Calgary 2013 Civic Census - Page 10

Spring2008 · #**181** Posted **Feb 26, 2014, 5:06 PM**

57K metro population growth YoY. Wonder what the next civic census will look like. Most of these newcomers are likely young professionals working centrally, no wonder there's 10-15 new rental towers in the works!

Spring2008 · #**182** Posted **Feb 27, 2014, 3:45 PM**

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/91-214-x/2012000/t011-eng.pdf

Breakdown of last years' growth. Strong across all categories, but still well back of the big three in terms of international migration, so there's still room for growth there.

MasterG · #**183** Posted **Feb 27, 2014, 4:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spring2008

57K metro population growth YoY. Wonder what the next civic census will look like. Most of these newcomers are likely young professionals working centrally, no wonder there's 10-15 new rental towers in the works!

Yeah no kidding eh? 57K growth! where did all these people go? I know the burbs are booming like usual but that's another 20-30K housing units absorbed in the area. Do we even build that many? No wonder rent is crazy right now.

Imagine 10 years from now with all those rentals / condos built. We must be looking at a 20,000+ growth in the centre city if they all come to pass. Not to mention another 20,000+ in the surrounding areas of Mission, Bridgeland, Kensington etc.

Rusty van Reddick · #**184** Posted **Feb 27, 2014, 5:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spring2008

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/91-214-x/2012000/t011-eng.pdf

Breakdown of last years' growth. Strong across all categories, but still well back of the big three in terms of international migration, so there's still room for growth there.

HUH? With net international immigration of almost 24,000, we have the highest rate of international immigration in Canada and likely all of North America. We must be in the top three cities in the world.

We were about 25% higher than Toronto, 50% higher than Vancouver, and 100% higher than Montreal per capita. Big three my ass. We are the big ONE and per capita Edmonton is second.

Spring2008 · #**185** Posted **Feb 27, 2014, 5:27 PM**

^Per capita only takes you so far. By that measure, Saskatoon's king. Absolute is what really counts overall in the big leagues.

Just throwing it out there. Was a very strong year across the board, doesn't mean there's not room for further improvement in attracting skilled/educated immigrants. We can't expect to rely so much on net provincial numbers forever.

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Originally Posted by MasterG

Yeah no kidding eh? 57K growth! where did all these people go? I know the burbs are booming like usual but that's another 20-30K housing units absorbed in the area. Do we even build that many? No wonder rent is crazy right now.

Imagine 10 years from now with all those rentals / condos built. We must be looking at a 20,000+ growth in the centre city if they all come to pass. Not to mention another 20,000+ in the surrounding areas of Mission, Bridgeland, Kensington etc.

Stuffing themselves into one-bedrooms I bet.

Rusty van Reddick · #**186** Posted **Feb 27, 2014, 5:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spring2008

^Per capita only takes you so far. By that measure, Saskatoon's king. Absolute is what really counts overall in the big leagues.

Well we'll ignore small cities since they entail much higher statistical volatility. Great to see such high levels of immigration for both Saskatoon and Regina though.

Absolute numbers are an absurd standard- don't be ridiculous. By "absolute numbers" Toronto is the murder capital of Canada. We'll never match the absolute numbers for Montreal but we crush it per capita. It bears noting however that we're not that far off from Vancouver in absolute numbers- 24k vs 31k and of course we beat them per capita WHICH IS WHAT MATTERS.

MasterG · #**187** Posted **Feb 27, 2014, 6:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spring2008

^Per capita only takes you so far. By that measure, Saskatoon's king. Absolute is what really counts overall in the big leagues.

Just throwing it out there. Was a very strong year across the board, doesn't mean there's not room for further improvement in attracting skilled/educated immigrants. We can't expect to rely so much on net provincial numbers forever.

Stuffing themselves into one-bedrooms I bet.

That's true. With all the 4/5-bedroom , but only 3 or 2 person homes in this city your actual vacancy rate is around 25-50% of bed space unoccupied probably. Pack 'em in!

Interestingly, New York is so expensive that it reports that it has the shortest average time before couples move in with each other after first meeting in North America and perhaps the world. New York is likely batting north of 1:1 persons per bedroom because of this.

People just need to get a little more friendly and we can fit all of them

Spring2008 · #**188** Posted **Mar 1, 2014, 4:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rusty van Reddick

Well we'll ignore small cities since they entail much higher statistical volatility. Great to see such high levels of immigration for both Saskatoon and Regina though.

Absolute numbers are an absurd standard- don't be ridiculous. By "absolute numbers" Toronto is the murder capital of Canada. We'll never match the absolute numbers for Montreal but we crush it per capita. It bears noting however that we're not that far off from Vancouver in absolute numbers- 24k vs 31k and of course we beat them per capita WHICH IS WHAT MATTERS.

But we have matched and surpassed Montreal and Vancouver's overall absolute metro growth numbers these past couple years with most of our metro still made up of the city proper, which is pretty damn impressive. Would still like to see some further growth in those international numbers down the road though.

For reference 1991 metro population counts, back when Calgary's metro was only slightly larger than Winnipeg's and Qubebec City's, and much smaller than Ottawa's metro.

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/english/census96/data/popdwell/Table.cfm?T=205

Wigs · #**189** Posted **Mar 1, 2014, 4:28 PM**

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But we have matched and surpassed Montreal and Vancouver's overall absolute metro growth numbers these past couple years with most of our metro still made up of the city proper, which is pretty damn impressive.

not only Calgary, but Edmonton did too from 2012-2013! go Alberta!

Wigs · #**190** Posted **Mar 2, 2014, 3:32 PM**

posted this in the Canada section, but thought you guys might appreciate it as well

Wigs · #**191** Posted **Mar 2, 2014, 3:52 PM**

geotag277 · #**192** Posted **Mar 2, 2014, 5:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spring2008

But we have matched and surpassed Montreal and Vancouver's overall absolute metro growth numbers these past couple years with most of our metro still made up of the city proper, which is pretty damn impressive. Would still like to see some further growth in those international numbers down the road though.

For reference 1991 metro population counts, back when Calgary's metro was only slightly larger than Winnipeg's and Qubebec City's, and much smaller than Ottawa's metro.

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/english/census96/data/popdwell/Table.cfm?T=205

Calgary grew by a jaw dropping 81% from 1991-2013, the next fastest rate was Oshawa at 58% in the same period, with Edmonton third at 53% growth.

Stephen Ave · #**193** Posted **Apr 26, 2014, 6:11 AM**

Holy crap that is killer growth! I had no idea we were growing that fast. 57K in one year - that's amazing.