Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3 - Page 330

scottharding · #**6581** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 4:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by jimmycdii

That development in Phllly is really fascinating. Maybe I missed this, but does anyone know why the church is doing it? My impression was that most of the church's business enterprises at least ostensibly filled some church objective, but that doesn't see to as clearly be the case here. Any thoughts?

Because they've already made sure that all the needy on the planet are fed and clothed, all the shelters are empty, and all the people working at Deseret Industries and cleaning chapels have adequate wages and benefits. So since all those problems are solved, the "church" decided now would be a good time to pursue some for-profit ventures, that will, I don't doubt, not line anyone's pockets, but will instead be redistributed back to the tithe payers.

jtrent77 · #**6582** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 4:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by scottharding

Because they've already made sure that all the needy on the planet are fed and clothed, all the shelters are empty, and all the people working at Deseret Industries and cleaning chapels have adequate wages and benefits. So since all those problems are solved, the "church" decided now would be a good time to pursue some for-profit ventures, that will, I don't doubt, not line anyone's pockets, but will instead be redistributed back to the tithe payers.

You really want to destroy another thread?

scottharding · #**6583** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 5:15 PM**

I don't recall ever destroying a thread.

EPdesign · #**6584** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 5:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wasatch_One

This doesnt have anything to do with SLC itself, but kind of due to Property Reserve Inc building it. But did anyone see this (or am I just late to the party in learning about it?

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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20140213_Mormons_to_build_32-story_tower_in_Center_City.html

Wow. That is a good looking tower. as for vertical forest...Those are pretty cool as well.

SLC Projects · #**6585** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 5:18 PM**

I would like to see the Property reserve develop somthing like 99 west down in Provo by the new temple.

jtrent77 · #**6586** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 5:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by scottharding

I don't recall ever destroying a thread.

It wasn't aimed at YOU destroying threads, it was aimed at PEOPLE destroying threads because they start arguing about a predominant religion in Utah. There have already been many a post and quite a few threads closed because someone has to throw in their edgy remark and then people go and do it again. Please let's not rehash it over and over again even if you haven't had your chance to say your complaints.

delts145 · #**6587** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 5:24 PM**

Wow, Scott I would never have guessed you would have such a view on this matter, but that's okay. Let's just clear a few things up. First, as Future Mayor correctly surmised, the LDS Church has every right to protect the current development of the Temple Grounds next door. Next, the city of Philadelphia has been extremely excited, positive, cooperative and gracious regarding the LDS Church's help in further securing the recovery and redevelopment of this rather fragile area. Next and it's important to remember, these type of projects typically come to fruition through the generous donation of wealthy private benefactors. In fact, this is almost always the case. The Temple itself, it's surrounding Campus including this multi-purpose high-rise, is being funded in great part if not wholly by private donors. Often, certain individuals or a family will approach the Church requesting help in targeting a particular project or area, which they are interested in. There are innumerable projects throughout Downtown SLC that I would want to fund, if I were able. The LDS Church would be a natural to approach for example on something dealing with the large parking lots on So. Temple, or perhaps the former Holding block, etc. Perhaps, some of you would be interested to know that the LDS Church rather indirectly had a lot to do with the turn around of Time Square. What once had become a pretty notorious address for porn shops, prostitutes and every piece of smut that goes with it, was turned around dramatically by Mr. Marriott and his aggressive investment in large property holdings throughout the neighborhood.

Sometimes, it is only appropriate to name a building after a particular individual donor. I was pleasantly surprised to discover, after working with a certain individual on the inside of these matters, that a great deal of these projects are funded entirely upon the insistence of anonymity by the donors.

There will come a day in the not too distant future when the expansion of the LDS Campus, between 300 W. and W. Temple will rise to the top of priorities. At that time there will be a list of those individuals, who are ready and waiting to generously donate to the development of the LDS Business College, the BYU Salt Lake Campus, a probable new office tower etc. I would love to be of the means to contribute to that development. I'm sorry if that would offend some of you, but it is my right to invest in my beloved Salt Lake in any and every way I would see fit.

jimmycdii · #**6588** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 5:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by SLC Projects

I would like to see the Property reserve develop somthing like 99 west down in Provo by the new temple.

