather, thereby dodging responsibility ("They did it, not us!").
It's kind of like the municipal politics version of "Go ask your father". Exactly as you said, they are using the OMB as a scapegoat for unpopular projects. Ugh this stuff can be frustrating at times.
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An interesting point the planner raised was that the CDP wasn't finalized when the application was filed so it had to be assessed against the rules that were in place at the time and not the CDP. This was an important point but it was ignored by the committee.
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A point that won't likely be ignored by the OMB.
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I feel like this one is going to pass through council. Reading Willing's live blog, they seem to feel bad for Tega Homes and their "beat a torturous path to this table".

Update: never mind, it's dead.
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Council shoots down 18-storey ‘Attika’ proposal in Hintonburg

By David Reevely, OTTAWA CITIZEN July 17, 2013 6:05 PM


OTTAWA — The city’s planners will keep looking for the “sweet spot” for a condo project overlooking the Parkdale Market, city council decided Wednesday, rejecting an 18-storey proposal from Tega Homes.

That means the project’s planning saga continues. What began as a 36-storey building has been cut down by half and the hope is it’ll go further, said planning committee chairman Peter Hume. Even at 18 storeys, the “Attika” proposal is taller than the eight-storey limit put on the site by an existing plan for the neighbourhood. But that limit is probably too low to constitute good planning, he said. So they’ll go at it again to try to find something everyone can agree on.

Tega does have an appeal already underway at the Ontario Municipal Board, which can overrule zoning decisions. That case could make anything the city government decides irrelevant.

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here is a link to the OMB appeal page. Nothing going on yet
http://www.omb.gov.on.ca/ecs/CaseDetail.aspx?n=PL130794
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Very interesting issues list. A ruling on this will be very informative and instructional moving forward.
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Bulldog has the decision.

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The developer won. City staff and City hired planning consultant not well prepared and didn't do well in cross-examination.
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Bulldog has the decision.

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The developer won. City staff and City hired planning consultant not well prepared and didn't do well in cross-examination.
Two city planners on opposite "sides" (one appeared under summons)... awkward.
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Bulldog has the decision.

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The developer won. City staff and City hired planning consultant not well prepared and didn't do well in cross-examination.
Good news. Actually the density is good news. The fact that it's Tega isn't good news. I hope Mizrahi is successful as well.
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