PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX - Page 91

summersm343 · #**1801** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 2:08 PM**

13th and South... what an improvement!

http://www.passyunkpost.com/2014/03/12/d...ldings-with-21-condos-at-13th-and-south/

Plokoon11 · #**1802** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 2:23 PM**

Philadelphia is almost beginning to feel like sim city 4.

summersm343 · #**1803** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 2:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Plokoon11

Philadelphia is almost beginning to feel like sim city 4.

Think how many new residential towers CITC will spawn.

CITC will house nearly 4000 workers, only 1000 of which are currently located in the city.

That's 3000 new workers. Let's say that 1000 do not live in the city and commute in from the burbs. That is 2000 new workers looking for a place to live in Philadelphia which already has a 2% vacancy rate in the Center City area.

About 300 units for a 30 floor apartment tower? That's 7 new towers. Some of the taller condo buildings only have 100 or so units. 1706 Rittenhouse has 31. 500 Walnut will have 40. It;'s crazy to think how many towers will be built just because of CITC

summersm343 · #**1804** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 2:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by philatonian

There's a parking garage at the corner of 12th and Walnut.

And a parking lot next to that with a glass tower proposed on it.

ILovePhilly · #**1805** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 2:41 PM**

Expect an announcement about the 30th Street Master Plan team early next week. I'm super excited about this one, guys and gals. Can't wait to give you all the full scoop.

Baconboy007 · #**1806** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 2:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

13th and South... what an improvement!

http://www.passyunkpost.com/2014/03/12/d...ldings-with-21-condos-at-13th-and-south/

The NIMBY's don't seem to like this project, the rendering you posted is a lot nicer than the one posted on Philly Mag.

http://www.phillymag.com/property/2014/0...reet-condo-buildings-replace-vacant-lot/

allovertown · #**1807** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 2:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Pennsgrant

Im just not a fan of this Riverwalk development at all. If you took away the city surroundings from that rendering you would think this thing belonged in Anywhere USA. So vanilla, so disturbingly modern. Is it Myrtle Beach? is it Indianapolis? is it Boca raton? Is it Jersey City. I am so sick of these friggin detail-deficient square glass boxes. Blehhhh

How about given me some architecture that reflects the city of Philadelphia? . Give me a nice densely packed series of 7-9 story stone buildings. Give me 12th + Walnut not Kuala Lumpur.

What type of architecture reflects the city of Philadelphia? Independence Hall? The Second Bank? City Hall? PSFS Buiilding? Liberty One? I mean honestly what makes that architecture Philadelphian other than the history and the context?

During the period in which Georgian architecture was in vogue, Philadelphia built a lot of Georgian buildings, when Art Deco was the style that's what they built, etc. You're going to have to come to terms with the fact that we are currently living in era in which modernist glass boxes are the predominant style. I guarantee you this fad will not last forever and a new style will develop.

In the meantime pining for the construction of architecture from an earlier era is a waste of time. It is not going to happen often and when it does, the results are terrible. Developers simply aren't willing to pay the premium in materials and craftsmanship that make those types of buildings work.

The architecture in Philadelphia has never been entirely unique from other cities. What is unique is how that architecture interacted with our city. While this building could have been built in other cities, it won't be. It will hopefully be built in Philadelphia and while it's unlikely to become a beloved architectural treasure I think it has MANY positives. It brings life to a very dull stretch of JFK, it handles a difficult site with tons of rail obstacles, it provides new access to the Schuylkill Banks, and brings a ton of new residents to center city.

If this building is as successful at interacting with the city as these renders seem to demonstrate it will be, then within a few decades this building will be as Philadelphian as Billy Penn and no one will ever confuse it with Boca Raton.

summersm343 · #**1808** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 3:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Pennsgrant

Im just not a fan of this Riverwalk development at all. If you took away the city surroundings from that rendering you would think this thing belonged in Anywhere USA. So vanilla, so disturbingly modern. Is it Myrtle Beach? is it Indianapolis? is it Boca raton? Is it Jersey City. I am so sick of these friggin detail-deficient square glass boxes. Blehhhh

How about given me some architecture that reflects the city of Philadelphia? . Give me a nice densely packed series of 7-9 story stone buildings. Give me 12th + Walnut not Kuala Lumpur.

You make no sense... if this was a bunch of 7-9 story buildings, you would be complaining that they weren't tall enough, just like you did with 3737 Market, 3601 Market, etc.

You're against a 500+ footer now? And two 20 floor buildings? I think this is a very nice site design, aside from how the 500 footer meets JFK Blvd.

I also think the towers are designed very well. The developer is from Florida, so naturally these towers are going to be reminiscent of the architecture in the Miami area, but I think this is a very nice design and something different and unique for the Philadelphia skyline.

summersm343 · #**1809** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 3:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Baconboy007

The NIMBY's don't seem to like this project, the rendering you posted is a lot nicer than the one posted on Philly Mag.

http://www.phillymag.com/property/2014/0...reet-condo-buildings-replace-vacant-lot/

NIMBY's don't like anything. Who would attest two 4 story condo buildings on a currently empty lot of an eyesore?

It's really really annoying. I don't understand why people live in a city if they're going to protest every building being built.

MikeNigh · #**1810** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 3:28 PM**

Whenever I walked past modern 3-4 four story condo / rowhomes in predominantly brick neighborhoods they seemed to give a lot of life to the area. Especially if the previous brick rowhomes weren't kept in 110% prestine condition. Plus that is south st, that's rediculous to claim it should only be brick. Also getting more retail west of the portion of south st that gets active will be important.

ILovePhilly · #**1811** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 3:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

I also think the towers are designed very well. The developer is from Florida, so naturally these towers are going to be reminiscent of the architecture in the Miami area, but I think this is a very nice design and something different and unique for the Philadelphia skyline.