I would also love to see that.

scottharding · #**6589** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 5:40 PM**

I'm going to take issue with that. With all due respect (sincerely) my view isn't narrow just because it's different than yours. It is a justified and informed opinion. My comment was also in response to a forumer asking specifically for people's thoughts, which is likely to elicit a number of differing opinions, just as we see when someone posts an architectural rendering. Perhaps it was unrelated to development, but then so is posting what the church is doing in Philadelphia on a Salt Lake development thread.
We had some people throw hissy fits a few pages back when we started to discuss the prospect of gay marriage in Utah. It could be justified as related to development here, but the loud voices railed against it being discussed here. It would have been easy for those who were offended by it to ignore it, but they didn't. It goes both ways. Now I'm a loud voice. This is not related to development in Salt Lake, and I'd prefer it were discussed elsewhere.

delts145 · #**6590** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 5:47 PM**

Scott, while you were writing your response, I added to, edited, and also deleted the word narrow, my apologies. You remain a favorite forumer, and there's no reason the topic can't be discussed respectfully by all. Respectfully, being the key word here.

delts145 · #**6591** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 5:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by SLC Projects

I would like to see the Property reserve develop somthing like 99 west down in Provo by the new temple.

Me too Projects.

Future Mayor · #**6592** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 6:43 PM**

Scott makes a good point. While it's a Utah Company it is happening in Philadelphia and really there is no need for it to be discussed here. I could see it being posted if the forumer posting it were to simply say, "why can't we get something like this in SLC, that's being built by a SLC company" the posting it because it's a cool tower similar to the Portland Towers that were posted, is completely understandable. Since we already have one similar I guess it could have simply been stated "Look what PRI is building in Philly, it's very similar to 99 West."

So unless we're asking opinions about what other Utah based developers are building in other cities, I don't see the need for the asking opinion part of the post.

UTPlanner · #**6593** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 6:54 PM**

I find the LDS Church development in Philly to be interesting and I'm glad somebody posted something about it. I don't think that it should be up to one or two people to decide what is "relevant". If you don't find something relevant, is it too hard to ignore it? I certainly don't find every post on here to be relevant or interesting so I just skim through things. I'm always suprised that simple posts can cause so much controversy but such is life when posting on a forum with near complete anonymity.

scottharding · #**6594** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 6:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by delts145

Scott, while you were writing your response, I added to, edited, and also deleted the word narrow, my apologies. You remain a favorite forumer, and there's no reason the topic can't be discussed respectfully by all. Respectfully, being the key word here.

Ah, yes, I see. Thank you Delts. You've always been great at keeping things cool here on the forum, which is why I really do mean it when I offer my respect. I was quite hasty myself in my response. I'll join you on the high road.

EPdesign · #**6595** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 6:57 PM**

It might just be me, but I think there is something really epic about buildings being built next to the freeway. I really like it especially in cities like Los Angeles and Las Vegas..Well..I like it except for the parking structures

I know there is rail lines that might prohibit such development as well as zoning but I even like the apartment buildings that have gone up here. Now if they could do something about that ugly Haunted factory it would be awesome.

scottharding · #**6596** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 6:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by UTPlanner

I find the LDS Church development in Philly to be interesting and I'm glad somebody posted something about it. I don't think that it should be up to one or two people to decide what is "relevant". If you don't find something relevant, is it too hard to ignore it? I certainly don't find every post on here to be relevant or interesting so I just skim through things. I'm always suprised that simple posts can cause so much controversy but such is life when posting on a forum with near complete anonymity.

In truth, I completely agree with you, UTPlanner. I just wonder why this is the case now and not previously when some of us were really excited about a change in policy here in Utah.

Plaid Shirts · #**6597** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 7:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by EPdesign

It might just be me, but I think there is something really epic about buildings being built next to the freeway. I really like it especially in cities like Los Angeles and Las Vegas..Well..I like it except for the parking structures

I know there is rail lines that might prohibit such development as well as zoning but I even like the apartment buildings that have gone up here. Now if they could do something about that ugly Haunted factory it would be awesome.

Are they tearing down that ugly factory looking thing? I sure hope so!

Future Mayor · #**6598** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 7:29 PM**

I'm guessing it will be a many years before the old cement plant is torn down and redeveloped. The Granary District is really going to have to boom before there is demand for something between I-15 and the freight/Frontrunner tracks. So I guess it's at least being used with The Fear Factory.

Plaid Shirts · #**6599** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 8:00 PM**

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/57536874-79/lake-salt-south-bakery.html.csp

Hopefully something can develop on this piece of property.

Deek1978 · #**6600** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 8:17 PM**

This might sound really stupid, so forgive me... but I've been very turned off by the Olympic Games this year. I also just ran across this article: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/russia-s-forgotten-city-of-the-sochi-games-192622719.html?vp=1

Now I'm thinking that instead of Salt Lake City bidding for the Olympics, perhaps St. George should. All of the venues will be just as close as they are to Sochi.