PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX - Page 89

Londonee · #**1761** Posted **Mar 11, 2014, 8:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

Anyone have any ideas why there are currently two tower cranes up at the Navy Yard???

The Sixers new practice facility perhaps?

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2013/06/18/sixers-talking-about-practice-at-the.html

Kidphilly · #**1762** Posted **Mar 11, 2014, 9:40 PM**

From the developers of 1776 Rit

http://www.philly.com/philly/classifieds...high-rise_planned_for_historic_area.html

Kidphilly · #**1763** Posted **Mar 11, 2014, 9:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kidphilly

From the developers of 1776 Rit

http://www.philly.com/philly/classifieds...high-rise_planned_for_historic_area.html

apparently am late to the party

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=210184

EastSideHBG · #**1764** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 12:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jelly Roll

I do not see how KOP would reasonably be able to do this. Rosslyn is really just an extension of NW DC and has multiple subway stops along with walking trails into Georgetown and Foggy Bottom. I honestly think Rosslyn is more like University City and has little in common with KOP.

I agree and they are two different animals. KOP could urbanize a little more if it wanted to but it needs a lot of work and I don't think you'd get a whole lot of buy-in from the current residents either.

The traffic in KOP is already a giant mess practically daily and around the holidays it can become nearly impassable on some days and I can't imagine what it is going to be like when the new Target opens, this expansion opens , etc.

shadowbat2 · #**1765** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 4:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by Londonee

The Sixers new practice facility perhaps?

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2013/06/18/sixers-talking-about-practice-at-the.html

McBane · #**1766** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 12:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by EastSideHBG

I agree and they are two different animals. KOP could urbanize a little more if it wanted to but it needs a lot of work and I don't think you'd get a whole lot of buy-in from the current residents either.

The traffic in KOP is already a giant mess practically daily and around the holidays it can become nearly impassable on some days and I can't imagine what it is going to be like when the new Target opens, this expansion opens , etc.

The best KOP could hope for is more like Reston, VA. Mid-rise buildings, chain restaurants, a fake "town centre", and 100% auto dependent. Just because you have a sprinkling of tall buildings and some mass transit doesn't make a community walkable (see pretty much any city in South Florida). For KOP to become a walkable urban environment would require leveling the entire thing and starting from scratch. In other words, it's not going to ever happen, ever. KOP is what it is so just leave it at that.

das18 · #**1767** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 2:53 PM**

Conshohocken, while it certainly has it's fair share of highway interchanges and parking garages, compared to KOP it is an urban paradise because it has street level retail, walkable streets, a train station, etc. IMO it has a better chance of developing along the lines of the walkable, dense suburbs you reference.

PhiLaw · #**1768** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 3:18 PM**

I don't understand all this talk about KOP. KOP was never meant to be turned into any urban paradise. It was meant to emulate the highway-accessible low-rise silicon valley and other southwestern booming cities. This was to capture demand from businesses leaving Philadelphia and surrounding urban centers. While I like the Reston model better than KOP, KOP was never purposed for that, nor will they ever be purposed for that.

The KOP Mall and surrounding businesses is their downtown, and it seems with recent developments they are doubling down on that.

Kidphilly · #**1769** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 3:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by PhiLaw

I don't understand all this talk about KOP. KOP was never meant to be turned into any urban paradise. It was meant to emulate the highway-accessible low-rise silicon valley and other southwestern booming cities. This was to capture demand from businesses leaving Philadelphia and surrounding urban centers. While I like the Reston model better than KOP, KOP was never purposed for that, nor will they ever be purposed for that.

The KOP Mall and surrounding businesses is their downtown, and it seems with recent developments they are doubling down on that.

In addition to whatever could come from the new Village at Valley Forge - though would love to see whatever rail (if ever) get integrated to this development as well.

