YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 284

Denscity · #**5661** Posted **Feb 26, 2014, 10:03 PM**

Wow YVR well done!!

If this is the new normal this should quiet down the Calgarians claiming that they will pass YVR in traffic shortly.

Johnny Aussie · #**5662** Posted **Feb 26, 2014, 10:29 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denscity

Wow YVR well done!!

If this is the new normal this should quiet down the Calgarians claiming that they will pass YVR in traffic shortly.

I don't think any Calgarian has claimed that YYC will pass YVR shortly. At least not on SSP forums. And we haven't seen YYC's January numbers yet which I am sure will be very strong as well.

YYC and YVR are definitely on the up and up in all sectors.

There are still more service announcements to come so stay tuned!

I will do an updated summer 2014 summary soon-ish....

But those January numbers for YVR have definitely exceeded what I was thinking. I was predicting Asia/Pacific to be up about 12% only. Also, very good to see Europe with decent growth.

Porfiry · #**5663** Posted **Feb 26, 2014, 10:44 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I don't think any Calgarian has claimed that YYC will pass YVR shortly.

The analyst in this story says 5-6 years to surpass YVR. I don't know enough to agree or disagree with this, but the claim certainly has been made.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1146263/calgary-airport-now-fastest-growing-in-canada/

craneSpotter · #**5664** Posted **Feb 26, 2014, 10:55 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahav

January traffic stats are out: huge increases, led by 18% in Asian traffic, but widespread increses across all markets, with domestic and transborder up very healthy amounts!

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/January_2014_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Really nice to see domestic up ~8%, was kinda flat for a while. Anyone think it's possible part of the domestic increase is due to lower $ (already?) and fewer PAX deciding to fly out of BLI/SEA?

I believe busiest January ever?

Johnny Aussie · #**5665** Posted **Feb 27, 2014, 2:12 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porfiry

The analyst in this story says 5-6 years to surpass YVR. I don't know enough to agree or disagree with this, but the claim certainly has been made.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1146263/calgary-airport-now-fastest-growing-in-canada/

And yes he did! It was a good news story too. I think I had watched that before and yes the 5 year comment got snuck in at the last few seconds :-)

Keep forgetting how strong some Canadian accents can be ;-) Always look forward to that as soon as I step on AC34 every time.

cyeg66 · #**5666** Posted **Feb 27, 2014, 4:02 PM**

I believe what Johnny meant to say was no "even remotely intelligent Calgarian" would claim YYC could/should/would surpass YVR. Every time someone has uttered that bs, I've been quick to shut them down. If the claim were, for instance "someday YYC will have YVR's pax count", sure, provided they mean 17.9M pax at some point in the future, while YVR will then be at about 21 or 22 million. In the long-term, things won't change. It'll ALWAYS be YYZ, YVR, followed by YYC/YUL (trading places), YEG, YOW, then a bunch of lesser-knowns that no one cares about.

Johnny Aussie · #**5667** Posted **Feb 27, 2014, 7:31 PM**

With only a month to go until the launch of the daily YVR-HND flight, AC still has not thrown a code share flight number on it.

I thought this was going to be a JV?

trofirhen · #**5668** Posted **Feb 27, 2014, 10:47 PM**

Any updates on this Asia - South America connector at YVR that was so heavily - and enthusiastically - talked about several months back?
Was just talking to a YVR marketing/routes development person; the issue seems dead in the water, now. Too bad, it would have bumped YVR up a great big notch. YYZ rules! (market size, and all that). Kind of a shame, really, to have got our hopes up for seemingly nothing.

Johnny Aussie · #**5669** Posted **Feb 28, 2014, 12:14 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Any updates on this Asia - South America connector at YVR that was so heavily - and enthusiastically - talked about several months back?
Was just talking to a YVR marketing/routes development person; the issue seems dead in the water, now. Too bad, it would have bumped YVR up a great big notch. YYZ rules! (market size, and all that). Kind of a shame, really, to have got our hopes up for seemingly nothing.

I know! I haven't been able to sleep for weeks in the hopes that this was actually going to happen. I guess we'll just have to accept the fact it's not.

Darn it!

Gordon · #**5670** Posted **Feb 28, 2014, 5:42 AM**

We don't really know why this didn't happen. maybe Ottawa simply wouldn't make the viss changes needed.a
Hopefully the airport authority can get the feds to make the changes needed to allow YVr to repatriate a good portion of the SEA & BLI pax .

trofirhen · #**5671** Posted **Feb 28, 2014, 8:37 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon

We don't really know why this didn't happen. maybe Ottawa simply wouldn't make the viss changes needed.a
Hopefully the airport authority can get the feds to make the changes needed to allow YVr to repatriate a good portion of the SEA & BLI pax .