I agree. Plus, the whole neighborhood as viewed from West Philly or the Schuylkill River Trail is an Art Deco hodgepodge anyway and these 'florida' style buildings will fit in very nicely with that aesthetic. I think along the waterfront is the best place to play that up, too. My only issues with the project are
1. too much parking (way too much parking)
2. the arcade along JFK will be awkward deadspace just like all the other arcades on JFK.

Otherwise I LOVE this project! Over 650 units and they are CONDOS! Woohoo! Welcome back, Philadelphia!

*edit I can't spell aesthetic

Philly Fan · #**1812** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 4:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

The developer is from Florida, so naturally these towers are going to be reminiscent of the architecture in the Miami area, but I think this is a very nice design and something different and unique for the Philadelphia skyline.

Actually, the developer is from Minneapolis, Minnesota and San Jose, Costa Rica (it has headquarters in both cities), and I don't really see Miami-style architecture (to the extent there is a singular Miami style) in the design (having lived there for a few years in the '80s, and having visited more recently). But I do like the design, and think it fits in quite well with the architectural eclecticism found in Center City, and especially in that location along the Schuylkill River (as others have pointed out).

wondertwinalpha · #**1813** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 4:24 PM**

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It will hopefully be built in Philadelphia and while it's unlikely to become a beloved architectural treasure I think it has MANY positives. It brings life to a very dull stretch of JFK, it handles a difficult site with tons of rail obstacles, it provides new access to the Schuylkill Banks, and brings a ton of new residents to center city.

And brings a possible grocery store and/or retail, and provides a hotel within one block of 30th Street Station, something I am amazed does not already exist. When I travel to NYC or DC, I look for hotels within a short walk of Penn Station or Union Station. And there are several in both cities. Where is the closest hotel to 30th Street Station?

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I think this is a very nice site design, aside from how the 500 footer meets JFK Blvd

I think the problem with the street interaction comes from the two curb cuts to presumably provide a drop off area for the hotel. It would be great if there was a better place to put this, but I am not sure where they would put it.

br323206 · #**1814** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 4:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by wondertwinalpha

And brings a possible grocery store and/or retail, and provides a hotel within one block of 30th Street Station, something I am amazed does not already exist. When I travel to NYC or DC, I look for hotels within a short walk of Penn Station or Union Station. And there are several in both cities. Where is the closest hotel to 30th Street Station?

http://goo.gl/maps/KnsiS

wondertwinalpha · #**1815** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 5:01 PM**

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http://goo.gl/maps/KnsiS

Philly
0.9mi - 18 min. walk
DC
0.2mi - 5 min. walk
NYC
492ft - 2 min. walk

Kidphilly · #**1816** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 5:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by br323206

http://goo.gl/maps/KnsiS

wouldnt those on Market and 20th be closer isnt the Rittenhouse closer than this too

Also - I believe Drexel has plans for a Hotel right at like 31/32 and Market/JFK

Kidphilly · #**1817** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 5:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by allovertown

What type of architecture reflects the city of Philadelphia? Independence Hall? The Second Bank? City Hall? PSFS Buiilding? Liberty One? I mean honestly what makes that architecture Philadelphian other than the history and the context?

During the period in which Georgian architecture was in vogue, Philadelphia built a lot of Georgian buildings, when Art Deco was the style that's what they built, etc. You're going to have to come to terms with the fact that we are currently living in era in which modernist glass boxes are the predominant style. I guarantee you this fad will not last forever and a new style will develop.

In the meantime pining for the construction of architecture from an earlier era is a waste of time. It is not going to happen often and when it does, the results are terrible. Developers simply aren't willing to pay the premium in materials and craftsmanship that make those types of buildings work.

The architecture in Philadelphia has never been entirely unique from other cities. What is unique is how that architecture interacted with our city. While this building could have been built in other cities, it won't be. It will hopefully be built in Philadelphia and while it's unlikely to become a beloved architectural treasure I think it has MANY positives. It brings life to a very dull stretch of JFK, it handles a difficult site with tons of rail obstacles, it provides new access to the Schuylkill Banks, and brings a ton of new residents to center city.

If this building is as successful at interacting with the city as these renders seem to demonstrate it will be, then within a few decades this building will be as Philadelphian as Billy Penn and no one will ever confuse it with Boca Raton.

Great post - quoted for the truth

summersm343 · #**1818** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 5:13 PM**

So we've seen renderings for good amount of the buildings I mentioned.

Riverwalk
1601 Vine
500 Walnut

Still waiting on renderings for :

23rd and Cherry tower (PMC)
16th and Cherry tower
19th and Walnut tower (Toll Brothers)
8th and Walnut tower (possible Liberty office building)

summersm343 · #**1819** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by wondertwinalpha

Philly
0.9mi - 18 min. walk
DC
0.2mi - 5 min. walk
NYC
492ft - 2 min. walk

I agree. Would like to see at least 2 or 3 hotels around 30th Street station. They would constantly be filled up by travelers. As the western edge of Center City and Eastern edge around UCity continue to build up, it's only a matter of time before we see hotels cropping up.

theWatusi · #**1820** Posted **Mar 13, 2014, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

Think how many new residential towers CITC will spawn.

CITC will house nearly 4000 workers, only 1000 of which are currently located in the city.

That's 3000 new workers. Let's say that 1000 do not live in the city and commute in from the burbs. That is 2000 new workers looking for a place to live in Philadelphia which already has a 2% vacancy rate in the Center City area.

About 300 units for a 30 floor apartment tower? That's 7 new towers. Some of the taller condo buildings only have 100 or so units. 1706 Rittenhouse has 31. 500 Walnut will have 40. It;'s crazy to think how many towers will be built just because of CITC

That's some very optimistic speculation.