YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[spm2013]

Moving sidewalks for the win

[rsxstock]

i agree location is quite poor. they should also at least have some covering like what the seattle premium outlet has. this being vancouver... how annoying would it be to open and close your umbrella for every store

[city guy]

I can't believe what a kitschy piece of design this is going to be…and it will be the gateway element to the airport coming off the Arthur Lang!…Why don't we just build sleeping beauty's castle instead? Put this next to the casino project and you have an embarrassing portrayal of our region as a goofy theme-park

[city guy]

Originally Posted by city guy

I can't believe what a kitschy piece of design this is going to be…and it will be the gateway element to the airport coming off the Arthur Lang!…Why don't we just build sleeping beauty's castle instead? Put this next to the casino project and you have an embarrassing portrayal of our region as a goofy theme-park

moreover, with all the endless rhetoric which floats around our region as an epicenter of sustainability and this mess of architecture isn't even accessible to transit

[Infrequent Poster]

Originally Posted by rsxstock

i agree location is quite poor. they should also at least have some covering like what the seattle premium outlet has. this being vancouver... how annoying would it be to open and close your umbrella for every store

I don't use an umbrella ever, (but I have opened and closed one before) is it really that annoying to open and close one? Would you choose to shop somewhere else because you had to open and close your umbrella a couple of times?

[spm2013]

So we've established it's around 200m from the Skytrain station to the entrance but somehow it's still not accessible to public transit?

[Infrequent Poster]

Its 200m.... this is probably going to take almost 90 seconds to walk, clearly this is not accessible to transit.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by lightrail

This is terrible. Designed once again with the car in mind, no consideration for transit. Why put the a massive parking lot between the mall and the transit station? There isn't even a dedicated walking route - transit passengers have to find their way across a parking lot.

And when they leave the mall, they get to pay the $5 airport surcharge on the transit ticket - yet parking will be free.

This development is badly located and will not do anything to enhance the region at all - it's a step backwards - shame on the airport authority.

I forgot about the surcharge, that will be the transit dealbreaker for this mall.

Anyone know what they are doing do the overpass on Templeton over the tracks? Looks like some major work.

[memememe76]

Wasn't the Skytrain ride between airport and mall going to be free?

If that is the case, then I would tell friends/family not from the Lower Mainland to take the Canada Line to Templeton, and then get a ticket at that station to avoid the $5 surcharge.

And when I have to pick up people at YVR, I would park at the free parking lot and take the free ride to YVR (and back).

I am pretty sure it will take more than a minute and a half to get from the Station to the Mall. But then, Skytrain has this annoying habit of not having their Stations as near the malls as possible. Surrey Central, Brentwood, Metrotown, (at least it's covered--for now), Lougheed, Coquitlam Centre, Landsdowne, Aberdeen. Only Richmond Centre, Pacific Centre and Oakridge are really close to their stations.

[twoNeurons]

Parking being on the same side as the other parking will allow them to adjust where parking is needed. If this mall gets less car traffic, the airport can use the overflow, if it gets more, the parking can easily be expanded.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by memememe76

If that is the case, then I would tell friends/family not from the Lower Mainland to take the Canada Line to Templeton, and then get a ticket at that station to avoid the $5 surcharge.

And when I have to pick up people at YVR, I would park at the free parking lot and take the free ride to YVR (and back).

I am pretty sure it will take more than a minute and a half to get from the Station to the Mall. But then, Skytrain has this annoying habit of not having their Stations as near the malls as possible. Surrey Central, Brentwood, Metrotown, (at least it's covered--for now), Lougheed, Coquitlam Centre, Landsdowne, Aberdeen. Only Richmond Centre, Pacific Centre and Oakridge are really close to their stations.

Aberdeen will be connected to the station with the new wing opening.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Infrequent Poster

I don't use an umbrella ever, (but I have opened and closed one before) is it really that annoying to open and close one? Would you choose to shop somewhere else because you had to open and close your umbrella a couple of times?

Everyone has his/her quirks, and we should learn not to impose our own standards on others, as long as yours isn't jeopardized.

[Vin]

I kinda like the design, but agree that there should be more rain shelters. You don't want to get your Armani suit wet.

WestJet magic plane will be in YVR today, ETA 4:10 pm. Hasn't been in YVR since December 28.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by city guy

I can't believe what a kitschy piece of design this is going to be…and it will be the gateway element to the airport coming off the Arthur Lang!…Why don't we just build sleeping beauty's castle instead? Put this next to the casino project and you have an embarrassing portrayal of our region as a goofy theme-park

That thought struck me, too, when I saw the shopping centre design.
Why can't it be cool and sleek-looking?

[osirisboy]

Guys relax it's a friggin outlet mall! And for an outlet mall it looks fine.

[moosejaw]

The outlet mall in a way is kind of theatrical, maybe disney-esque.
I would imagine weather wouldn't play more of a factor than it does than walking at the mall by Queensboro bridge

[SpongeG]

it looks comparable to what they build in europe, architecture wise and it couldn't be any closer to the station - really people whining about 200m? seriously?

anyway anyone who seriously shops will drive anyway, who wants to carry a dozen bags around on the train...

[PaperTiger]

December stats are out. Looks like we just missed 18 million passangers for the year. Still a 2.1% increase over 2012.

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/December_2013_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Edit: Nevermind. I see that I missed the previous post in all the excitement over the outlet mall.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

I hope there is a good reason the site design isn't flipped with the shops closer to the train station.

Don't tell the Vancouverites but there is an airport very near the proposed shopping mall. hahaha!

The main reason for putting the retail location as far away as possible from the runway is to provide as much room as possible and have as much flexibility as possible for any future runway regulations. Toronto's 23/5 runway is dangerously close to development, if rules around runway arrest zones change, the threshold for runway 5 could get pushed farther away from the retail and warehouse district located. Vancouver cannot afford the potential for this regulatory risk.

Additional reason is that once the employee long term parking was moved to Templeton area, the employee lot was given most favoured customer status and gets to park as close to the station as possible. IIRC the templeton lot is used by Vancouver origin flight crews, currently only AC and CX have a crew base at YVR, but WS could implement a crew base at any time.