The Great Canadian Skyline Thread! II - Page 427

Chadillaccc · #**8521** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 9:04 PM**

Actually, Calgary's is wider in both East-West and North-South.

Vancouver 2.5 km by 1.5 km
Calgary is 3 km by 2.5 km

Vancouver's is just much denser with residential towers. By the way, I'm not hating on Van, with the natural setting included, it's my 2nd favorite skyline in the country, without it, it's still my 3rd. No disrespect intended. The reason it is smaller is because 95% of the skyline is confined to the downtown peninsula, with only a smattering of towers along Broadway across False Creek. Just geographic constraints that actually work in Vancouver's favour as far as density and livability goes.

middeljohn · #**8522** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 9:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Actually, Calgary's is wider in both East-West and North-South.

Vancouver 2.5 km by 1.5 km
Calgary is 3 km by 2.5 km

Vancouver's is just much denser with residential towers. By the way, I'm not hating on Van, with the natural setting included, it's my 2nd favorite skyline in the country, without it, it's still my 3rd. No disrespect intended. The reason it is smaller is because 95% of the skyline is confined to the downtown peninsula, with only a smattering of towers along Broadway across False Creek. Just geographic constraints that actually work in Vancouver's favour as far as density and livability goes.

I have my suspicions about that. What criteria did you use to get those distances? ie. what's an allowable distance between high rise buildings to be included as part of the skyline?

LeftCoaster · #**8523** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 9:13 PM**

Calgary's skyline is actually quite linear and more rectangular, whereas Vancouver's is more circular so that isn't terribly off pace. The big difference is that Vans looks very long from every angle while Calgary's looks long from some and shorter from others.That said 4th to 14th is 2.9 km whereas Denman to Main is about 3.4 km both of which I would consider a fair measure of skyline length, so its certainly in the same ballpark.

There are certainly a big 4 skylines, no question, but lets leave it at that, we don't need to amend the meaning of a well used phrase to make it work. And we have all seen the arguments before over who likes which skyline more so lets just not get into that can of worms.

middeljohn · #**8524** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 9:20 PM**

Are there maps of cities with a scale that show the locations of all buildings over 12 storeys?

kw5150 · #**8525** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 9:32 PM**

Oh no.......were going here again......lol

middeljohn, someone already did a bunch of these skyline comparisons....maybe they can dig them up for you.

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Are there maps of cities with a scale that show the locations of all buildings over 12 storeys?

LeftCoaster · #**8526** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 9:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by middeljohn

Are there maps of cities with a scale that show the locations of all buildings over 12 storeys?

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/maps/?cityID=1

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/maps/?cityID=3

kw5150 · #**8527** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 9:33 PM**

Calgary's skyline, if you include the beltline is more like a big square.

No intentions of going against what you said, but most people leave the beltline out.

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Calgary's skyline is actually quite linear and more rectangular, whereas Vancouver's is more circular so that isn't terribly off pace. The big difference is that Vans looks very long from every angle while Calgary's looks long from some and shorter from others.That said 4th to 14th is 2.9 km whereas Denman to Main is about 3.4 km both of which I would consider a fair measure of skyline length, so its certainly in the same ballpark.

There are certainly a big 4 skylines, no question, but lets leave it at that, we don't need to amend the meaning of a well used phrase to make it work. And we have all seen the arguments before over who likes which skyline more so lets just not get into that can of worms.

LeftCoaster · #**8528** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 9:35 PM**

I certainly wasn't, beltline is very much a part of the skyline.

It still appears much more rectangular though, as the height is so disparate from the core whereas Vancouver's is much more even throughout.

Using this tool I get a measurement of 3.95km E/W and 3.75km N/S for Vancouver's skyline and 2.92km E/W and 1.83km N/S for Calgary
http://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm

middeljohn · #**8529** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 9:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/maps/?cityID=1

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/maps/?cityID=3

Gigitty gigitty

Thanks LC!

niwell · #**8530** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 9:44 PM**

3km by 2.5km is a very generous definition of the skyline for Calgary. I'd say max 1.5km N-S, which includes most of the beltline and about 2.5km E-W. Which is still quite large.

Not as familiar with where Vancouver begins and ends.

Chadillaccc · #**8531** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 10:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by niwell

3km by 2.5km is a very generous definition of the skyline for Calgary. I'd say max 1.5km N-S, which includes most of the beltline and about 2.5km E-W. Which is still quite large.

