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is that 1800ft the tall of the roof ??
     
     
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is that 1800ft the tall of the roof ??
I think to the spire judging from the other buildings, maybe 1500 or so to the roof.

Would be an amazing building nonetheless
     
     
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is that 1800ft the tall of the roof ??
That plan is for "108 stories or about 1,800+/-Feet". No spire is taken into account, though the building clearly has one.
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This was Sherwood Equities plan for an office tower on the site. Other plans for a hotel were never revealed.





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Sherwood Equities has revealed development plans for two parcels of land within the much-talked-about Hudson Yards section of Manhattan.

The firm will build a multi-family property on one of the sites--on 10th Ave. between 35th and 36th Streets. The project will contain 200 rental apartments housed in a 35-story tower.

The other parcel, located on the west side of 10th Ave. between 34th and 35th Streets, will house either a 2,500-room hotel or a 2.5 million-square-foot office complex, complete with parking facilities.

Katz said that both the hotel and the office options for the 34th St. site had distinct advantages. He noted that the hotel would benefit from the large number of rooms it could contain, as well as its proximity to the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center. An office, meanwhile, could take advantage of the overall development of the area and the increasing number of companies that would likely want to establish a footprint in the area.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2014, 11:29 AM
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I've been thinking about what they would call such a building, but Hudson Spire seems to have a nice ring to it. Nothing too complicated.
I'm not concerned about the wacky design presented, its just an idea. But imagine if it actually tapered into a spire, something similar to one of the earlier WTC proposals...


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I've been thinking about what they would call such a building, but Hudson Spire seems to have a nice ring to it. Nothing too complicated.
Hudson Spire is a great name. Sounds classy, strong, timeless.
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I would not mind at all if they just went ahead and built the Chicago Spire here. And they'd just need to change one word in the name.
     
     
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I would not mind at all if they just went ahead and built the Chicago Spire here. And they'd just need to change one word in the name.
that would be perfect. no gross pole sticking out of it.
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I would not mind at all if they just went ahead and built the Chicago Spire here. And they'd just need to change one word in the name.
That's not going to happen, so let's not get wrapped up in that. The discussion for that spire is over there.
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I think that it ishould be right to change the title : 1800 feet / 108 floors !!!!
     
     
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I think that it ishould be right to change the title : 1800 feet / 108 floors !!!!
This proposal isn't real, so no.
     
     
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This proposal isn't real, so no.
Says who? Why is there a thread on it in the first place then?
     
     
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This proposal isn't real, so no.
OK, but if exists a thread, I think that also the title should be correct : http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...lest_tower.php
     
     
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Says who? Why is there a thread on it in the first place then?
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OK, but if exists a thread, I think that also the title should be correct : http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...lest_tower.php

It seems you people don't bother to read, so I don't know why I'm even saying this (again), but here it is : We don't know how tall the tower that gets built here will be or how many floors it will have because it depends on the developer.
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It seems you people don't bother to read, so I don't know why I'm even saying this (again), but here it is : We don't know how tall the tower that gets built here will be or how many floors it will have because it depends on the developer.
I never implied otherwise, I was stating that it was a real proposal even though it probably won't get built in its current 1800 foot form.
     
     
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We don't know how tall the tower that gets built here will be or how many floors it will have because it depends on the developer.
...or the tower may not be build at all. The seller wants to sell this lot for max profit so it advertises it as a "potential" for super tall. But it will be up to the buyer to decide what to build. He can build 2 smaller towers instead of super tall one. It will probably be less expensive. Everything is possible until the new developer declares plans for this site.
     
     
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It seems you people don't bother to read, so I don't know why I'm even saying this (again), but here it is : We don't know how tall the tower that gets built here will be or how many floors it will have because it depends on the developer.
I'm reading, and If i am correct this is just advertisement/placeholders for the site just to get interest up about the "Possible new tallest for NYC" there is no official height or design yet because it has yet to be in thought up by the developer and his architects.
Right?
PS. I forget, but is the site bought already or not?
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...or the tower may not be build at all. The seller wants to sell this lot for max profit so it advertises it as a "potential" for super tall. But it will be up to the buyer to decide what to build. He can build 2 smaller towers instead of super tall one. It will probably be less expensive. Everything is possible until the new developer declares plans for this site.
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I'm reading, and If i am correct this is just advertisement/placeholders for the site just to get interest up about the "Possible new tallest for NYC" there is no official height or design yet because it has yet to be in thought up by the developer and his architects.
Right?
PS. I forget, but is the site bought already or not?