......... which begs the question ... WHY wouldn't Ottawa makes the changes needed? (hmmmm?)

Johnny Aussie · #**5672** Posted **Mar 2, 2014, 8:48 PM**

Another slow newsweek zzzzz.

UA continues its notorious shuffling of equipment with the summer scheds.

Of course this could change next week.

A few 319s being replaced by 320s (SFO, DEN, EWR)
The early morning SFO flight being replaced by Express.
IAD 73G replacing the daily 320.
IAH continues to be a mixed bag.

Klazu · #**5673** Posted **Mar 2, 2014, 9:14 PM**

Just curious Johnny Aussie, where does your huge interest towards YVR and YYC stem from? Those seem to be the only threads on this forum that you post to and you are living in Melbourne. I mean, it's great to read even these minor updates, but that is a mysterious combination.

Have a great summer Monday Monday down there in Melbourne!

trofirhen · #**5674** Posted **Mar 2, 2014, 9:22 PM**

Regarding the short-lived notion of a visa-free zone to connect Asian flights through Vancouver, that flared and sputtered .....
There was something I did pick up from the routes & marketing rep from YVR last week.
Although he as much admitted that that idea was dead in the water, he obliquely volunteered the city name Lima.
While, of course, most South American destinations are routed through Toronto, Dallas, Miami, and such; Lima (whose airport is rated the best in South America and is still undergoing expansion) WOULD make a good gateway to S.A. from YVR, as it is in the NW of that continent, and of course is connected nonstop to all the major cities.
San Francisco now has a Lima connection, for example. Such a route, esp when factoring in Andean mining industry interests, would indeed be logical for YVR, too, I think.

Johnny Aussie · #**5675** Posted **Mar 2, 2014, 9:43 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klazu

Just curious Johnny Aussie, where does your huge interest towards YVR and YYC stem from? Those seem to be the only threads on this forum that you post to and you are living in Melbourne. I mean, it's great to read even these minor updates, but that is a mysterious combination.

Have a great summer Monday Monday down there in Melbourne!

I am Canadian! I consider YYC and YVR my hometowns.

It's all in my profile :-)

Everybody loves a good mystery!

Klazu · #**5676** Posted **Mar 2, 2014, 10:20 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I am Canadian! I consider YYC and YVR my hometowns.

I did realize that, but I guess I was curious about you only posting to these two threads and never to anything else about these two great cities, or even Melbourne threads, for that matter. I guess you are just an aviation enthusiastic, eh?.

To the Asia - South America discussion: if connection this would be an attractive market, I would expect Honolulu to be positioning itself for it, but this doesn't seem to be the case at all. It would make an ideal connecting point for flights, but there are no flights between Hawaii and South America at this moment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honolulu_International_Airport

trofirhen · #**5677** Posted **Mar 2, 2014, 11:01 PM**

Although - perhaps on a Mercator projection - Honolulu would seem the closest link from East Asian cities to Lima, this is not the case.
The "Great Circle" route takes it more northward.
If you care to click on the links, you will observe.

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/gmp-to-lim/

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/pek-to-lim/

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/pvg-to-lim/

Johnny Aussie · #**5678** Posted **Mar 2, 2014, 11:30 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klazu

I did realize that, but I guess I was curious about you only posting to these two threads and never to anything else about these two great cities, or even Melbourne threads, for that matter. I guess you are just an aviation enthusiastic, eh?.

I actually post heaps of stuff about Melbourne but not on SSP. Like a lot of forums, certain ones are bigger in different parts of the world. SSP is not as big in Australia.

I get to Canada quite a lot.... and fly every other week. Basically comes down to being another common avgeek :-)

Johnny Aussie · #**5679** Posted **Mar 6, 2014, 4:13 AM**

For the first time he specifically mentions Xiamen Airlines to Xiamen.

Despite all the previous hints.... Prior to this he never openly admitted this was the Chinese Airline with the soon to be delivered 787s he was referring to.

Most of the rest of the story is just mainly focused on China in general.

www.richmondreview.com/news/248421501.html

deasine · #**5680** Posted **Mar 6, 2014, 4:45 AM**

I expect an announcement shortly

BTW, there's discussion YYZ will be getting flights from PVG from two different Chinese carriers. While this on the surface might sound like it comes as a cost to YVR given customers have a direct option, it's important to remember China imposes a one carrier for long-haul regulation to its airlines. There have been exceptions made for CA in routes from PVG to Australia. But if this is really the case, this might benefit YVR even more and we could expect additional carriers such as CZ launching service from PEK.