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Old Posted Feb 25, 2014, 4:55 PM
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It's too bad there are restrictions on how many bars can be on a block and how many permits are available etc. I think that hurts downtown dining and nightlife. That's not to say there aren't some great spots, but Main could be a go to place like the Gaslight District in San Diego.

As many have stated, if there is more of a 24/7 population downtown, that will also help vibrancy.
     
     
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It's too bad there are restrictions on how many bars can be on a block and how many permits are available etc. I think that hurts downtown dining and nightlife. That's not to say there aren't some great spots, but Main could be a go to place like the Gaslight District in San Diego.

As many have stated, if there is more of a 24/7 population downtown, that will also help vibrancy.
More than 2 bars are allowed on a block now

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/70535...alt-Lake-City-block-approved.html?pg=all

I went out last weekend, it was nice to see how alive Main Street was, there were lines outside of many of the bars between 100 S. and 400 S. and people walking everywhere.

It is also worth mentioning that some downtown restaurants are DEAD during the middle of the week. Hopefully as more people move downtown that will change.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2014, 5:41 PM
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Dang. That article is from 2009. Where have I been?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2014, 6:05 PM
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More than 2 bars are allowed on a block now

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The number of bars allowed is a moot point until the state starts milling some more permits. Besides its more than just bars, restaurants need to have liquor licenses too, this state's aversion to alcohol is downright nutty. I'm a very occasional imbiber and I know the apologist Utahn on the chamber of commerce will try to dispel the myth that its hard to get a drink in Zion. It's not hard to get a drink in Zion, just harder than it needs to be. Onerous regulation and thought policing and the stupid rules of having to order food and added expense of Zion's Curtain is all nonsense. Downtown SLC should be far more vibrant and occupied (and perhaps its coming... eventually... someday... maybe) but there is definite something that is affecting downtown. Similar size cities all have more going on. Even Boise has a more vibrant downtown community with small businesses, sure its a larger city population wise, but SLC could be so much more.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2014, 6:09 PM
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I agree with all of that. There are patches of Main Street that are busy, but most of it is still a ghost town. Even with conventions in town, there just aren't many restaurants or other businesses to draw them in.
I work downtown too and frequent main everyday for lunch/Trax.. Downtown has come along way but needs to keep improving. Like you said, patches of main are alive(Gallivan area-Key's on Main-Cheers to You) but it has a ways to go.

IMO, many parts of downtown are car friendly rather than walkable and with bigger blocks, people are less likely to walk around all of downtown.. I think CCC and other projects are helping to along with free UTA service in the core of dowtown. As they add and continue green programs like the Bike program, it will help

Denver is a great model to reach for IMO.. Mall Street and Lamar st are full of life/bars/eats/sports. They have great condo/apt density to fuel this as well. I realize Denver is a different culture but I think anything even close to this would make SLC pop.. Diversity folks.. That's the key..

I think there is hope for SLC..
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2014, 6:12 PM
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It's not hard to get a drink in Zion, just harder than it needs to be. Onerous regulation and thought policing and the stupid rules of having to order food and added expense of Zion's Curtain is all nonsense. Downtown SLC should be far more vibrant and occupied (and perhaps its coming... eventually... someday... maybe) but there is definite something that is affecting downtown.
I believe (I don't have any data to back this up) that our reputation as a dry state (even though we're not, a lot of people outside of Utah think we are) really hurts things like our convention and tourism business. Every convention I've ever been to, alcohol is a big part of the business; it's where you do your networking, it's where you have fun, it's where you make poor decisions you have to explain later or run away from. And the conventions I go to are just lame education ones--I can't imagine what those with attendees who have money to spend are like.

In any case, more permits and fewer peculiarities could grease some wheels for visitors, not just residents.

It'd help the residents too.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2014, 7:57 PM
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Yeah. The fact Utah hands out liquor licenses like they're the golden f'n ticket has hindered the progression of a nightlife within the city & state. I really do wish the legislature would just grant cities the power to draft their own policies. But that won't happen because our government is too corrupt to dissolve the DABC. It's amazing how Utah prides itself on being moralist, and we have one of the most corrupt government bodies in the country. It might not be as blatant as, say, Illinois or New Jersey, but it's just as bad and worse, because politicians in Utah rarely ever get the boot unless their corruption is so open that there really is no choice (see John Swallow). The DABC is just an extension of that.
     