Could see a split there - on heading to 202 and ending at the Paoli train station with a pass through the planned community and business center off at 252 and another up to (422) to maybe Collegeville

Baconboy007 · #**1770** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 3:45 PM**

I'll say it. Clean up the riff raff in Norristown and there you have your urban area in KOP.

wondertwinalpha · #**1771** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 6:26 PM**

FYI, new renders of the 23rd and Arch development, AKA River Walk, are on NP International site. They presented to LSNA in Feb. as summersm indicated but it took until now for minutes to be posted. Not a lot of info. but looks to be progressing. Check out the minutes and renders at these links since I am not savvy enough to post pics.

http://www.np-international.com/selected-work/mixed-use/

http://www.lsnaphilly.org/about-lsna/board-minutes

Kidphilly · #**1772** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 7:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by wondertwinalpha

FYI, new renders of the 23rd and Arch development, AKA River Walk, are on NP International site. They presented to LSNA in Feb. as summersm indicated but it took until now for minutes to be posted. Not a lot of info. but looks to be progressing. Check out the minutes and renders at these links since I am not savvy enough to post pics.

http://www.np-international.com/selected-work/mixed-use/

http://www.lsnaphilly.org/about-lsna/board-minutes

the third tower is significantly taller now in the renders - similar with a new section on top right next to the PECO building

Baconboy007 · #**1773** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 7:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by wondertwinalpha

http://www.lsnaphilly.org/about-lsna/board-minutes

There is an interesting note in bullet #2 of the attached zoning report about 1900 Arch and what I assume is the brownstone next to it. Not sure what to make of it but they are having a meeting with the Kennedy house and it seems to also mention the Comcast building. Anyone have any more info?

DIESELPOLO · #**1774** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 7:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by wondertwinalpha

FYI, new renders of the 23rd and Arch development, AKA River Walk, are on NP International site. They presented to LSNA in Feb...

Noice.

Kidphilly · #**1775** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 7:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by DIESELPOLO

Noice.

that tallest tower would appear similar to the height of the PECO building at a little below 400ft I believe

and also would make for a considerably different feel to the JFK bridge approach

wondertwinalpha · #**1776** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 7:55 PM**

If you poke through the minutes you will also see that they are talking with PENNDOT to put a stair/ramp between JFK and the rails descending from JFK to 22nd. That would be very nice for access between 30th Street Station and the Logan Square area.

December 2013 minutes, page 7, item 9

MikeNigh · #**1777** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 7:58 PM**

Wow that is nice

miesian · #**1778** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 8:09 PM**

23 and Arch development looks nice. It's interesting how towers will be on both banks of the Schuylkill...more and more.

Kidphilly · #**1779** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 8:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by wondertwinalpha

If you poke through the minutes you will also see that they are talking with PENNDOT to put a stair/ramp between JFK and the rails descending from JFK to 22nd. That would be very nice for access between 30th Street Station and the Logan Square area.

December 2013 minutes, page 7, item 9

It would be - but why 22nd and not 23rd closer to actual development

Makes me wonder is the JFK facing tower would also have access to their piazza and the trail there - would seem like the need to link this and that could mean trail access as well right there from the JFK bridge - cant imagine that their only connection to JFK would from 22nd - would be a win a few fronts

Nice catch

rricci · #**1780** Posted **Mar 12, 2014, 9:43 PM**

PENDOT presented once again at the LSNA meeting this past Tuesday night. They are putting out an RFP to replace the bridge caps along 676 VIne Street Expressway at 22, 21, 20. 19 and 18th streets with some changes to the BFP lanes and lots of beautification and greening. They are also planning to cap the space in front of the Free Library and increase the size of Shakespeare Park, centered around an oval. As far as the stairs to JFK, they chose 22nd street as it is the midpoint of their target which was 21st, 22nd and 23rd. At this point there will be stairs and a ramp starting at the NW corner of Cuthbert and 22nd Street (under the Septa tracks). They need an agreement from the owner of the property, which happens to be the same owner of the 23rd Street proposal for River Walk. Several folks at the meeting expressed the benefit of having access to JFK from 23rd also, and PENDOT is not opposed, but at this point does not have the room or money. My personal theory, however, is that the owner of the land will negotiate a stairway from 23rd to increase the accessibility and value of his River Walk development in exchange for an agreeable price on a ROW land lease. In any case, all 9 capping projects and the stairs are scheduled to begin next spring. The Vine Street Expressway project has a 4 year completion target date, while the BFP caps have a 1-2 year completion date.