Not as familiar with where Vancouver begins and ends.

How do you figure?

The distance between 14th Street SW and 6 Street SE is over 3 KM, and the distance between Eau Claire Market and 25 Avenue SW is 2.4 KM... how is that overly generous? The Mission skyline shouldn't be excluded just because it's separated by 3 blocks, especially if Vancouver's Broadway and SE False Creek skyline isn't excluded. Even still, Eau Claire to 17th Ave is 1.6 km.

Calgary skyscrapers by Chadillaccc, on Flickr

GreaterMontréal · #**8532** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 10:04 PM**

downtown Montréal 5 km by 2.5km

LeftCoaster · #**8533** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 10:07 PM**

^^Wut?

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

The distance between 14th Street SW and 6 Street SE is over 3 KM, and the distance between Eau Claire Market and 25 Avenue SW is 2.4 KM... how is that overly generous? The Mission skyline shouldn't be excluded just because it's separated by 3 blocks, especially if Vancouver's Broadway and SE False Creek skyline isn't excluded.

25th Ave? I was trying to support you before, but there's no way that's skyline.

Even if you were including that, which I doubt many will agree with, you included that then didn't include Broadway in Vancouver so you were skewing your methodology to further your claim. I at least tried to be honest with my numbers.

Not to mention Broadway is more comparable to the beltline than the 5 12 storey buildings that comprise the mission.

Chadillaccc · #**8534** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 10:10 PM**

You know... you're right. I must be blind. Just 9 towers over 4 square blocks with 1 UC... definitely not a skyline.

Calgary's Mission district by Surrealplaces, on Flickr

Calgary summer evening by Surrealplaces, on Flickr

LeftCoaster · #**8535** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 10:13 PM**

Neat, now show me a picture where that looks like it is part of the Calgary skyline...

Chadillaccc · #**8536** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 10:18 PM**

Why do you need to be such a rude pedant about this? Several of the towers in the first picture are clearly Beltline towers. Hence "Centre 15" meaning on 15th Avenue, Hillsborough Tower, TGS Place, and the Cathedral that's between 17th and 18th, among others. There's never any changing your mind when it comes to Calgary anyway. It always has to be the contrary, something is never right. I'm done with this conversation, proof is proof, and I've provided more than enough examples.

LeftCoaster · #**8537** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 10:24 PM**

I'm a rude pedant? You're the one who just HAD to comment after a nice picture of Vancouver to assert that there should be a big 4. You're the one who asserted that the Calgary skyline was longer in every measurement but I'm the rude pedant??

In my first response you'll notice that I said they were both quite comparable and tried to be quite diplomatic about it. You pressed the topic and made it quite clear that you skewed the statistics from the start to promote your agenda.

All I did was correct some misinformation, something you so often often do when Calgary is concerned.

Is that only an acceptable action when it comes to promoting Calgary?

Chadillaccc · #**8538** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 10:28 PM**

Some beautiful Calgary shots from around the net...

Sundown Calgary - HDR by mokastet, on Flickr

The Sky of the West by Craignos, on Flickr

An empty Memorial Trail by kanook, on Flickr

kw5150 · #**8539** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 10:29 PM**

This is all my fault!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I'm a rude pedant? You're the one who just HAD to comment after a nice picture of Vancouver to assert that there should be a big 4. You're the one who asserted that the Calgary skyline was longer in every measurement but I'm the rude pedant??

In my first response you'll notice that I said they were both quite comparable and tried to be quite diplomatic about it. You pressed the topic and made it quite clear that you skewed the statistics from the start to promote your agenda.

All I did was correct some misinformation, something you so often often do when Calgary is concerned.

Is that only an acceptable action when it comes to promoting Calgary?

Doug_Cgy · #**8540** Posted **Feb 11, 2014, 10:34 PM**

As far as I'm concerned there's a "Big 2" in Canada, and that BARELY includes Montreal. Vancouver is too far off, population wise, to be lumped in with Toronto, IMO.

Toronto, to me, is the only city in Canada that truly feels BIG. Doesn't take away from how great any other city in the country is though. I'm incredibly happy with Calgary in it's current form/size and don't feel we're any better or worse off from being part of a "big" category or not.