     
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I heard once that the Grand America Hotel stands at 330FT, but then another website has it at 395FT. So this one would be hard to do since nobody really knows for sure just how high it really is. Same could be said about the new Fed. Courthouse building.
According to Wikipedia it is 395' but then says in the description that it's 330' to the top of the flag pole. They list it as the 12th tallest building in SLC. Adding to the confusion they list 222 as the 11th tallest at 315'. I have now seen it listed at 330' to the top of the flag pole from two different sources so I assume that is the correct number. If you don't count the flag pole which in my opinion shouldn't really count then it probably does come in just under 222 as the 12th tallest. If you look at the link Wikipedia does make a few mistakes on their list and I think it can be safely assumed that listing the Grand at 395' is one of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Salt_Lake_City
     
     
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Shilo Inn

Hey y'all. Does anybody know when the Shilo Inn hotel on West Temple is going to start their Holiday Inn Express renovations? I know it's supposed to be complete in eight months, but I'd like to know when they plan on starting. Thank you!
     
     
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There have been no building permits applied for at the Shilo Inn site so there definitely not starting in the next few weeks.
     
     
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UTPlanner, Do you know were we can find the plans/elevations for the Bridges at Citifront 2? I looked on the city website and could not find them under their building permits. Aren't new buildings required to submit plans if they are building a new building, or is that only if they need approval from the planning commission?
     
     
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Yeah. The fact Utah hands out liquor licenses like they're the golden f'n ticket has hindered the progression of a nightlife within the city & state. I really do wish the legislature would just grant cities the power to draft their own policies. But that won't happen because our government is too corrupt to dissolve the DABC. It's amazing how Utah prides itself on being moralist, and we have one of the most corrupt government bodies in the country. It might not be as blatant as, say, Illinois or New Jersey, but it's just as bad and worse, because politicians in Utah rarely ever get the boot unless their corruption is so open that there really is no choice (see John Swallow). The DABC is just an extension of that.

Exactly... The dominant religion in this state becomes less dominant each day, yet the majority iron fist party of this state are well rooted like oak trees...
There has been a little progress but there is much holding SLC back right now.

The new proposed Zion Curtain Alcohol bill fell down like a led balloon. Not shocked.
     
     
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They are making quick progress on the demo for the theater. I didn't get a shot of the front of the Bennion Jewelers building, but the whole NW corner is gone.



     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2014, 9:47 PM
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Exactly... The dominant religion in this state becomes less dominant each day, yet the majority iron fist party of this state are well rooted like oak trees...
There has been a little progress but there is much holding SLC back right now.

The new proposed Zion Curtain Alcohol bill fell down like a led balloon. Not shocked.
This is the biggest problem with the Utah Legislature. It's very monolithic and does not represent the diversity of the state. 90% of the Utah House is LDS. On its face, there is nothing wrong with that statistic - except that Utah's population is 62% LDS. I have no problem with Mormons being in government - but the lack of religious and cultural diversity is startling, especially when you factor in that many LDS members govern solely on their religious values.

Unlike a great deal of the actual members, the people who are citizens of this state, Mormon legislatures increasingly act as moral crusaders. It's appalling, especially from the perspective of a non-Mormon, because I believe that value goes against what makes this country great - the ability to separate church & state. It also gives one religion far more influence over issues than you rarely see in other states where one faith is predominant (my guess is that the Catholic Church has little sway within the halls of the Massachusetts and Rhode Island capitol buildings).

Now that may sound like a divisive viewpoint, but I want to be clear that this view isn't of the LDS Church or a majority of its practicing members. I feel, on the whole, Utah Mormons buy into the idea of 'live and let live' (there will always be individuals who don't, though, like that Utah County Mom who decided to buy out PacSun because of a t-shirt she deemed sexually offensive) - but our legislature certainly doesn't. That's problematic, especially for a governing body whose influence at the state level impacts Mormons and non-Mormons alike.

I know a great deal of Mormons who are insulted by the way our legislature acts. But no one ever holds 'em accountable for their actions. Look at Senator Chris Buttars, a bigot on racial and sexual orientation issues, who only managed to leave office not because of his bigoted and hateful statements, but because he fell ill and couldn't run for reelection.

We are our own worst enemy. We enable the legislature and then complain when they incompetently run the state.
     
     
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I always liked the Bennion building. It's a shame that it's just about gone. I was hoping they would add a skyrise on top of the building, like the Hearst Building in NYC.

     
     
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stayinginformed, building plans are a requirement when applying for a building permit but they would only be online if the applicant submitted digital copies rather than paper copies. You would be surprised how many projects come in on paper. I can tell you for the Citifront project that the two last buildings will be identical to the buildings constructed to the south and west.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2014, 11:54 PM
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Looks like crews are in full swing now. This development is well underway.
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There have been no building permits applied for at the Shilo Inn site so there definitely not starting in the next few weeks.
Thanks, UTPlanner!
     
     
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