No, the site is being marketed to people interested in building a skyscraper that will be the tallest in the City, or the hemisphere, making it one of the tallest in the world. They are dangling that carrot out there because finding such a site is not easy in Manhattan, and can often take years. The Hudson Yards area itself has been hot, even before Related got to work on it's complex, so getting interest in the site wasn't going to be a problem. This is indeed a rare opportunity to get in on the ground floor. Basically, it's being marketed as an existing building in the form of a proposal.



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.....Rarely does an opportunity become available to build a city’s tallest tower, especially in New York City, which is known for its iconic buildings. Massey Knakal has been exclusively retained to sell this Hudson Boulevard facing site at 435 Tenth Avenue, running block-through from 501-507 West 34th Street to 510-528 West 35th Street. Dubbed as “The Hudson Spire,” it could one day become the tallest building in the United States surpassing One World Trade Center

.....Hudson Yards has already established itself as a highly sought after location for office tenants who desire to be in state of the art space amongst a well thought out urban plan. Coach purchased a 740,000 SF condo in Related Company’s first tower, currently rising on West 30th Street. L’Oréal SA, the Paris based cosmetic company, followed suit with a lease of 402,000 square feet. SAP AG also leased 115,000 SF in the top tower. Most recently, Time Warner has announced it will move its 5,000 employees into 30 Hudson, which will be Related Company’s tallest tower at the southwest corner of Tenth Avenue and West 33rd Street. The tower will rise 80 stories to 1,227 feet. Time Warner will ultimately own 40% of this building. Clearly, there is critical mass for cutting edge tenants in the area.

Business Insider ranked New York City the top city for US tourism. Therefore, it is surprising to know that New York City does not even appear on the Top 50 list of largest hotels in the world. Besides the massive Casino & Resort Hotels in Las Vegas and Macau, several other global cities offer mega hotels to appeal to tenants and business travelers. Examples include the 7,500 room Izmailovo Hotel in Moscow and the 3,680 room Shinagawa Prince Hotel in Tokyo. Even Chicago’s 2,020 room Hyatt Regency is larger than any of New York City’s hotels. To date, there are only 90,000 hotel rooms in New York City. Hudson Yards will soon help bolster the New York City hotel presence.

Observation decks will also be a centerpiece to Hudson Yards. They are big business and an enormous profit center for the buildings they serve around the world. One World Trade Center recently announced that Legends, a partnership including the New York Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys, leased the building’s 100th floor for $875 million dollars over 15 years. The Empire State building provides insight into the success of observation decks with their Public Offering. Their observation decks are on the 86th floor, at 1,050 feet high, and 102nd floor, at 1,250 feet high. It attracts four million visitors per year. Their estimated revenue for this space is about $85 million per year, which is almost 40% of the 2.7 million SF tower’s revenue. Attendance there is also on an upswing, rising an average of 16.4% per year from 2000 to 2011. Ticket prices start at $27 and increase by $17 to see the 102nd floor.

Finally, Related Company’s observation deck will be the highest to date. If a developer looked to add an observation deck at The Hudson Spire, they would likely need a special permit to add above the residential portion. If successful, the Hudson Spire’s observation deck, at close to 1,800 feet, would be the highest in New York City, making it a destination for tourists

It's enticing enough to get a site up....
http://www.thehudsonspire.com/


I don't know whether Sherwood Equities would stay on as a partner, adding their half of development rights to the project, or sell off to the same buyer (they hadn't decided). But we would likely see a larger tower on site if that were the case.
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2014, 4:01 PM
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No, it is not enticing enough to get a site up, it is a simple marketing ploy.

The idea that this site will rise 1,800' is ludicrous. It only has 1.2 MSF -- less than Nordstrom Tower, more than One57, but likely not enough to justify anything above 1,200'. If that.
     
     
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The idea that this site will rise 1,800' is ludicrous. It only has 1.2 MSF -- less than Nordstrom Tower, more than One57, but likely not enough to justify anything above 1,200'. If that.
The Nordstrom Tower site will have a gigantic base with a big department store, and is a fat tower overall. It's hardly representative of the city's planned supertalls.

432 Park, 111 W. 57th and all the possible rest along the 57th Street corridor are all not even half of 1.2 million square feet. Some are not even 1/4 of that developable floor area.

In other words, with 1.2 million square feet, you have absolutely huge flexibility to build something extremely tall, if you chose to. Even half that square feet could easily deliver an 1,800 square foot tower if the numbers worked.
     
     
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